What's your Terran fleet?

[ChubbyChecker]

Here's mine:

Gryphon 5
Drake 5
Pegasus 8
Chimera 2
Demeter 2

The gryphons and drakes are purely for defending. The drake is especially versatile as it is useful against certain Xans and certain Ziks. Gryphons are also good as there are a lot of Terrans out there with Destroyer fleets. The Wyvern and Syren both have better armour and more powerful weapons, however they are +1 ETA and therefore useless if you are defending your alliance against destroyers or frigates, which is why I don't build any of them.

The Pegasi and Demeters are used for attacking. The Pegasus has the best armour of the destroyers and is therefore the obvious flak for the Demeters. It also targets Fighters, which is useful since Fighters are more likely to be used as defence against this attack so you can shoot at them to deter the defence being sent in the first place.

The Chimeras usually attack with the Pegs and Demeters. However they can also be used as defence against Terran Battleship fleets.

I haven't built any Harpies or Phoenixes because I think they are both pretty much ineffective. Harpies have terrible armour, plus I already have Pegasi that can shoot at Fighters. Only downside is that the Pegs can't be used to defend your alliance. Phoenixes have very weak weapons plus I have noticed that other races stock up on anti-Corvette ships so I don't really need anti-Corvette ships of my own.

I don't build Dragons because I feel that other races are better equipped at dealing with Cruisers. Especially Ziks which have a Corvette that can shoot them. Xans and Cats also have faster ships than the Dragon to deal with Cruisers so I leave the anti-Cruiser ships to other races.

As for Leviathans, I'm not too sure about these. I think they are very expensive and not that great at stealing roids, overall I think they are just too much of a resource sink to be an effective additional roiding fleet to my destroyers.

So what do you think of my fleet? And what does yours look like?

[General Martok]

It looks kinda small

But seriously: is this based on resources or shipcount?

I'd build *some* dragons, it stops cathaars from attacking you, saving your gal/alliance anti-cruiser ships.

[NotALegend]

Defence (only)

Phoenix
Pegasus
Chimera
Syren

Harpies dies at once against Xan FI fleets, so they are (in my experience) totally useless. I've avoided gryphons and drakes because I build wyverns and syrens instead (besides, there's not that many DE fleets around). Pegs and Syrens are used for in-galaxy defence only, and are very good at that too. Well, except against giant Xan FR fleets with lots of bombers (buhbye syrens).

Needless to say, this makes me strong defending against certain attacks and weaker against others. But that's why you're in an alliance and a buddypack (to balance strenghts and weaknesses). Building a little of everything just makes you completely weak.

Attack (mainly)

Wyvern
Dragon
Leviathan

Yes, it's BS only. Big surprise. Wyverns and dragons are not only useful as flak, but they also shoot downs chimeras and peacekeepers. Lots of dragons also keep those Cath CR fleets away.

[ChubbyChecker]

Originally Posted by General Martok

It looks kinda small

Originally Posted by General Martok

But seriously: is this based on resources or shipcount?

Shipcount

[noah02]

Defence

Nixes
Pegs
Chims

Pegs are an awesome anti fi at numbers a lot better than them dirty stinking weak harpys (and i so loved them last round 110k last round and i wont even buy 1k this round)
Nixes scare anyone away if you have a good reasonable amount (nixes for the win)and chims are quick against BS (for alliance defence) and terrans dont like losing BS to much. But mostly I am building a Peg and nixes fleet for defence.

Attack

wyvern
dragon
leviathan

Obviously them leviathan because there armour is so strong.
I was actually thinking of just sending levs on attacks and not bothering with wyverns for attack because there just so bloody hard to stop and if i lose some chances are my xp will go through the roof.

