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Unread 27 Apr 2012, 22:40   #1
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FAnG official Announcement

This is an official announcement the FAnG has declared war on CT. Nothing personal just missing our roids. We are pleased to be opening up the round again for more excitement and fighting. We enjoy our friendship with CT and I am sure this will enhance it and fluffle it even more. We will give CT 24 hour notice (fort) avoidance.

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Congrats Ult, just when you thought all was lost
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Re: FAnG official Announcement

For the record Fang has broken their word with CT, these are not the terms of the agreement we had with them. Secondly this is NOT what we did to them, we gave them 24 hours notice before beginning hostilities and 48 hours before ending the Fort NAP, and all of this was without having any NAP other than the fort NAP in place. Beware those who would work with Fang in the future, they do not hold to their agreements.
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For the record Fang has broken their word with CT, these are not the terms of the agreement we had with them. Secondly this is NOT what we did to them, we gave them 24 hours notice before beginning hostilities and 48 hours before ending the Fort NAP, and all of this was without having any NAP other than the fort NAP in place. Beware those who would work with Fang in the future, they do not hold to their agreements.
We werent the one getting other alliances to hit our friendly alliances.. and we werent the one that declared war on friends JUST to avoid getting inc.. So you saying we cant be trusted is a laugh.

And tbh.. did u see FAnG hc bitching on AD when you and 6 other allies hit us? no.. Grow some balls, face the inc and show that u deserve winning
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FaNG and Ultores vs CT? Now thats a powerblock

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Monroe, does this mean we cant be friends anymore? WTF!
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We werent the one getting other alliances to hit our friendly alliances.. and we werent the one that declared war on friends JUST to avoid getting inc.. So you saying we cant be trusted is a laugh.

And tbh.. did u see FAnG hc bitching on AD when you and 6 other allies hit us? no.. Grow some balls, face the inc and show that u deserve winning
3 tick notice on a Friday night is what we call a backstab. Dont make it sound better than it is... Anyway, its all part of the game. Goodluck, hope itll make the round more fun!
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3 tick notice on a Friday night is what we call a backstab. Dont make it sound better than it is... Anyway, its all part of the game. Goodluck, hope itll make the round more fun!
We never said it was better than that.. It the exact same deal we got when CT went to war with FAnG.. The only thing we were stating above was with regards to CT saying FAnG couldnt be trusted. Throwing stones in a glasshouse might be fun but usually its just stupid.
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So your position is that 3 ticks notice of cancelling a NAP is acceptable and honourable.

Our position is that people may wish to bear that in mind when considering a NAP with you in future.
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So your position is that 3 ticks notice of cancelling a NAP is acceptable and honourable.

Our position is that people may wish to bear that in mind when considering a NAP with you in future.
And people might wish to bear in mind that if they are allied to CT, CT will get other allies to hit them while you are allied, that CT will not back them when the counter block targets them and that CT will throw away its allies as soon as someone threatens to hit em..
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I'm sure they already do that - after all, "politics is politics".

(But NAP breaking is still NAP breaking).
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I'm sure they already do that - after all, "politics is politics".

(But NAP breaking is still NAP breaking).
All those 3 I mentioned can be considered backstabbing but yes NAP breaking is NAP breaking. Atleast we are ending the nap to go for #1 and get action back in the round, and not just to avoid getting inc... Either way we will see you on the battlefield so you can prove you are worthy winners and not lame fencers...
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This will prolly turn out better for the Ultores/xVx block than for any of CT/FAnG, now they can work their sh't while FAnG and CT war each other.
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If FAnG had ended the NAP in the "usual" fashion (instead of just before launching their ships) we'd have had no issue with them. As it is, we'll still enjoy the battle to the end of the round. It's just that we'll never be able to rely on the word of the FAnG HCs again - and that's sad.
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If FAnG had ended the NAP in the "usual" fashion (instead of just before launching their ships) we'd have had no issue with them. As it is, we'll still enjoy the battle to the end of the round. It's just that we'll never be able to rely on the word of the FAnG HCs again - and that's sad.
Im pretty sure every FAnG member fealt this way about CT when they dropped the nap and roided their friends, while pursuing other alliances to hit them while being naped.
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So your position is that 3 ticks notice of cancelling a NAP is acceptable and honourable.

Our position is that people may wish to bear that in mind when considering a NAP with you in future.
People who get "backstabbed" always say that: alliances will remember this for rounds to come and never trust you again.

