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Intrepid00 · 27 Feb 2003, 13:39

Looks really neat the concept designs.

Marilyn Manson · 27 Feb 2003, 13:42

I'm surprised it was chosen, considering it was submitted by a Berlin-based architect.

Don't they have laws agaisnt nefarious individuals who associate with Germans designing buildings there?

Obviously The US hasn't quite descended to that sort of petty jingoistic level just yet.

Neferti · 27 Feb 2003, 13:43

yep

Intrepid00 · 27 Feb 2003, 13:46

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Originally posted by Marilyn Manson
I'm surprised it was chosen, considering it was submitted by a Berlin-based architect.

Don't they have laws agaisnt nefarious individuals who associate with Germans designing buildings there?

Obviously The US hasn't quite descended to that sort of petty jingoistic level just yet.

Who cares, it looks cool.

insane_in_da_membrane · 27 Feb 2003, 13:46

any links about it?

Marilyn Manson · 27 Feb 2003, 13:47

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Originally posted by insane_in_da_membrane
any links about it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2803191.stm

Intrepid00 · 27 Feb 2003, 13:48

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=3...d_Trade_Center

Dookie Velvet · 27 Feb 2003, 14:14

I wouldn't exactly call it original.

It would have been nice if we had used the fall of the WTC to put something attractive in there.

The only difference between the old and the new is that the new has curves.

Cmdr_Cyrax · 27 Feb 2003, 14:21

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Originally posted by Dookie Velvet
The only difference between the old and the new is that the new has curves.

Thats so it can deflect any incoming planes

Nusselt · 27 Feb 2003, 14:42

ye gods thats fugly. It looks all cold and futuristic. IMHO like 60s crapness. I wonder what it will look like from street level?

Scoot951 · 27 Feb 2003, 18:17

I've got to say it looks better than all of the other designs they were considering, at least.

wu_trax · 27 Feb 2003, 18:27

at least it seems to fit in new york (other than the things he build here)
some more pictures
(click on "weiter")

acousticset · 27 Feb 2003, 18:31

it looks cool

Structural Integrity · 27 Feb 2003, 19:44

I'm still wondering what that chimney thing is on the left tower.....

Nixjim · 27 Feb 2003, 20:23

It is horrendous. Who thought up such an ugly design? It seems building designs are going the way of cars, uglier every year.

Leshy · 27 Feb 2003, 20:32

At least this was the best looking design.

Nixjim · 27 Feb 2003, 20:35

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Originally posted by Leshy
At least this was the best looking design.

Yes, but I think the architects were to concerned with demonstrating thier "artistic" abilities at the expense of creating a truly beautiful building.

Scoot951 · 27 Feb 2003, 20:44

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Originally posted by Structural Integrity
I'm still wondering what that chimney thing is on the left tower.....

It's the Vertical World Gardens according to the other pics there, interesting design. Although I'm sure the main reason for it is so it can be the world's tallest building again.

27 Feb 2003, 20:49

Quote:

Originally posted by Marilyn Manson
I'm surprised it was chosen, considering it was submitted by a Berlin-based architect.

Don't they have laws agaisnt nefarious individuals who associate with Germans designing buildings there?

Obviously The US hasn't quite descended to that sort of petty jingoistic level just yet.

berlin based but is a polish guy

MrMighty · 27 Feb 2003, 21:16

Daniel Libeskind IS ACTUALLY insane. The building is full of gimmicks (such as, I believe, the height in feet of the building at 1776ft to represent American Independance Day) and is horrendous to look at.

To say he hasn't designed most, if any of the inside yet is also testamount to the irrelevence of archtiectural competitions.

And yes, it was sadly the best looking design of the lot :/

Nodrog · 27 Feb 2003, 21:27

Its an absolute travesty of a building, and I cant believe someone is paying to erect it. "hey guys, lets put a ****ING GIGNORMOUS POLE ON TOP OF THE BUILDING, HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE? What use does it have you say? Who cares, we're being post-modern!"

The United Architects one was far better.

MrL_JaKiri · 27 Feb 2003, 21:28

I think an overcomplicated and unthought through building is totally unsuitable for the home of modern economics.

queball · 27 Feb 2003, 21:38

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Originally posted by Nodrog
Its an absolute travesty of a building, and I cant believe someone is paying to erect it. "hey guys, lets put a ****ING GIGNORMOUS POLE ON TOP OF THE BUILDING, HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE? What use does it have you say? Who cares, we're being post-modern!"