Who ever said they are unsure about levs needs to re think because levs are a powerful assett to your Terran fleet alone. Oh and they capture at least 9 roids per ship which makes them great at steealing roids tbh.


edit: I can't stop building pegasus for some reason they are just so powerful and pulsars run scared no matter how many there are.
pegaus and demeter are turning into my first fleet of combat now because pirates are just floating about everywere. Didnt think a terran destroyer fleet would have much to do this round due to powerful battleships but have decided now they are more powerful than i first thought.

[Clogg]

I like to use my pegs and Chimera alongside my Demeters for a DE attack, provides a bit more skin around the demeters. So more vipers are needed to EMP them. And Xan are more reluctant to send Pulsars against you.

[Tietäjä]

I'm not a terran, but from my perspective phoenix is a great defence ship. Drake and phoenix combined keep xan FR/CO setups away, and if they add in lancers, there's where your Wyverns step out. So, defensively it's peg (to prevent fi-only raids, and to use as a secondary attack ship), chimera (anti-BS), drake (to hedge out some zik and xan). Attackwise some 3 wyvern 2 dragon 1 leviathan sounds like a good combination. At least impossible to freeze, and will do some damage to defending chimeras (which have one more tick to appear than their peacekeeper collegues).

[Colt]

Hmm, gryphons? I wouldnt bother, id go the battleship route and get wyverns, much more effective and they can be used in both def and attack. And leviathans - not worth building - OMG LOL, sorry but there armour makes them very strong and stealing 9 roids per ship, they rock at roiding - eod.
My fleet atm consists of:

Phoenix
Pegasus
Demeter
Wyvern
Dragon
Leviathan

I havent ordered drakes or chims, syrens are a waste of resources as you wont use them for anything other than ingal def, useless on attacks and too slow for ally def. Also i dont build chims as to deter any terran with a decent sized BS fleet your gonna need alot, and id rather plough my resources into other ships. Drakes are the only ship ive considered building outside the ones i already have, but as yet, havent done, i may get round to it if i start to get a lot of fr incoming, but again, it means that your going to be leaving fleet at home which could possibly be caught while your fleets out att/def. I prefer to build my fleet so that i have 3 fleets which are all mobile, nothing being left at home - specialisation in essence.

[Rocko]

No terren wants to loose Battleships, unless the gain is worth it
By NOT buidling chimera, you inviting a BS podding fleet to you.
If you saw someone with 100+chimera, wouldnt you think twice about sending in your rarther expensive leviathons and other BS? i know i would.
where as if someone had NO chimera, then the fleet would already be set up and set on pre-launch before you cud say "wow no anti BS"

[E-Choke]

no drakes => FR rush for Xans and Ziks

[MAdnRisKy]

Drakes turn on zik and turn off xan

syrens turn on xan and turn off zik.

you pays your money and you takes your chances

[Gate]

I'm not a terran, but I like to talk. \o/

With regards to defence:
Phoenix - kills beetles nicely, dissuading cath attackers and being a useful defship. Zik attackers also take a denting, but zik CO is generally easier to stop with vsh/spid/assassin anyway. Ignoring them is folly IMO: I know plenty of ziks who ignore assassins in favour of buccs, spiders often seem a secondary consideration, and in my experience, vsh are almost constantly out as xan's major pod flak. Relying on alliance def against a big number of zik CO doesn't seem particularly clever...

Gryphon - I'm a bit of an alliance defwhore, and I also dislike the idea of being hit by a huge group of DE with loads of chimeras that make me cry and run my wyverns away from them. Oh, and they're slightly killier than wyvs too.

Pegasus - Far better than the harpy IMO, guaranteed to shoot and does more damage.

Chimera - Personally, I'd consider ignoring this.. terran BS are likely to bring along loads of wyverns anyway...

Syren - Xan FR are piss easy to stop with arrowheads, thieves, drakes or clippers in alliance, whereas zik FR are nigh on unstoppable, except with loads of clippers. Once they've capped bombers and vipers though, they're like a freight train.

Dragon - duh.

Attack:
DE: Peg/Dem
BS: Drag/Leviathan. With the extra resources saved from ignoring chimera, you can afford to spend a greater proportion of your res on one fo your attack fleets.

