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Internet in the land of the not-so-free.
Control of the root domain servers desperately needs to be taken away from ICANN, the US government is now seeking court approval to redirect sites selling pipes/bongs and similar related items to a DEA website. As long as the paranoid control freak US government has any jurisdiction over those in charge of domains they call the shots and can censor you at will it seems and that's simply not good enough.
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This illegal billion-dollar industry will no longer be ignored by law enforcement. Today, the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force, under the leadership of Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson and Associate Deputy Attorney General Karen Tandy, has taken decisive steps to dismantle the illegal drug paraphernalia industry by attacking their physical, financial and Internet infrastructures.
Operation Pipe Dreams page at dea.gov
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Further details of this are at cannabisnews.com.
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hmm, these utilities are not even banned here, and after what nodrog said i live in an authorian country with no freedom whatsoever :/
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27 Feb 2003, 12:47
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4:20 welcome the the DEA's website
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27 Feb 2003, 12:55
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How long before they start changing the DNS records of anti-US .com/.net/.org sites to point at fbi.gov? How long before they fiddle with kazaa.com or kazaalite.com? How long before they decide to take over YOUR .com?
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ACHTUNG!!!
Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy
schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit
spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das
rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
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27 Feb 2003, 13:01
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Originally posted by Gayle29uk
How long before they decide to take over YOUR .com?
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they will never take over alquaeda.com
what reason do they have?
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27 Feb 2003, 16:22
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That is seriously ****ed up. Land off the free my ass.
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27 Feb 2003, 16:28
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Re: Internet in the land of the not-so-free.
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Originally posted by Gayle29uk
Control of the root domain servers desperately needs to be taken away from ICANN, the US government is now seeking court approval to redirect sites selling pipes/bongs and similar related items to a DEA website. As long as the paranoid control freak US government has any jurisdiction over those in charge of domains they call the shots and can censor you at will it seems and that's simply not good enough.
Further details of this are at cannabisnews.com.
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a place right across the street from me is one of the 27 establishments that got raided.
basically, under ashcroft it is also illegal to buy tie-dyed shirts because it tends to be pot users that purchase them.
he is such a cockstab it makes my ears bleed.
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27 Feb 2003, 17:47
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Why are bongs and pipes illegal? They can't prove that they would be used for inhaling illegal substances.
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Let's put it this way...
While I agree the "selling" of pipes/bongs shouldn't be illegal, I think it should be discouraged. There are several stores in my town that sell them, but are required to place them in "18 and over only" sections of the store lest they face a citation (under what charge, I'm not sure, I'm under the impression the store would be open to bad publicity or whatnot *shrugs*).
It's not at all impossible for children (I'm using this term loosely) to purchase a pipe/bong or anything else on the Internet with a few taps of the keyboard. The credit card is the key to the Tree of Knowledge.
For the sake of argument, the ICANN can seek approval from a court to, in effect, 'seize' a domain if they can a) prove beyond a doubt it has been selling items to minors (which comes back to the counter-point Sub made; I don't know the legalities involving pipes/bongs in the U.S.) b) it is 'hosted' in the United States (I fail to see how they could exercise control over say, a Norwegian-based domain) or c) involved in other illegal activities.
The Internet isn't "free reign" and it's not going to get any better. Consider the counters to my own words as being cigarette manufacturers websites (do you see them being redirected?) and suing the ICANN/government for unwarranted seizure and/or defamation of character - though both will be hard to come by, heh.
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Most people support this.
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Originally posted by HobbieRogue4
Let's put it this way...
While I agree the "selling" of pipes/bongs shouldn't be illegal, I think it should be discouraged. There are several stores in my town that sell them, but are required to place them in "18 and over only" sections of the store lest they face a citation (under what charge, I'm not sure, I'm under the impression the store would be open to bad publicity or whatnot *shrugs*).
It's not at all impossible for children (I'm using this term loosely) to purchase a pipe/bong or anything else on the Internet with a few taps of the keyboard. The credit card is the key to the Tree of Knowledge.