The United Architects one was far better.

They call it an antenna here:
http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesells...237938,00.html

27 Feb 2003, 21:55

Haha, that's like a second WTC attack, serves them right.

27/2 NEVER FORGET

Nodrog · 27 Feb 2003, 22:12

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Originally posted by queball
They call it an antenna here:
http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesells...237938,00.html

A rose by any other name is still a rose

27 Feb 2003, 22:15

I'm so happy about this.

Leshy · 28 Feb 2003, 00:42

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Originally posted by Mr. Hello
I'm so happy about this.

Is that you, Osama?

Nusselt · 28 Feb 2003, 01:05

just wondering, and maybe im missing something very crucial and im a bit thick, but i dont get the point of putting gardens 1000ft in the air. The space looks quite limited, i have a feeling that its going to end up as naff potted plants and stuff. But isnt the entire point of being 1000ft in the air to look out over the skyline??? why put gardens up there???

s|k · 28 Feb 2003, 01:29

What happened to the original WTC?

:/

Starbucks · 28 Feb 2003, 06:13

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Originally posted by s|k
What happened to the original WTC?

:/

got crushed by a XBOX

(lol so huge lol)

Leshy · 28 Feb 2003, 12:34

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Originally posted by Nusselt
just wondering, and maybe im missing something very crucial and im a bit thick, but i dont get the point of putting gardens 1000ft in the air.

It combines having the highest building in the world, on the location of the previous WTC, incorporating a symbol of unity in the form of gardens representing all areas around the world.

It's actually the one part about the concept I particularly like.

queball · 28 Feb 2003, 12:44

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Originally posted by Nodrog
A rose by any other name is still a rose

OK, so I can call you "wrong", and call your architectural opinion "meaningless nonsense".

Marilyn Manson · 28 Feb 2003, 14:06

I don't know what the exact trade off will be between Libeskind's creative arty-fartyness, and actual practicality, but he doesn't seem to take it to the anti-people extremes of design some people do.

wu_trax · 28 Feb 2003, 14:14

after what i heared its not going to be build that way. the owner wants to build a giant bus-station or something like that at the bottom.

Sub · 28 Feb 2003, 17:47

Hmm. Creating a building on a mass grave.

Nice.

Texan · 28 Feb 2003, 18:29

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Originally posted by Sub
Hmm. Creating a building on a mass grave.

Nice.

It's not really a mass grave. There are no bodies buried there.

I think NYC should build a tower so tall that you don't need to launch rockets to get satellites into orbit. You just go up to the roof of the new WTC and toss the satellite into space.

Nusselt · 28 Feb 2003, 20:14

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Originally posted by Texan

I think NYC should build a tower so tall that you don't need to launch rockets to get satellites into orbit. You just go up to the roof of the new WTC and toss the satellite into space.

funnily enough thats exactly what Osama Bin Laden wants you to do as well.

wu_trax · 28 Feb 2003, 20:41

does anyone remember that cartoon with the wtc rebuild twice as large, with an american flag on the top?

Texan · 1 Mar 2003, 15:39

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Originally posted by Nusselt
funnily enough thats exactly what Osama Bin Laden wants you to do as well.

Osama bin Laden wants me to build a WTC that reaches to the edge of outer space? I am fairly certain Osama bin Laden is not even aware of my existence, but if he is, he must think I have a lot of money based on your comment. All of my savings put together would not even buy me the crappiest apartment in Lower Manhatten. Buying land there and building a skyscraper is completely out of the question. I might be able to borrow enough money to build a small house in Texas somewhere, but a skyscraper... It ain't gonna happen.

Sub · 1 Mar 2003, 15:46

I think he meant the people of the US.

But that was fairly obvious I thought.

Nusselt · 1 Mar 2003, 15:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Texan
Osama bin Laden wants me to build a WTC that reaches to the edge of outer space? I am fairly certain Osama bin Laden is not even aware of my existence, but if he is, he must think I have a lot of money based on your comment. All of my savings put together would not even buy me the crappiest apartment in Lower Manhatten. Buying land there and building a skyscraper is completely out of the question. I might be able to borrow enough money to build a small house in Texas somewhere, but a skyscraper... It ain't gonna happen.

no i meant that osama bin laden wants you to build that ginormous tower at great expense so that he can fly another plane into it and take out all of manhattan thereby doing the job properly.