This is purely a Xan's PoV though.

[MAdnRisKy]

xan fr, are NOT easy to stop with arrows.

really really not

[Gate]

Originally Posted by MAdnRisKy

xan fr, are NOT easy to stop with arrows.

really really not

Not? O_o

I've never really had any problems... 3k arrows def (plus the 400 odd I own) forced about 5.5k xan frigs to recall from me because attackers were losing 170k value for 32k value in roids and about 50-60k score in XP...

Whereas teh same value in zik frigs would have lost about 136k value for the same cap, only they would have stolen 125k value back. Losing 9k value is far less likely to persuade a recall than losing 170k value, ergo I consider xan FR a piece of piss to cover.

[Ultimate Newbie]

What i think MadnRisky forgot to mention was that xans who use a FR fleet properly always escort them with Lancers. Lancers fire before arrowheads and blow massive holes in them before they can get stuck into the pissweak FR. In that regard, i think xan FR/DE fleets are hard to stop - xan FR fleets only are the easiest to stop in the game.

I tend to have alot of success dealing with Zik FR fleets though. Not many have actually landed in recent times - even bucc heavy ones.

And you only have 3k arrowheads? i have 6.5k and i worry about not having enough :\.

[Gate]

Originally Posted by Ultimate Newbie

What i think MadnRisky forgot to mention was that xans who use a FR fleet properly always escort them with Lancers. Lancers fire before arrowheads and blow massive holes in them before they can get stuck into the pissweak FR. In that regard, i think xan FR/DE fleets are hard to stop - xan FR fleets only are the easiest to stop in the game.

I tend to have alot of success dealing with Zik FR fleets though. Not many have actually landed in recent times - even bucc heavy ones.

And you only have 3k arrowheads? i have 6.5k and i worry about not having enough :\.

I only have about 400 arrowheads. I decided that they were too inefficient to genuinely be worth it unless you have HUGE numbers (as you say, 6.5k and you worry about not having enough. I'm not spending 9 mil of each resource to be questionably safe from frigs. I'd rather get another 30k vsh or something)

But I also have 3k fireblades (3.5k fbs and 600 arrows got stolen in a fleetcatch by zik frigs, not had time to rebuild :/ ), which keeps any defending arrowheads quite safe, as few xans are willing to lose 250 lancers (nearly 550 before I lost my fbs) just to save a few frigs. This means that arrowheads are then quite capable of decimating them. As I said, 3k arrowheads is enough to make my roids too expensive for almost any xan... The only problem is sacrificial vsh killing arrowheads.

And here I haven't even began to discuss the damage that thieves, clippers and drakes can inflict whilst completely safe from retaliation (You could throw in your own arrows I suppose, but why lose over 400k value flakking through my vsh?). I still stand by my point that I find xan frigs one of the easiest incs to cover in the game. Terran DE and Cath CR are quite easy to get sorted too, but I always find xan frigs laughably easy.

EDIT: This could be turning into a xan discussion, if you wanna continue it, one of us can start a 'what's your xan fleet?' thread?

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally Posted by Gate

I only have about 400 arrowheads. I decided that they were too inefficient to genuinely be worth it unless you have HUGE numbers (as you say, 6.5k and you worry about not having enough. I'm not spending 9 mil of each resource to be questionably safe from frigs. I'd rather get another 30k vsh or something)

Actually, Arrowheads are very efficient i think - i worry about not having enough because i use them so often . They are my only ships that are never at home (still waiting for frequent flier points though ). I havent even had a whiff of FR incoming all round. Squishy, who is one of the highest value Ziks in the round, wont touch me with a 10 foot pole . I am quite dissapointed in my Fireblades though - they kill bugger all and the only time i seem to use them is when flakking my arrowheads (heh). I'd rather have bought another 10k vsh than the Fireblades :\ .