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What is wrong with this?
"We cant let children think that being gay is ok, they might end up becoming gay!"
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Control of the root domain servers desperately needs to be taken away from ICANN, the US government is now seeking court approval to redirect sites selling pipes/bongs and similar related items to a DEA website. As long as the paranoid control freak US government has any jurisdiction over those in charge of domains they call the shots and can censor you at will it seems and that's simply not good enough.
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You're in for a shock if you think the current freedom we have over the internet will continue. The technology is just moving too fast for the governments to keep up with at the moment but you watch this cyberspace, crime is crime and they will clamp down it.
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How long before they start changing the DNS records of anti-US .com/.net/.org sites to point at fbi.gov? How long before they fiddle with kazaa.com or kazaalite.com? How long before they decide to take over YOUR .com?
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Well there you have it. If Gayle was your countries elected leader he/she would allow people to put up websites that actively seek to hurt your country and way of life and promote media theft on a grand scale (which affects peoples jobs, which effects the ecconomy, which means we pay more taxes and probably eventually kill the games/software/film/music industries within a decacde \o/
VOTE GAYLE for a shitter existence!!
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<@JonnyFive> well there you go, dj's ego really is mightier than ships
<@Hevonen> DarkJedi, thank god
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27 Feb 2003, 18:29
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What is wrong with this?
"We cant let children think that being gay is ok, they might end up becoming gay!"
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I'm all for it.
Look whats happened to Sean Lennon :/
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DarkJedi - The Nelson Mandela of PA (Freed Mon 2nd Dec 2002)
<@JonnyFive> well there you go, dj's ego really is mightier than ships
<@Hevonen> DarkJedi, thank god
[00:02] <Iniluki> self glorfying sigs are ****ing childish
[00:04] <DarkJedi> arrogance is bliss
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What is wrong with this?
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It's a typical argument to be sure. Conservatives from here to Timbuktu will give you that by the truck-load.
Be it as it may, "drugs" are illegal in my country, laws will be enforced, etc. etc. And they are discouraged. Underaged drinking is discouraged. Killing thy neighbor is discouraged.
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Be it as it may, "drugs" are illegal in my country, laws will be enforced, etc. etc. And they are discouraged. Underaged drinking is discouraged. .
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morale obligation.
they are in charge, they should be the ones to do it.
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DarkJedi - The Nelson Mandela of PA (Freed Mon 2nd Dec 2002)
<@JonnyFive> well there you go, dj's ego really is mightier than ships
<@Hevonen> DarkJedi, thank god
[00:02] <Iniluki> self glorfying sigs are ****ing childish
[00:04] <DarkJedi> arrogance is bliss
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Originally posted by -o|DarkJedi|o-
Well there you have it. If Gayle was your countries elected leader he/she would allow people to put up websites that actively seek to hurt your country and way of life and promote media theft on a grand scale (which affects peoples jobs, which effects the ecconomy, which means we pay more taxes and probably eventually kill the games/software/film/music industries within a decacde \o/
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27 Feb 2003, 18:48
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Your logic is broken in too many ways to correct within a single post
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I thought the vast number of assumptions in every line as well as the huge gaps in his logic were all there for comic relief.
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27 Feb 2003, 19:04
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Originally posted by HobbieRogue4
Let's put it this way...
While I agree the "selling" of pipes/bongs shouldn't be illegal, I think it should be discouraged. There are several stores in my town that sell them, but are required to place them in "18 and over only" sections of the store lest they face a citation (under what charge, I'm not sure, I'm under the impression the store would be open to bad publicity or whatnot *shrugs*).
It's not at all impossible for children (I'm using this term loosely) to purchase a pipe/bong or anything else on the Internet with a few taps of the keyboard. The credit card is the key to the Tree of Knowledge.
