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Unread 22 Apr 2005, 19:30   #1
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Social Differences

At school, and at university, there are different social circles.

Now there's the in crowd. Those who spend a lot of time together and seem to do lots of things. They're generally seen as being 'cool'.

Now there's a group of people who instead of doing the aforementioned things spend there time posting on internet forums, spend time playing networked computer games. They're generally not as socially active, in the real world that is, than the aforementioned group.

Why do you think this is?
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Unread 22 Apr 2005, 19:40   #2
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Re: Social Differences

People are different. It probably has something to do with coincidences as well. If I had signed up for my first Planetarion account three minutes later than I did about five years ago, I probably would have gotten a planet in some other galaxy than I did. Perhaps I wouldn't have gotten as hooked as I got, and hence wouldn't be sitting here right now. If it weren't for these forums, I definitely wouldn't be have started studying English.
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Re: Social Differences

We dont have different social groups tbh, just different groups...
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Re: Social Differences

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Why do you think this is?
i don't

there are loads of cool people on here, dante is the coolest person i've ever spoken to ever. deffeh and jonny and james and rob and chris and dace and nick and tom and symm are all cool! there's alot of other cool people on here too. i can only think of one or two people who i've spoken to on here who aren't cool.

the whole idea of cool is strange anyway, i've always found pleasant, interesting and kind people cool, i don't really understand what other people think is cool.
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Unread 22 Apr 2005, 20:35   #5
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Re: Social Differences

I'm socially "cool", yet I'm also a geek and don't try to hide it.

I just make fun of myself being geeky, that's how I manage it. It's fun.
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Re: Social Differences

Some people have yet to discover Masters of Orion II.

It's not their fault.

I pity them.
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Some people have yet to discover Masters of Orion II.

It's not their fault.

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Re: Social Differences

Quite.

I can't get in to get MOO III.

Bless my pretty little head :(
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Re: Social Differences

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I'm socially "cool", yet I'm also a geek and don't try to hide it.

I just make fun of myself being geeky, that's how I manage it. It's fun.
i can wipe the floor with any upper middle class pashmina/rugby top wearing so called cool

the worry most have is money. money makes you able to sneer, nothing is beautiful when you have money, its only 'ok'

immitate my friends.

money is the magic feather that gives you the confidence to do what you where always able to do

sneer my friends, sneer. then you will find cool. power over others and all the other worthless crap you are bitter that others have and you don't.
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Re: Social Differences

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At school, and at university, there are different social circles.

Now there's the in crowd. Those who spend a lot of time together and seem to do lots of things. They're generally seen as being 'cool'.

Now there's a group of people who instead of doing the aforementioned things spend there time posting on internet forums, spend time playing networked computer games. They're generally not as socially active, in the real world that is, than the aforementioned group.

Why do you think this is?
You can cross-socialize. Just be open minded. If they're jerks and they don't want anything to do with you then you probably wouldn't enjoy hanging out with them anyway. I don't presume to know why people hang out with others, I mean I guess you can look at demographics, but there's probably more to it than that.
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honey

you're foreign

lord strike me down. but you are.

foreigners do not get 'it'
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Re: Social Differences

I`m 30 something, and still on a school leavers salary :/ I get 28 days holiday a year (excluding bank holidays and uni days off) plus a good public sector pension. I also have a crap computer ( 1.2GHZ Duron, 255Meg RAM, ROM).
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Re: Social Differences

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At school, and at university, there are different social circles.

Now there's the in crowd. Those who spend a lot of time together and seem to do lots of things. They're generally seen as being 'cool'.

Now there's a group of people who instead of doing the aforementioned things spend there time posting on internet forums, spend time playing networked computer games. They're generally not as socially active, in the real world that is, than the aforementioned group.

Why do you think this is?
Because they're spending time playing networked computer games and posting on internet forums? Sometimes there really aren't enough hours in the day. I spend a lot of time both on here and with my friends but then I don't really attend lectures so I get the time from there.
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Re: Social Differences

I think the geek / jock divide is becoming rather outdated (or changing). When I was about 12/13 playing computer games or using on-line services (BBS or Usenet or whatever) was a major sign of geekdom and that you wouldn't have sex until you were 35 (when you'd still be living at home with your parents).