But I also have 3k fireblades (3.5k fbs and 600 arrows got stolen in a fleetcatch by zik frigs, not had time to rebuild :/ ), which keeps any defending arrowheads quite safe, as few xans are willing to lose 250 lancers (nearly 550 before I lost my fbs) just to save a few frigs. This means that arrowheads are then quite capable of decimating them. As I said, 3k arrowheads is enough to make my roids too expensive for almost any xan... The only problem is sacrificial vsh killing arrowheads.

Tbh, i dont really worry about xan FR/DE attacks on me. Not only because they'd need a hell of alot of lancers to kill enough of my arrows to make it worthwhile, but also because i do actually have some FB to mix them up a little as well (well, as far as FB can kill anything anyway :\).

EDIT: This could be turning into a xan discussion, if you wanna continue it, one of us can start a 'what's your xan fleet?' thread?

There is already one

[Colt]

Originally Posted by Rocko

No terren wants to loose Battleships, unless the gain is worth it
By NOT buidling chimera, you inviting a BS podding fleet to you.
If you saw someone with 100+chimera, wouldnt you think twice about sending in your rarther expensive leviathons and other BS? i know i would.
where as if someone had NO chimera, then the fleet would already be set up and set on pre-launch before you cud say "wow no anti BS"

I would launch on anyone with 100 chims, hell, even 400, you wont get anywhere if you are scared of losses...oh and wyverns blow holes through chims..

[Squishy]

As sov said arrowheads are a right pain. I rairly launch on anyone above 5k as that gives me a 5k acceptable margin for alliance/gal defence (I can land on 10k and accept it)

On the whole they are a very useful ship. Their great in alliance defence. I doupt any alliance out their is saying
'Damn we have to many arrowheads and not enough Fr incoming to use them'

And they make zik and perticularly xan think twice before landing.

But this is very off topic

As colt said 400 chimera is nothing. I would more than happely land on that with my BS fleet especially if it was a fleet catch. 1k chims would be a good amount their also a decent ship in alliance defence giving u 2 ticks to round them up. Unlike the XPK and Pirate which are ebtter on the whole but are lacking the sufficiant eta to make them of great use.

The most useless terran ships have gotta be the Syrens. They cant defend alliance and their franky a bit shit. The only good thing about them is that ziks dont target them with their FR fleet untill they have bombers (something im finding difficult to get with all the xans running scared) But this doesnt make up for their poor eta and their even poorer fire power. You are better going for the drake and running htem when the zik is to powerful for ya.

[ChubbyChecker]

Here's a couple of reasons why I don't like battleships:

Leviathans. Yes, they can steal 9 roids each. But as you can see in the manual they are the least efficient of all the roiding ships. They do have the best armour in the game which compensates slightly but since they only shoot at roids you shouldn't have too much trouble getting the extra defence needed to take out their excess armour.

As you can see from my first post I only have frigates and destroyers. This is so that not too many ships can shoot at me while still being able to shoot at quite a few ship classes (I can shoot at fighters, frigates, destroyers and battleships). Adding battleships would increase the number of ship classes I have, thereby increasing my vulnerability.

Battleships are useless at defending. The only one worth anything is the dragon, which is the slowest anti-cruiser ship in the game. And since battleships are no good at defending this only leaves attacking, which is not so great due to the inefficiency of the Leviathan.

My destroyer fleet has served me well so far this round and I don't see any compelling reason to upgrade to battleships.

[furball]

Originally Posted by ChubbyChecker

Battleships are useless at defending. The only one worth anything is the dragon, which is the slowest anti-cruiser ship in the game. And since battleships are no good at defending this only leaves attacking, which is not so great due to the inefficiency of the Leviathan.

From the perspective of a Cath CR player, Dragons scare the shit out of me. Cath CR don't target Dragons - they need to bring DE along to try to stun some of them.

Ask your ally's DC if he likes Dragons, and there'll be no question as to the answer.