But here's the thing: even if they do (and outside of AD, no one does), they don't care. Why? Because you don't need to trust your NAP partner in order to do business with them. Trust is only required when you're asking someone to do something that is against their self-interest, as you (I'm assuming you're in CT?) were asking of fANG: "We're first, you're second, but please don't attack us".

(I don't think there's anything morally objectionable about trying to convince others to give you free shit. If they're stupid enough to go along with it, hey, good on you, make the best of it. But don't be surprised when they turn around and kick your ass instead.)

From where I'm standing, it looks like FAng did a bit of both: they went along with you for a while, then realised they could do better, and as a result, they're dropping you.

(And again, I have no problem with an alliance recognizing it when something is not in their best interest and acting accordingly.)

If all of the above made sense to you, here's the final step: it is your own fault that you're now in the position of feeling like you got backstabbed. You should have known that agreements like this, with people who stand nothing to gain by sticking to them, are about as stable as an elephant on a unicycle. By not having that particular realization, you put faNG into a position that forced them into either telling you to **** off right away, or doing it later. They did it later.

Next time, when you want to have some NAPs, find alliances that have something to gain from them. The early round block against Ultores would be an example of a much more stable block, because everyone was afraid of Ultores and there's safety in numbers. And even if there is no one who has anything to gain by a NAP with you, all hope is not lost: offer something in return.


And here's yet another bit of mad wisdom: only a fool would expect their enemies to give them time to secure a victory.
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We werent the one getting other alliances to hit our friendly alliances.. and we werent the one that declared war on friends JUST to avoid getting inc.. So you saying we cant be trusted is a laugh.

And tbh.. did u see FAnG hc bitching on AD when you and 6 other allies hit us? no.. Grow some balls, face the inc and show that u deserve winning
I doubt you thought CT was trying to become your long term life partner when you agreed to a NAP; both alliances want to win. Doing what you can outside of the NAP to facilitate that win (trying to stymie the growth of your opponent without hitting them) seems reasonable and expected. The fact you broke a NAP you promised to keep, isn't.
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And people might wish to bear in mind that if they are allied to CT, CT will get other allies to hit them while you are allied, that CT will not back them when the counter block targets them and that CT will throw away its allies as soon as someone threatens to hit em..
I'm genuinely in the dark here but wasn't it us who were hitting ult whilst in the block with you, whilst you decided to hit others (like DFWTK and HR)?
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If i remember correct i told over 36 hours ago to GM but well more like a joke but i did tell him 24h notice and i adviced him to ground fleets should be enough no ?
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i do so enjoy CT's fail PR machine... 'you didnt give us enough time to fail at defence... we put a curse on you!!'

Face facts please.. at some point in every alliances history there has been a backstab performed by them. Everyone still works with everyone, it doesnt change anything!! People will nap and ally and war whatever suits their own intrests best... damn me Apprime is working with Ultores for most this round!!!!!!!


CT had played a good avoidance game until now, been roiding well and have some very good fleets and a lot of roids.

But now you will get pulled back in quickly because to be frank you cant defend well. Not to the level of FanG and Ultores anyway.. you never have been able to, its just a fact of PA. You and ND can get as fat as you like but when a block comes a knocking you are down on your knees very quickly.

Now FaNG and Ultores may have left it too late to catch you up... who knows at the moment but it will now be a case of 'can they reel you in?' rather than 'CT are running away with it'


Only thing im glad to see here is CT not whinging about blocks against them after being in 2 big blocks themselves for a lot of the round. Its just your turn, enjoy the attention
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Now this is a whine thread!
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CT will be third by the end of today, after all we are being hit by three main alliances.

That said, no we wont whine, we will leave that to the others, take note of what is happening and karma will kick in I am sure.

I for one will be laughing when Ult+co start hitting fang, seeing as fang have 5k+ roids, will be +15k by end of day and were always going to win.

As I pointed out last night to ult and co, fang would have won this round by carrying on (ct were hitting ult and fang were getting fat on smaller alliances).

But by declaring war on CT, FaNG have unlocked the door and left it wide open for Ult to claim another win.

CT will fall very quickly, fang will become next target and ult are likely crying in the corner, laughing at this epicfai

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??????

Your gonna lose 30 million score today?? or are you talking roids... which means your gonna lose 20,000 of this attack... almost 22% of your total...


Please explain

Btw isnt this just the karma coming back to hit CT after their 850 ticks of being in other blocks either hitting Ult or FanG?? Just saying...
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??????