A number of changes (the Playstation, low cost internet, blogging, more media coverage) means that these are no longer very elitist pursuits. Even among the girls I meet who I'd class as bimbos there's a pretty high usage of things like MSN and the like. Half the population of services like Livejournal or Myspace is girls who would have run a mile from anyone who said they used the internet ten years or so ago.

Also the lonely geek isn't necessarily a particularly accurate stereotype. Most of the geeky people I know (or people who do geeky things) end up socialising all the time, if only because it's pretty hard to do D&D or LAN events by yourself. They may go down the pub less (although even that's debatable) but that doesn't mean they don't socialise.

I think at school (or in smaller universities perhaps) you just have a smallish population to draw potential friends from and so if you're into something more off-beat / different then you end up not knowing many people. Conversely the people who are into more mainstream / inoffensive / "normal" things will obviously find it easier. Obviously the mainstream varies from place to place, I suspect at an engineer / maths / computing dominated university then you'd be in a minority if you disliked network gaming or cartoons or whatever.
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Re: Social Differences

According to all the newspapers yesterday night that I was reading, texting on a mobile & e-mailing tempoarily knocks off 10 points off your IQ which is worse than dope which knocks off only 4. It's all apart of the infomania craze.

Here's a few questions that they asked a large no. of people (well to the best of my rememberance):

Do you drop what you're doing to read a message/an e-mail?

Do you always feel the need to check your e-mails when at work or whenever you're near a computer?

If you miss a day or more of not reading them, do you worry or wonder about what you might have been sent?


If yes to any of these, you're not classified as cool apparently.
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I studied in Switzerland for my computing degree, it was odd, there seemed to be very few obvious devides between the different social groups. The big devide were in those there to study, and those there to party etc. It was quite a shock when i took mathematics back in blighty, perhaps it because of our "richer" cultural tapestry* or just media pressure to conform to atleast one of the many social groups they mention but the divides were huge in comparison.

I'm not really one for socialising, i've never been good in those meet and greet situations. I've my fiance, childhood friends and my dog. What else could a man want for.



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Most smelly nerds are probably despised on the internet too.
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Isn't your nickname at university "Gay Tom" ? Sounds like the in crowd love you

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Re: Social Differences

The scenario you (Weeks) describe certainly doesn't apply to my 'area' and school. There's the townie/chav crowd who are the 'cool' people and then there's the people with working brain cells.

There are circles within circles. Cool people as in chavs, have their own hierarchy of sorts, based on who's the biggest loudmouthed retard, and the uncool people are generally more indivualistic. The amount of people who use the internet as regularly are limited within the non-townie group, probably due to the lack of working brain cell issue. Even within the non-townie group, there's only maybe 5 in my whole school who know enough about internet and general usage to not get laughed at on IRC or other more elitist grounds, such as here for example. Most internet users I know of see the inter simply as a method to MSN, cybering camwhores and/or try and be 'emo' with myspace/lj accounts, being all depressed and the like, if they are in the category defined as 'grungers' bythe cool people (chavs). Again the oscillating inner-circles of the outer social circles shows itself. The internet isn't really seen as a geeky thing to do as there's a lot of humour oppurtunities found throughout it, but if you're seen on MSN too much during a day, then your labelled as a no-life loser.

Of course, there's extremes of each typecasts too, nerdy-likes who just don't enjoy company of others and prefer cuddling upto their xbox etc and people fixated with looking good to others, sharpening their image with extravagant drug/alcohol use even if they don't enjoy it too much just for the sake of their image and reputation as a wild cool guy/girl.

The stereotype of needing to go out to have a life is still featured here but for the 'no lifers' it's hardly a choice, as the amount of people we(I) can bear hanging out with is far too little due to, as ****ish and arrogant as it sounds, their ****ing inadequacies.


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The scenario you (Weeks) describe certainly doesn't apply to my 'area' and school. There's the townie/chav crowd who are the 'cool' people and then there's the people with working brain cells.

Christ, I cannot wait till I get out of this shithole.
What kind of hellhole do you live in where chavs are 'cool' and not 'twats'?

You have my sympathy, wherever it is...
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Oh, they're still twats, but they're in such a high number compared to those of us who think they're twats, we're quite screwed.