[General Martok]

Originally Posted by Nonentity

From the perspective of a Cath CR player, Dragons scare the shit out of me. Cath CR don't target Dragons - they need to bring DE along to try to stun some of them.

Ask your ally's DC if he likes Dragons, and there'll be no question as to the answer.

I totally agree. Any terran with roughly 1 dragon for each 4 roids is untouchable for cathaar cruiserattacks.

@ChubbyChecker:

And the "inefficiency" of the leviathan is a non-reason. For a midsized terran BS fleet, you have several hundred battleships. With 50!! leviathans you already can cap 450 roids..... How much roids do you expect to capture per battle?

Besides, not building *some* dragons is quite selfish. Not only can a handfull defend your alliance or galmates without any risk of loosing them against cathaar cruisers, you ALSO prevent that your alliance has to defend YOU against those attacks. So it works both ways.

[NotALegend]

Originally Posted by Squishy

The most useless terran ships have gotta be the Syrens. They cant defend alliance and their franky a bit shit. The only good thing about them is that ziks dont target them with their FR fleet untill they have bombers (something im finding difficult to get with all the xans running scared) But this doesnt make up for their poor eta and their even poorer fire power. You are better going for the drake and running htem when the zik is to powerful for ya.

I beg to differ.

Your drakes will not scare any zik who already have singled you out from your value/size ratio. Not a single one. A good bunch of syrens, on the other hand, will. That's because zik FR fleets rarely have anti-CR with them (at least in good numbers), while any decent zik will be stacked chock-full of thiefs.

And poor fire power? Sure, but they still have better fire powers than drakes, and better armour too. The only thing against the syrens, is their lack of speed, and that's a valid one. If you're in a galaxy where nobody helps each other, then it's a no-brainer: choose drakes. But if you're in a galaxy like mine, choose syrens. Your galaxy mates will love you for it.

[Gate]

Originally Posted by NotALegend

And poor fire power? Sure, but they still have better fire powers than drakes, and better armour too. The only thing against the syrens, is their lack of speed, and that's a valid one. If you're in a galaxy where nobody helps each other, then it's a no-brainer: choose drakes. But if you're in a galaxy like mine, choose syrens. Your galaxy mates will love you for it.

I agree... I love my galmates for their syren

Plus drakes aren't that great for alliance def anyway, I'd rather terrans supply me with phoenix, dragons and gryphons for def. And I'm also a lot happier dealing wit Xan FR incs than I am with Zik FR incs, syrens tend to reduce the # of potential targs within my alliance than ziks have

[noah02]

Originally Posted by ChubbyChecker

Here's a couple of reasons why I don't like battleships:

Leviathans. Yes, they can steal 9 roids each. But as you can see in the manual they are the least efficient of all the roiding ships. They do have the best armour in the game which compensates slightly but since they only shoot at roids you shouldn't have too much trouble getting the extra defence needed to take out their excess armour.

As you can see from my first post I only have frigates and destroyers. This is so that not too many ships can shoot at me while still being able to shoot at quite a few ship classes (I can shoot at fighters, frigates, destroyers and battleships). Adding battleships would increase the number of ship classes I have, thereby increasing my vulnerability.

Battleships are useless at defending. The only one worth anything is the dragon, which is the slowest anti-cruiser ship in the game. And since battleships are no good at defending this only leaves attacking, which is not so great due to the inefficiency of the Leviathan.

My destroyer fleet has served me well so far this round and I don't see any compelling reason to upgrade to battleships.

