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Unread 24 Feb 2004, 12:12   #1
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There's Something About Mirium

Does Mirium fool you?

I haven't seen the show in question but a bloke I work with has and says he/she is very convincing. That certainly seems the case from what I see in the pictures. What do you reckon?
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

I would.
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

if i didn't know that she was a man then i'd say she was hot
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

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if i didn't know that she was a man then i'd say she was hot
But is (s)he now a "he" or a "she".... or an "it"?
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

it's all lies. they didn't show her penis on that "programme" did they ?
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

she doesnt have a waist and the boobs are obvious fakes but its mostly the jawline (you can kind of see it in picture 2) that makes her look a bit wrong and with out make up she isnt pretty

its funny watching pissed english blokes trying to impress her though
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

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she doesnt have a waist and the boobs are obvious fakes but its mostly the jawline (you can kind of see it in picture 2) that makes her look a bit wrong and with out make up she isnt pretty
you are jealous.

she looks hot, but it is more important what there is insight.
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

surely (s)he's adams apple in picture 2 would be the biggest give away
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facial features would make me go HMMMMMMM...
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

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But is (s)he now a "he" or a "she".... or an "it"?
A "he", and he always will be.
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

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But is (s)he now a "he" or a "she".... or an "it"?
She is pre-op.

Hormonally female, but with a willy.
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

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Re: There's Something About Mirium

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you are jealous.

she looks hot, but it is more important what there is in sight.
lol not jealous have a better body than her
though i dont tend to wear teeny clothes very much these days
and with less make up and my hair blowdried i am prettier than her too

do you think most of his hotness comes from the mini skirts and low cut tops?
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

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How do you know?
It says he's a man in the article
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

Diverting attention from the above post to avoid the forums being sucked into the gravitational field generated by madi's ego.



Edit: ****s sake couldn't you have matter three minutes you ****ing ****.
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no need to get all premenstrual
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The face is definitely masculine
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

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I was just making a 'applying feminine traits to a man' joke :|
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

Really? You see I didn't actually get that because I'm as thick as a really thick plank that was used to support sumo wrestlers during a jumping up and down after eating a lot of pie competition!
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

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But she looks like a woman, and has the physical attributes of a woman and behaves like a woman and she says that at some stage she will have the operation so she IS a woman.
Doesn't gender depend more on genetics than appearance?




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Re: There's Something About Mirium

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Not particularly, if you look at that photo of when she was younger, you still can't tell. There is always this thing where guys see an attractive transexual and go, "oh well I knew all along." There was this thing where someone said that they thought Dana International was manlike when they first saw her, and it's like, erm no.
That is a bad picture though, picture 2 you can see one big mother of an adams apple.
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Why would it?
I was asking you. Sorry for not making that clear with an extra few thousand question marks and repeated statements of "this is a question".
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Yes but if you had half the genes of a dog, plus the hormones of a dog,plus you naturally looked a hell of a lot like one, plus you acted like one, as far as I am concerned you would be a bloody dog.
Dogs and humans are 75% genetically identical

If I thought I was really a woman, but was far too ugly, does that mean I couldn't be one?
Are tomboys not real girls because they act like boys?
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Dogs and humans are 75% genetically identical

If I thought I was really a woman, but was far too ugly, does that mean I couldn't be one?
Are tomboys not real girls because they act like boys?
Stop repressing tocatta's freedom of speech with your reality-biased answers please.
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But she looks like a woman, and has the physical attributes of a woman and behaves like a woman and she says that at some stage she will have the operation so she IS a woman.
he has long hair and wears make up and has fake boobs to make him look like a woman
he is injected regularly with hormones to redistribute fat deposits and change his voice box
he tries very hard to behave like a woman but it comes over as a bit false
at some stage he might have his willy chopped off

he is a man trying very hard to look like a woman
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

btw
he is doing quite a good job of looking like a woman
there are a lot of real women out there that arent as pretty as he is
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Stop repressing tocatta's freedom of speech with your reality-biased answers please.
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Re: There's Something About Mirium

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lol not jealous have a better body than her
though i dont tend to wear teeny clothes very much these days
and with less make up and my hair blowdried i am prettier than her too

do you think most of his hotness comes from the mini skirts and low cut tops?
okay, everybody can claim to look incredible good etc.. you did that, now lets see some pictures to give your argumentation some fundament

sure, because his/her clothes accent her body, which is very well formend. but what i think is kind of more important, her/his face is fine to look at.
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So what you are saying is that genetics doesn't really count?

If you thought you were a woman but apart from that did not look, behave feminie or wish to become one physically then you would be confused. If you merely wished to dress like a woman you would be a transvestite. Similarly with Tomboys.
I'm saying genetics is pretty much the only thing that does count. Humans are different from dogs because they are genetically different. Men are different from women because they are genetically different.

You don't look at two hamsters and think "shit that male one looks and acts so like a female, it must be one".

Just out of interest how often does this happen the other way? ie women wanting to become men, as I hardly ever hear about it.
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If society treats her like a woman, and she looks like a woman and behaves like awoman and wishes to at some stage alter her body to finally become a woman physically then she is a woman.
In your opinion, which, incidentally, most sane people would disagree with.

But if you want to think that biological and genetic sex is non-existent, and that physical characteristics and the attitudes of society are all that matter in determining the sex of an individual, by all means go right ahead.
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Maybe if we all believe that tocatta is a woman then he'll become one! Assuming we manage to convince him he wants to be one himself, which considering the amount of absolute crap most believe without any real proof shouldn't be that hard.
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On the opposite note, wiggers are black people too.
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On the opposite note, wiggers are black people too.
If they have black skin and black features, yeah.
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If they have black skin and black features, yeah.
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Even if she were a women, I don't find her very appealing.
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Yeah, because black paint would you make look like a person of African descent.
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Nah, she just reminds me too much of Patty Brard - a washed out dutch celebrity that should have faded into obscurity 20 years ago.
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She's too dark for my tastes anyway. And too butch, but that's understandable.
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I'm saying genetics is pretty much the only thing that does count. Humans are different from dogs because they are genetically different. Men are different from women because they are genetically different.
Yeah, because being a different gender is just the same as being a different species, isn't it?
The two divisions are whole orders of magnitude apart from each other, and not just in terms of genetics.


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i think the discussion should shift to

do you think its funny that these guys think they are hitting on a girl
or do you think its cruel and evil
or both

(and that T&C doesnt mind which sex people are born with shouldnt really matter with anything except perhaps how comfortable you are bending over for the soap if you found yourself in the gym showers with him)
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Both. (The first is a direct consequence of the second.)
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no i am saying that some of the boys here might feel uncomfortable naked with you
though there seems to have been a lot of gayness recently so maybe not

and ofcourse it is different

a bloke in a skirt is not a woman
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Anyway, I don't see what genetics has to do with this. Maybe I'm too much of a behaviourist but if we came across a woman whose genetics were completley different but still looked/sounded/tasted/felt/etc like a woman, why would we be obliged to call it something else? Surely, for the scientists they might want a seperate term (as might the doctors if it mattered) but for vernacular use, what's the problem?
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So you don't determine an object by it's external characteristics but by it's "essence" or internal structure?
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Yeah because that's what plato was talking about, empirically discovered genetic explanations for gender.


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