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The reason chavs don't use the internet is because they are poor end of story.
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i am not really in any crowd at uni as i only do a couple of subjects .. the courses that i do is with people i know from, guess what, hockey....


tho when i am in town i appear to be 'incrowd' nowadays, which to me is that people who you absolutely no clue who they are come to you and act all popular while you really have no idea what they want from you and then they introduce you to their friends with something like 'look i know hans'

and when i am on the club there are a few people who appear to be all about hockey, just like me, and i know all them, then there are few who just play hockey and go home and i know a good bunch of them too, but most people are staying after their match .... usually ....

however, to answer your original question:

There are people with different social groups, who are by the other not seen as 'cool' or they are more seen like loners, while they are just in other groups ... and there are people with just less social groups ... who are judged, but not by me, tho it is a situation i do not prefer.
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I spend a lot of time both on here and with my friends but then I don't really attend lectures so I get the time from there.
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Generally, all people have thier stimulants. Some people are stimulated by being "cool" on an i-net forums, and some are stimulated by being "cool" socially. There is no one way to be cool. It is just minority and majority. Like here. I consider the majority of you guys "cool" in an i-net sort of way. Outsiders that do not seam with the grain of the way you guys do things, like me, are pretty uncool here. For the simple fact that the majority are i-net people (giggle). BUT, there are some "cools" that are better than other "cools", as I would much rather be cool socially, than the i-net, as the quality of girls increases by 1000%.
Some people have the capability of choosing thier cool. I can hang with my friends and have fun allday, AND I can spend days playing games on the inet, and saying stupid phrases like "1337" an "*****". Others don't have a choice of thier "cool" group. Poor is NOT an excuse, broke people can hang out also. I have seen it. But say problems at home, or the environment you were raised in. You have no choice but to be a certain way so thus unable to pick what you want to do. The only way that a person could be uncool is if, you had no way of entertaining yourself. No stimulation at all. Just dull. Aperson who can't interact with anyone or anything in anyway. i consider that an uncool person.
Also, i-net geeks tend to be smarter than socially active people anyway. They just don't know how to make it work for them socially so they need help. Great example? Microsoft. Bill Gates, and that other guy who did all of the work.
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You're such a trend-setting go-getter chika
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Thks JonnyBgood. You prove my point exactly. See guys, JonnyBGood is i-net cool, at one of the highest forms I should say, due to the fact that he has a position of authority over other i-net cool guys. thus JonnyBGood being cooler than me.
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i'd settle for anyone who was 'less shit than you'
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I'm not that cool in real life though (well I am actually but occasionally I have my pitfalls). Last night I was at a party and I completely switched off during a conversation (because some people have an amazing ability to be dull even while mildly drunk) and this incredibly hot bird I've been trying to get into for the past two weeks asked me a question which I didn't hear. I pulled out my standard "to be perfectly honest it doesn't really bother me that much" when I noticed everyone looking at me expectantly. Unfortunately this time it's pretty much sunk my ship of hope as the conversation had for some insane reason turned to this girl we all knew who'd been mugged and beaten up a few weeks before and what should happen to the guys who attacked her.

I'm not exactly rating my chances highly anymore. Seriously guys alcohol destroys your attention span.
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when you come out with such long winded drivel as you wrote a few posts ago i'm suprised you find it so easy to chat up girls........
Actually, I'm a listener. And typically, when I am at work, i post longer than any other time. Due to the fact that I have nothing better to do. I fail to see your point in any of the replies to me. Maybe I can catch it on your next attempt. Please make it clear.
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I know exactly what you were referring to. I sad I failed to see your point.

Its hard to pee in the morning because my penis is hard. You know what i am referring to in the previous sentence, but whats the point.
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Now there's the in crowd. Those who spend a lot of time together and seem to do lots of things. They're generally seen as being 'cool'.
I'm not part of either group. I'm part of the 'extreme' crowd (surfers, MTB'ers, rock climbers etc). At my uni there are people who see themselves as the in crowd, but they aren't seen as cool by anyone else but themselves. Putting effort into making yourself look cool, is totally uncool.

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i was saying how suprised i was that you can hold a girl's attention for long when you spout such malarky, having said that i'm worse
having said that, I doubt you have any girl stimulation.
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hi

i'm bisexual (all gods are to quote simon raven). this is an inclusive forum. there's lots of fags here.

do stop going on about 'gettin girls'. we already have one poster who does that. and he's in your shitness league as well. heads up demigod.

kid as a bit of a tip. stick to your whole 'spouting masses of illiterate nonsense' style. it's served you well so far. you don't need another gimmick.