OMG your so wrong.
Why do you think levs are useless i dont get it?
I couldnt disagree anymore if i tried to.
Everytime i send an average 100 levs to someone there is like 6 ppl defending and if there all cat i will still land and take my chances as it takes a lot of bw to stop a bs.
as for destroyers there so god damn easy to defend or fake defence in galaxy that it aint worth my while.
And yes dragons are a slow anti-cru but cruisers arent excactly fast and as long as the defcall is reported on the first tick of showing up then i will scare them cruisers of no problems.
Yes Pegs and demeters are an excellent podding fleet ( i do prefer the frig fleet from last rounf though they was excellent) but they are nothing comapred to the defence sucking Battleships.
I will build 1k levs and see what happens

[noah02]

Originally Posted by Gate

I agree... I love my galmates for their syren

Plus drakes aren't that great for alliance def anyway, I'd rather terrans supply me with phoenix, dragons and gryphons for def. And I'm also a lot happier dealing wit Xan FR incs than I am with Zik FR incs, syrens tend to reduce the # of potential targs within my alliance than ziks have

I must admit i have disowned syrens a bit but going to build a few now i think after seeing a few good remarks about them.

[Squishy]

Noah dont listen to these people they dont have a clue

As long as they keep building syrens i will keep taking their roids. Drakes are the only decent terran anti FR. Its easy to think syrens are better ie. The better damage/cost and armour/cost but a lot of them die before they get a chance to fire at any resonable sized zik and u need lots of them to even make someone think twice. As for dealing with xans u have no chance.

Ditch the syren. Drake for teh win

However if u like being roided keep building the syrens that cant defend ur self, cant defend ur ally and make very little difference in gal

[noah02]

Originally Posted by Squishy

Noah dont listen to these people they dont have a clue

As long as they keep building syrens i will keep taking their roids. Drakes are the only decent terran anti FR. Its easy to think syrens are better ie. The better damage/cost and armour/cost but a lot of them die before they get a chance to fire at any resonable sized zik and u need lots of them to even make someone think twice. As for dealing with xans u have no chance.

Ditch the syren. Drake for teh win

However if u like being roided keep building the syrens that cant defend ur self, cant defend ur ally and make very little difference in gal

cheers squishy you being a zik makes me wonder if you want to launch at me if i build no syrens
But yes maybe i should just build 10k drakes.
Wish i didnt like nixes so much though

[Squishy]

ofc i want to launch at you but i at leaste want to give u a sporting chance.

Any way i had this conversation with u a while ago after the betas stoped. Drakes are evil and if u have enough of them ziks wont land and xans have no chance. Syrens on the other hand. If your a zik they pose a small problem till u

a) have loads of bombers
b) attack with ur FR xan mate

But even if i didnt have the bombers you would need a lot of syrens to make me think twice if i decided you were a tasty target. And they cant help out alliance so an altoghether useless ship. Almost as bad as the guirdien which just makes me giggle

[Gate]

I still have trouble grasping the idea of drake > syren :/

I know you must have a better idea of it than me, but I've seen someone with 1.2k drakes hit by a zik of a value slightly under 1 mil, and the zik ended up losing just 30k value net (not counting roid cap); and that's not considering hte fact that the terran may have run. If those res had been spent on 400 syrens instead, the zik would be running a 170k net loss. Even with 1k bombers, it would be over 120k net loss...

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally Posted by Gate

Even with 1k bombers, it would be over 120k net loss...

Squish did say LOADS of bombers. 1k is pittance really. :\

/me goes to prod and orders another 250 .

[Gate]

Originally Posted by Ultimate Newbie

Squish did say LOADS of bombers. 1k is pittance really. :\

/me goes to prod and orders another 250 .

For a terran who's around 900k value, an attack fleet containing 1k bombers sent at them isn't that small IMO, when the zik has to cap them in the first place. Maybe if the attacker's value was heading towards 2 mil though.

Squishy is, I believe, quite a big bugger though

[MAdnRisKy]

thing is, and i'm fairly sure i've said it before, with drakes against zik, you have to inflict more dmg than he is going to steal back after you've fired, unlike the syren, which is reasonably loss free dmg.

against xan it's the other way around though :/

Oh and Sov, i didn't so much forget to mention the lancers, as neglect to mention them

(can't have everyone building fireblades now can we?)