He told me so, i talked to him on AOL the other night

Texan · 1 Mar 2003, 16:07

Quote:

Originally posted by Sub
I think he meant the people of the US.

But that was fairly obvious I thought.

You has a lot of meanings. You could mean all of the people in the British Commonwealth. You could mean the beef-producing nations of the world. You could mean the people who live on the continent of Africa. You has so many meanings that it has no meaning.

When someone quotes me and says "you," I can only assume the person quoting "me" means me and not, for example people who eat only vegetables.

You, Sub, are a person who thinks that the meanings of what other people say are obvious.

Osama bin Laden may want NYC to build a giant skyscraper at the place of the WTC. I have no idea what he wants. He and I have not discussed the idea.

The real answer should have been "That is what Osama bin Laden wants New York City to do, " not "funnily enough that's exactly what Osama Bin Laden wants you to do as well."

People should just say what they mean, rather than say something they expect people to understand because it is "so obvious" what they really meant.

Texan · 1 Mar 2003, 16:10

Quote:

Originally posted by Nusselt
no i meant that osama bin laden wants you to build that ginormous tower at great expense so that he can fly another plane into it and take out all of manhattan thereby doing the job properly.

He told me so, i talked to him on AOL the other night

I still do not have enough money to build anything in New york City. Quit saying Osama bin Laden expects me to do so. He does not know who I am. He does not expect me to build anything in NYC.

Leshy · 1 Mar 2003, 16:14

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Originally posted by Texan
The real answer should have been "That is what Osama bin Laden wants New York City to do"

I wasn't aware cities could construct buildings. Hell, I wasn't even aware cities were living things.

queball · 1 Mar 2003, 16:15

Haven't you already done this once, Texan?

Nodrog · 1 Mar 2003, 16:16

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Originally posted by queball
OK, so I can call you "wrong", and call your architectural opinion "meaningless nonsense".

You can call me whatever you want, but youll still fail to get away from the fact that sticking a completely redundant pole on top of a building makes it look both stupid and ugly.

Nusselt · 1 Mar 2003, 16:17

Quote:

Originally posted by Texan
I still do not have enough money to build anything in New york City.

i can lend you £5

Quote:

Originally posted by Texan
Quit saying Osama bin Laden expects me to do so.

No you Quit saying he doesnt expect you to do so

Quote:

Originally posted by Texan
He does not know who I am.

He does to dood, i spoke to him on AOL the other night!!! he knows who you are, im telling you he knows!!!!!

Quote:

Originally posted by Texan

He does not expect me to build anything in NYC.

Yes he does

Nusselt · 1 Mar 2003, 16:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Nodrog
You can call me whatever you want, but youll still fail to get away from the fact that sticking a completely redundant pole on top of a building makes it look both stupid and ugly.

hello Gordon, whilst i agree with your assesment, the pole isnt redundant, since it makes the building 'tall'.

But yes it is stupid and ugly.

Zitos · 1 Mar 2003, 16:29

The best thing would be to:
Use the old design..
Showing the world, that they can come back as nothing happend to them..

But then again, they are just to stupid..

Sub · 1 Mar 2003, 16:30

Quote:

Originally posted by Texan
You has a lot of meanings. You could mean all of the people in the British Commonwealth. You could mean the beef-producing nations of the world. You could mean the people who live on the continent of Africa. You has so many meanings that it has no meaning.

When someone quotes me and says "you," I can only assume the person quoting "me" means me and not, for example people who eat only vegetables.

You, Sub, are a person who thinks that the meanings of what other people say are obvious.

Osama bin Laden may want NYC to build a giant skyscraper at the place of the WTC. I have no idea what he wants. He and I have not discussed the idea.

The real answer should have been "That is what Osama bin Laden wants New York City to do, " not "funnily enough that's exactly what Osama Bin Laden wants you to do as well."

People should just say what they mean, rather than say something they expect people to understand because it is "so obvious" what they really meant.

Why are you making such a big deal out of this? It was obvious to most people exactly what he was on about. I'm sure we've had this discussion before about 'knowing what people mean by what they write, even if they aren't blatantly obvious'. If you consider all the variables for what 'you' could have been, I think you'll find only one makes actual sense.