For the sake of argument, the ICANN can seek approval from a court to, in effect, 'seize' a domain if they can a) prove beyond a doubt it has been selling items to minors (which comes back to the counter-point Sub made; I don't know the legalities involving pipes/bongs in the U.S.) b) it is 'hosted' in the United States (I fail to see how they could exercise control over say, a Norwegian-based domain) or c) involved in other illegal activities.
The Internet isn't "free reign" and it's not going to get any better. Consider the counters to my own words as being cigarette manufacturers websites (do you see them being redirected?) and suing the ICANN/government for unwarranted seizure and/or defamation of character - though both will be hard to come by, heh.
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I agree with the common point that people need to be protected from certain content, but let's not forget the fact that its an INTERnet. Here in the Netherlands it's perfectly legal to own cannabis (to some extent) and smoke it, you just aren't allowed to grow it (yes, this is a crooked law, but that's not what this is about). I don't think that the US government has to be the one to control the content on the Internet, as their political views are often different from those in other countries.
What I believe is the best solution is every country having it's own domain registry organisations, that act according to the law in that country. Then have a bigger organ, such as ICANN now, to controll overall naming conventions.
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i fail to see why my logic is broken.
anti.us.coms promote harm, terrorism etc etc against the country of usa...
kazaa and kazaa lite promote media theft on a grand scale...
both of these are crimes regardless of your opinion.
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<@JonnyFive> well there you go, dj's ego really is mightier than ships
<@Hevonen> DarkJedi, thank god
[00:02] <Iniluki> self glorfying sigs are ****ing childish
[00:04] <DarkJedi> arrogance is bliss
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There are such things as 'free media'
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both of these are crimes regardless of your opinion.
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Exactly. Laws should be in place regardless of the peoples opinion. Who cares if pretty much every person in the UK drinks beer before they are 18? The laws should be static and never change.
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anti.us.coms promote harm, terrorism etc etc against the country of usa...
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I was unaware that speaking out against the establishment or current government was a valid justification for legal action, including possible arrest and detainment, not to mention that just optspokenness is apparently morally wrong, as you seem to suggest.
Kindof puts a whole new light on that 'American Revolution' and 'founding fathers' thing. Terrorists the lot of them.
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Originally posted by Structural Integrity
What I believe is the best solution is every country having it's own domain registry organisations, that act according to the law in that country. Then have a bigger organ, such as ICANN now, to controll overall naming conventions.
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You mean exactly how it is now?
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no, the .com and .org domains are controlled by ICANN as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong tho). I'd say that these should also be controlled by these smaller organisations, determined by the nationality of the person who registered it. So basically taking away the power of ICANN and limit their power to only preventing duplicate names, and coming up with new TLD's.
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im not talking about free media.
im talking about movies, games, music and software which hundreds of thousands of peoples jobs depend on all over the world.
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DarkJedi - The Nelson Mandela of PA (Freed Mon 2nd Dec 2002)
<@JonnyFive> well there you go, dj's ego really is mightier than ships
<@Hevonen> DarkJedi, thank god
[00:02] <Iniluki> self glorfying sigs are ****ing childish
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Exactly. Laws should be in place regardless of the peoples opinion. Who cares if pretty much every person in the UK drinks beer before they are 18? The laws should be static and never change.
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don't be a dick.
I'm talking about CRIMES.
Terrorism, murder theft, abuse... not ****ing drinking in the park with your mates
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DarkJedi - The Nelson Mandela of PA (Freed Mon 2nd Dec 2002)
<@JonnyFive> well there you go, dj's ego really is mightier than ships
<@Hevonen> DarkJedi, thank god
[00:02] <Iniluki> self glorfying sigs are ****ing childish
[00:04] <DarkJedi> arrogance is bliss
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I was unaware that speaking out against the establishment or current government was a valid justification for legal action, including possible arrest and detainment, not to mention that just optspokenness is apparently morally wrong, as you seem to suggest.
Kindof puts a whole new light on that 'American Revolution' and 'founding fathers' thing. Terrorists the lot of them.