[Squishy]

I just cant see syrens being a viable option for anti FR. The best bet would be to have equal numbers (damage wise) of syren and drake but this is not gonna happen in a hurry. But it would allow you to defend against both xan and zik in small numbers. But for best over all defence its gotta be the drake.

It can take out xans no problem. And it causes sever problems to the ziks. And it can be used in alliance defence.

The syren just cant cut it. you ether leave ur self weak against both medium sized ziks and xans or u make ure self imposible to roid with a xan fr fleet and make a lot of ziks think twice. Also allowing you to protect ur alliance chums.

[NotALegend]

Don't listen to Squishy, the lying thieving sob.

Here's a simple scenario: say, as a terran you have enough resources to build 100 syrens. That could instead give you almost 290 drakes. 290 drakes have a combined armour value of 36250, and a combined damage value of 18850. Compared with syrens who have 39500/21500.

Now, who did you want to meet with your zik FR fleet again? Not only will the syrens kill more of your FR ships, but you'll not be able to steal a single syren.

There's only one reason Squishy wants us to build drakes, and that's not because he wants to help us, but because he wants them for himself! And not only that, he'll bring the drakes with him in his next attacks (killing your remaining drakes). Naughty boy, Squishy!

As to Noah, keep churning out those drakes though. Squishy is right about not spreading yourself thin. You'll not be of much help if you just have a little bit of each, instead of focusing on one of them.

[Squishy]

I hate Drakes their a terrible ship when i steal them they kill all the ships i steal at other planets. But thats nether here nor there. As a zik meeting Drakes is slightly better than meeting syrens i admitt that. But not a lot better. I realise the syren seems better value for money. However

Buying both is just crazy its very very stupid you should consentrate on one. If you buy syrens xan roid you for free without breaking a sweat (they will allwasy have enough bombers to own syrens cos of the cath CR threat) Also most ziks now have a nice number of bombers. So if you have been concentrating on syrens you leave your self open to being roided for free both ether ziks with a fair few bombers or xans of less than your size. Or even worse a combo of both.

They take your roids and you cant even hit them.

Now. If you have been building drakes even tho their not as efficiant the enemy WILL take losses. The drake has good armour so it pretty difficult to steal them in large numbers and they can make a nasty hole in ANY fr fleet before they geta chance to fire. Thus being infinantly better value than the syrens that never fire..

But if people dont want to listen to my advice then thats ok i dont care. More roids i can get the better but dont say i didnt tell ya when your all cursing your dead syrens and no roids and the drake heavy terrans may get roided by the occasional big zik but on ythe whole will be better protected

[NotALegend]

What cath CR threat?

But seriously, I'm still not convinced about your argument that ziks get bombers, etc. Well, they get drakes too (because people listened to your advice, heh), and thus will be able to target drake heavy terrans as well. You cango on about adding this and that, but for any example that gives a disadvantage to syrens, there's another example that gives a disadvantage to drakes.

My point is pure fleets, xan or ziks FR. And it's dead simple: drakes are great against xan FR fleets, and syrens are great against zik FR fleets. And that's why you have buddypacks, galaxy mates, and alliances. To balance these things out. E.g., I'm in a buddypack with a cath and a zik. Since I'm exposed to xan FR attacks, my zik friend can help me out with his thiefs. And you know what, there's something about 2000 thiefs that make those xan FR fleets to never arrive.

Oh, and having said that, I've actually not seen that many xan FR fleets around. They're mostly flinging FI fleets towards me for whatever reasons (obvious one being that their pulsars shoot down my fine looking pegs :/ ).

[noah02]

Right from my experience i havent actually spent pure time buying drakes or syrens yet but from what i have built I have decided to go with drakes for one reason and one reason only.