Your gonna lose 30 million score today?? or are you talking roids... which means your gonna lose 20,000 of this attack... almost 22% of your total...


Please explain
Well atm, it is 95k v 90k in fangs favour.
They only have to take 7.5k off us to have 102500 and we will have 82500. That is +20k.
Simple maths

I am expecting us to lose in the region of 15k roids and to gain approx 3k from the few attacks sent out, showing a loss of 12k roids.



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Btw isnt this just the karma coming back to hit CT after their 850 ticks of being in other blocks either hitting Ult or FanG?? Just saying...
I have no problem with blocks attacking us (though I do find it mildly amusing that we have had to listen to Ult/xVx and co laughing at CT for blocking previously, such as last round, and 'not having the skill to take on Ult' that as soon as Ult are the ones in third place, they block. How many times did Ult and co state 'don't block, just get better'. I just find it ironic ).

My problem is with FaNG waiting for us to target pick then dropping nap and launching pretty much the same tick (we had PL on us from FaNG when the post declaring war was posted).
And that is where Karma will occur
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If you hadn't NAP'd with FAnG the 2nd time you wouldn't be receiving incs at this stage of the game. hitting ultores for 90% of the round will make ultores want to hit you back, fang are just tagging along for easy roids as usual
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Well, like I told eskero, that is a compliment. CT rarely take easy roids and hit the biggest threat.

I still believe Ult will win this round, fang think easy roids will win it for them but Ult wont give them the free ride they are expecting if it stands in the way of them winning
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Well atm, it is 95k v 90k in fangs favour.
They only have to take 7.5k off us to have 102500 and we will have 82500. That is +20k.
Simple maths

I am expecting us to lose in the region of 15k roids and to gain approx 3k from the few attacks sent out, showing a loss of 12k roids.

You said 3rd tho mate... that means you would need to be behind Ultores aswell.. thats a hell of a roid drop for 1 night of incs...
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You said 3rd tho mate... that means you would need to be behind Ultores aswell.. thats a hell of a roid drop for 1 night of incs...
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If we lose the 12k I am expecting, then ult only need to gain 8k
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So Ult need to gain 8k of the 12k your expecting to lose but your expecting FanG to take 7.5k... thats 15.5k of 12k... that doesnt add up.. its simple maths
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it does if you include the ships flying at non-ct planets
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Yet Nitros its now CT getting whooped after all the Ult/FanG propaganda ... who is on the rise and who is on the decline with 300 ticks to go??
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I'm not sure what you're getting at, other than stating the obvious.
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Forest we were never going to catch up by purely outroiding CT, it was either hit them and fight for #1 or idle to #2. We chose to fight, as we have done all round. Ult has had blocks on them, FAnG has had blocks on them and now its CT's turn. If they thought they could go a round with incomming they were mistaken, this is a wargame. In my eyes a worthy winner has managed to face off big incs and not just fence through the round. We are giving CT the opportunity to show they are worthy winners. CT portraying this as a backstab is I guess fair in their eyes, tho its the exact same way we felt when CT backstabbed us, and im assuming its the way Ultores felt when CT backstabbed them. The only difference is that neither Ultores nor FAnG went whining on AD about it. So yes you are correct when u talked about karma.
So Ill say it again, stop whining, grow some balls and fight to show u deserve #1.
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"Return of the Block!" and "A question about the block".
Have to say this isnt FAnG whining though
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tbh both of them just ended up as 'lets mock b-butcher' threads.

Whatever works works, who can tell what has shaped politics and popular opinion this round. Let just all enjoy CT lose a lot of roids very very quickly yeah??
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CT portraying this as a backstab is I guess fair in their eyes, tho its the exact same way we felt when CT backstabbed us, and im assuming its the way Ultores felt when CT backstabbed them. The only difference is that neither Ultores nor FAnG went whining on AD about it.
No - the only difference is that CT (always) gave fair notice when ending a NAP. FAnG now joins xVx on the list of "alliances not to be trusted".

I realise that there are several here who believe that this list means nothing but some of us (myself included) have long memories.
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@ Kaiba. I wasnt talking about what works and what doesnt. I was on about crying. Glad you dont deny it.
You're quite sad though. You shout and cry when something bad happens to you, and you actually enjoy when the same happens to someone else. Trueless annoying to watch.

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I realise that there are several here who believe that this list means nothing but some of us (myself included) have long memories.
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@ Kaiba. I wasnt talking about what works and what doesnt. I was on about crying. Glad you dont deny it.
You're quite sad though. You shout and cry when something bad happens to you, and you actually enjoy when the same happens to someone else. Trueless annoying to watch.