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i'm bisexual (all gods are to quote simon raven). this is an inclusive forum. there's lots of fags here.

do stop going on about 'gettin girls'. we already have one poster who does that. and he's in your shitness league as well. heads up demigod.

kid as a bit of a tip. stick to your whole 'spouting masses of illiterate nonsense' style. it's served you well so far. you don't need another gimmick.

you're shit enough.
erm, I never implied that I get girls. In fact, I didn't say that phrase not once in any of my posts. I'm married, I'm getting my wife.
Now, what I did say was
"I don't hang with Ugly men. Universally they scare girls away" of something like that.
if you can't agree with that statement, maybe, just maybe, you've been scaring away the girls.
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I'm not that cool in real life though (well I am actually but occasionally I have my pitfalls). Last night I was at a party and I completely switched off during a conversation (because some people have an amazing ability to be dull even while mildly drunk) and this incredibly hot bird I've been trying to get into for the past two weeks asked me a question which I didn't hear. I pulled out my standard "to be perfectly honest it doesn't really bother me that much" when I noticed everyone looking at me expectantly. Unfortunately this time it's pretty much sunk my ship of hope as the conversation had for some insane reason turned to this girl we all knew who'd been mugged and beaten up a few weeks before and what should happen to the guys who attacked her.

I'm not exactly rating my chances highly anymore. Seriously guys alcohol destroys your attention span.
lol, i think its a problem with blokes, when I was with my gf, she would speak while I was watching the tv and id find myself sitting there going um hmmm, ye, ok, I see, good point, etc etc. Then normally about half way through she would just look at me in amazement and I would have to ask her what she just said, its a problem in blokes, a real big problem.
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I've got this weird thing where if I'm on the computer, I pretty much turn off to external things.

I picked it up from being at home in Jersey, and having the computer in the same room as the TV and the lounge etc. So if I was trying to concentrate, I'd just ignore my mum and my sisters talking.

It's got me into trouble with people (namely ex-girlfriends) though as I'll go online while they're sitting on my bed or something, and I'll just go into ignore-mode without realising it.

That's pretty funny though Jonny. Perhaps you should reconsider your "generic answer for if you don't hear what they say"?
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Just smile and nod, smile and nod, it works most of the time!
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Chika is too cool for this forum, we should ban him to stop me feeling inferior all the time.
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them and those that discoverd Masters of Orion III
see, i bought moo3, thinking it would be a nice ol' strategy funpack... but i just couldnt get into it. nothing ever seemed to HAPPEN.

bloody silly game if you ask me.

edit: to answer the actual question of this thread, i think the whole "cool" thing is becoming slightly outdated. My friends know im pretty geeky (though probably not as much as id like to be) but it doesnt mean that im not "cool" or they arent for hanging out with me. Its a hobby more than anything else, and i think we have probably advanced beyond the stage where people are ostracised for how they choose to spend their free time. Unless its something like being a conservative politician, but thats a different matter altogether.
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lol i get negative rep cos someone doesn't know who i am, what a loser

i'm kinda new to the boards as my join date suggests u anus.
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lol i get negative rep cos someone doesn't know who i am, what a loser

i'm kinda new to the boards as my join date suggests u anus.
I think they did that when they realised you were male rather than a hot female.

On topic i don't think there are "social in groups", just that there are different groups with different perceptions and views on situations which make them (un)cool.
My 2 cents.
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Chika is too cool for this forum, we should ban him to stop me feeling inferior all the time.
Hmmm, if an older account holder would have posted this, though i would have disliked it, it would have at least held some water. You on the other hand are a noob sir.
So in a political aspect, your opinion is nay. Next time you have something you want to say, pm it to a person with an older account, and let them relay it, until then. Shutup.

P.S, I don't expect you to reply for about 2 weeks or so, so I fail to see the validity of my own posting. Further more, if you are someone who is old and you returned, that only "increases" your role as insignificant, as you are forgettable
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i'm kinda new to the boards as my join date suggests u anus.

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Lol OK i'm to stop using "u" and "cos". Sure, I was a bit pissed off so I couldn't be arsed to type properly
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