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DarkJedi - The Nelson Mandela of PA (Freed Mon 2nd Dec 2002)
<@JonnyFive> well there you go, dj's ego really is mightier than ships
<@Hevonen> DarkJedi, thank god
[00:02] <Iniluki> self glorfying sigs are ****ing childish
[00:04] <DarkJedi> arrogance is bliss
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just make your own pipe and bong. but drugs are waste of time anyways tbh...
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don't be a dick.
I'm talking about CRIMES.
Terrorism, murder theft, abuse... not ****ing drinking in the park with your mates
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The fact that the RIAA does tell you:
In 2001 the total amount of sales income droped by 10% compared to 2000.
The fact the RIAA doesn't tell you:
In 2001 the RIAA did release 15% less CDs compared to 2000.
Figure out the rest ...
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No, you're talking about discussing or promoting serious crimes, and less serious crimes like music trading.
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the only difference between stealing a cd from HMV and downloading it off kazaa is you get some card board and a plastic casing.
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DarkJedi - The Nelson Mandela of PA (Freed Mon 2nd Dec 2002)
<@JonnyFive> well there you go, dj's ego really is mightier than ships
<@Hevonen> DarkJedi, thank god
[00:02] <Iniluki> self glorfying sigs are ****ing childish
[00:04] <DarkJedi> arrogance is bliss
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the only difference between stealing a cd from HMV and downloading it off kazaa is you get some card board and a plastic casing.
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I only download music that I either own or havent ripped or wouldn't buy.
As I have no money, this means rather a lot is included in that catergory.
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the only difference between stealing a cd from HMV and downloading it off kazaa is you get some card board and a plastic casing.
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don't be a dick.
I'm talking about CRIMES.
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Oh, CRIMES. Now I understand.
Ok, because your original post talked about...
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... I was unaware you could link everyone who owns an anti.us.com site to one of these serious CRIMES you go on about. Not underage drinking (which is a CRIME) but owning a webpage (Which is not).
You can see why i was confused. CRIMES, such as "Terrorism, murder theft, abuse" is what you are talking about. Well, actually "Terrorism, murder theft, abuse and owning a webpage."
Thanks for clearing that up.
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im not talking about free media.
im talking about movies, games, music and software which hundreds of thousands of peoples jobs depend on all over the world.
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The fact that something employs alot of people does not justifies it's right to have laws defending it.
Or are you saying that the drug industry should be subsidized instead of percecuted, since millions of people earn their living selling drugs?
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The fact that the RIAA does tell you:
In 2001 the total amount of sales income droped by 10% compared to 2000.
The fact the RIAA doesn't tell you:
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Exactly. Laws should be in place regardless of the peoples opinion. Who cares if pretty much every person in the UK drinks beer before they are 18? The laws should be static and never change.
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Join Date: Sep 2000
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The reason they sell less CDs is because of MTV and all that ****e. By the time the CD is released, everybody has heard the song and grown bored of it. They just use P2P programmes as an excuse.
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28 Feb 2003, 11:24
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Not Banned!!
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Oh, CRIMES. Now I understand.
Ok, because your original post talked about...
... I was unaware you could link everyone who owns an anti.us.com site to one of these serious CRIMES you go on about. Not underage drinking (which is a CRIME) but owning a webpage (Which is not).
You can see why i was confused. CRIMES, such as "Terrorism, murder theft, abuse" is what you are talking about. Well, actually "Terrorism, murder theft, abuse and owning a webpage."
Thanks for clearing that up.
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<@JonnyFive> well there you go, dj's ego really is mightier than ships
<@Hevonen> DarkJedi, thank god
[00:02] <Iniluki> self glorfying sigs are ****ing childish
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28 Feb 2003, 11:40
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Not Banned!!
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Originally posted by W
The fact that something employs alot of people does not justifies it's right to have laws defending it.
Or are you saying that the drug industry should be subsidized instead of percecuted, since millions of people earn their living selling drugs?