Thats me done, have a nice day.
The fact you take everything everyone says so seriously is probably the funniest thing to watch tbh...

Some of us just whine to stir the pot, to get debates and flames going, to entice people like you into overreacting about things and taking it all to seriously.

Ofc im going to enjoy CT's downfall, just as i enjoyed FaNGs 4 days collapse earlier in the round, just the same as FaNG and CT people enjoy Ultores losing rounds at the start. It would not be right if i didnt, so what if we come on here and cry wolf cos were bored and like to see what people say back to us, doesnt mean we are taking it seriously.... take a chillax pill please and come back
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The fact you take everything everyone says so seriously is probably the funniest thing to watch tbh...

Some of us just whine to stir the pot, to get debates and flames going, to entice people like you into overreacting about things and taking it all to seriously.

Ofc im going to enjoy CT's downfall, just as i enjoyed FaNGs 4 days collapse earlier in the round, just the same as FaNG and CT people enjoy Ultores losing rounds at the start. It would not be right if i didnt, so what if we come on here and cry wolf cos were bored and like to see what people say back to us, doesnt mean we are taking it seriously.... take a chillax pill please and come back
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But thats fine because i never intend to be.. thats the point your missing... AD is all fun and games, say something inflammatory and someone will respond in like and it goes from there
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Forest we were never going to catch up by purely outroiding CT, it was either hit them and fight for #1 or idle to #2. .
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We chose to fight, as we have done all round. Ult has had blocks on them, FAnG has had blocks on them and now its CT's turn. If they thought they could go a round with incomming they were mistaken, this is a wargame. .
I dont think anyone thought we could. Fair play by playing for the win though, I think only CT/FaNG/xVx(and apprime in old days) can make that claim out of current alliances.

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In my eyes a worthy winner has managed to face off big incs and not just fence through the round. We are giving CT the opportunity to show they are worthy winners. .
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CT portraying this as a backstab is I guess fair in their eyes, tho its the exact same way we felt when CT backstabbed us, and im assuming its the way Ultores felt when CT backstabbed them. .
It is the notice part. We gave fair notice.
You on the other hand waited till we had done tp to drop nap and set pl on us

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The only difference is that neither Ultores nor FAnG went whining on AD about it. So yes you are correct when u talked about karma.
So Ill say it again, stop whining, grow some balls and fight to show u deserve #1.
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Ofc im going to enjoy CT's downfall, just as i enjoyed FaNGs 4 days collapse earlier in the round, just the same as FaNG and CT people enjoy Ultores losing rounds at the start. It would not be right if i didnt, so what if we come on here and cry wolf cos were bored and like to see what people say back to us, doesnt mean we are taking it seriously.... take a chillax pill please and come back
I guess it is easy to laugh at others 'failures' when you have never achieved anything
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tbh both of them just ended up as 'lets mock b-butcher' threads.

Whatever works works, who can tell what has shaped politics and popular opinion this round. Let just all enjoy CT lose a lot of roids very very quickly yeah??
I think both ended up as 'mock ultores for being whine kids who cant handle others doing better than them in a fair fight.'
i feel with CT, this is a betrayal, but it is how the game works.
Im sure forest felt my worse r3 when fury/legion betrayed RB, than today.
Its nothing new, this can happend to anyone who aint as close as xvx/ultores
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Im sure forest felt my worse r3 when fury/legion betrayed RB, than today.
Its nothing new, this can happend to anyone who aint as close as xvx/ultores
Legion/Fury didn't betray us, Spinner did and so did Section

And that was months and months of work down the drain, they were proper rounds back then
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Well atm, it is 95k v 90k in fangs favour.
They only have to take 7.5k off us to have 102500 and we will have 82500. That is +20k.
Simple maths

I am expecting us to lose in the region of 15k roids and to gain approx 3k from the few attacks sent out, showing a loss of 12k roids.





I have no problem with blocks attacking us (though I do find it mildly amusing that we have had to listen to Ult/xVx and co laughing at CT for blocking previously, such as last round, and 'not having the skill to take on Ult' that as soon as Ult are the ones in third place, they block. How many times did Ult and co state 'don't block, just get better'. I just find it ironic ).

My problem is with FaNG waiting for us to target pick then dropping nap and launching pretty much the same tick (we had PL on us from FaNG when the post declaring war was posted).
And that is where Karma will occur
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