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No, I'm saying there's a border line between freedom of speech and taking the piss.... and that SOMEONE SOMEWHERE should have the morale responsibility to kerb it.
Whether any of you leechers like it or not, every time we download a copy of starwars, or the latest m&m album (whatever floats your boat) someone, somewhere loses out on the £14.95 you would have paid... be that the retailer, the producers, the publishers, directors whatever... all of em....
And i dont think sites that 'speak out against the government' should be taken down, but when that site starts telling its viewers to bomb innocent people in the name of xyz cult with step by step instructions to making your very own dirty bomb, then YES, we should stop it, and should attempt to protect our population.
But please, if any of you have a justified reason why we should all be allowed to promote killing and theft in the name of freedom speech, i'd love to hear it.
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DarkJedi - The Nelson Mandela of PA (Freed Mon 2nd Dec 2002)
<@JonnyFive> well there you go, dj's ego really is mightier than ships
<@Hevonen> DarkJedi, thank god
[00:02] <Iniluki> self glorfying sigs are ****ing childish
[00:04] <DarkJedi> arrogance is bliss
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28 Feb 2003, 13:01
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The Twilight of the Gods
Join Date: Jan 2001
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Originally posted by LHC
Actually Laws have to change with the times.
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Somehow, I suspect that was his point you mong.
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28 Feb 2003, 17:03
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Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: #FoW
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Originally posted by -o|DarkJedi|o-
No, I'm saying there's a border line between freedom of speech and taking the piss.... and that SOMEONE SOMEWHERE should have the morale responsibility to kerb it.
Whether any of you leechers like it or not, every time we download a copy of starwars, or the latest m&m album (whatever floats your boat) someone, somewhere loses out on the £14.95 you would have paid... be that the retailer, the producers, the publishers, directors whatever... all of em....
And i dont think sites that 'speak out against the government' should be taken down, but when that site starts telling its viewers to bomb innocent people in the name of xyz cult with step by step instructions to making your very own dirty bomb, then YES, we should stop it, and should attempt to protect our population.
But please, if any of you have a justified reason why we should all be allowed to promote killing and theft in the name of freedom speech, i'd love to hear it.
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Talking about, encouraging, and inciting, killing, theft and rape, is not killing, theft and rape.
As for your starwars example; Evertime someone ignores my "donate 10$ to me" button, someone, somewhere (me) lose out on 10$. Does that mean I have a right to have money donated to me?
Again, someone earning money on something, is not enough justification for protecting and by law encouraging the practice.
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28 Feb 2003, 17:13
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Upside down
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Originally posted by -o|DarkJedi|o-
No, I'm saying there's a border line between freedom of speech and taking the piss.... and that SOMEONE SOMEWHERE should have the morale responsibility to kerb it.
Whether any of you leechers like it or not, every time we download a copy of starwars, or the latest m&m album (whatever floats your boat) someone, somewhere loses out on the £14.95 you would have paid... be that the retailer, the producers, the publishers, directors whatever... all of em....
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There is ONE little flaw in that theory: not every album that is downloaded would have been bought if it wasn't available on-line.
The consumer will only spend $xxx on CD's/movies, if he downloads more on the internet it's not a loss for the record companies because that consumer wouldn't have bought it anyway. I know there are people who ONLY leech, but these are less than those who still buy CD's on the shop.
Now, I agree that it still is a crime, but I want to make clear that the socalled "loss of income" that recording companies claim to have due to the internet is blown WAY out of proportion.
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28 Feb 2003, 17:13
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,410
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Originally posted by W
Talking about, encouraging, and inciting, killing, theft and rape, is not killing, theft and rape.
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But if the lawmakers can cut down on killing theft and rape what reason is there for them not to?
Let's pretend a newspaper names someone as a terrorist (completely falsely) and that person's family is then killed. By prosecuting the people who publish these lies, less people get killed, so what good reason is there not to have a few moderate anti-free-speech laws?
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