ALLIANCE DEFENCE

Thats all i have to say on this anti frig matter now because yes squishy or some other zik will want to nick my drakes (which are useful to you squishy coz they are good for alliance defence) but Ships are easily ran away.
Yes syrens are better value for money and do more damage but they dont do shit for your alliance and thats all I care about.
My planet doesnt rule the roost but i can help others to try

[NotALegend]

Fair enough. But enough about the drakes.

I've started building up on gryphons myself, in order to defend myself, and others, against DE attacks (coincidentally the only attacks that have landed at my planet during the past two weeks). What I've found out, is that there's not much anti-DE around. Well, at least not in my galaxy or alliance (YMMV).

Terrans have mostly wyverns, but they are out attacking with the levis (and too slow out-of-gal anyway). Not to mention they're quite vulnerable to chims. Xans and their pulsars are also out attacking. And like wyverns, they're also vulnerable to that other DE-flak: pegs (same init). There's always fireblades, but their firepower is kinda weak so they're not too popular among the Xans. Ziks aren't too heavy on cutters (or they're out attacking as well), and marauders are too slow. Then there's Caths and their vipers. But, quite frankly, there aren't that many viper heavy Cath planets around, as they're struggling with their own problems (please don't whine about it here though ).

That leaves us with gryphons. Not targeted by Terran DE-fleets, they can be quite useful as defence (in-gal and alliance). Well, except Ziks and their mix of every DE ship that exists of course. But that's another story.

Or am I wasting my resources building them? Flame on.

Edit: I seriously need to start proof-reading my posts. Heh.

[noah02]

I have been building a lot of gryphons lately aswell there a pretty awesome ships tbh.
I underestimated them at first but not anymore.

[ChubbyChecker]

Originally Posted by NotALegend

What I've found out, is that there's not much anti-DE around.

If only that were true. I'm also being defended against by some damned Xans and their damned Fireblades. I have never once had gryphons defending against me though.

I like my gryphons, I have used them to defend my alliance a couple of times. Drakes are more useful but what I do is build equal numbers of each so that I can send my gryphons as a fake defence if more anti-frigs are needed.

[NotALegend]

Of course. When you're attacked by a DE-fleet, there's few anti-DE ships around. When you're attacking with a DE-fleet, there's plenty. It's called Murphy's Law.

[noah02]

Just an update.

Still building battleships and have concentrated a bit on dragons nowadays as they scare xans of pretty sharpish without defence from other sources.

Building drakes and gryphon every chance i get for alliance defence as they are pretty much brilliant defence ships.

Syrens i build once a blue moon as they are no good to me for anything useful part from in gal defence which masses of drakes looks better .

Harpys i have 200 tactical harpys.

Nixes i have had 2k the whole round it scares ppl off

chimera,demeter and pegasus are turning out to be handy to use especially when pegs can scare away at least 40% of xans which is 40% less incoming.

[Banned]

Originally Posted by noah02

Harpys i have 200 tactical harpys.

\o/

[Cannon_Fodder]

Originally Posted by noah02

Harpys i have 200 l337 harpys.

GET IT RIGHT

[noah02]

Originally Posted by sniborp

GET IT RIGHT

I got 400 now \o/
I lost 200 yesterday though doing a good old escort of 25 levs on a mission of love on some zik :P
They did me proud when i got 120 roids or something close to that

[ChubbyChecker]

I've actually started building Phoenixes and Dragons now cos I got pissed off at all the shitty little Corvette and Cruiser fleets that thought they could cap roids off me.

So much for my nicely structured fleet

[noah02]

Originally Posted by ChubbyChecker

I've actually started building Phoenixes and Dragons now cos I got pissed off at all the shitty little Corvette and Cruiser fleets that thought they could cap roids off me.

So much for my nicely structured fleet

you never built nixes? and never built dragons ?
Wow.
/me looks stunned

[ChubbyChecker]

No I didn't. As it says higher up in the thread.

[james_s]

Originally Posted by Gate

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Chimera - Personally, I'd consider ignoring this.. terran BS are likely to bring along loads of wyverns anyway...

what on earth are you thinking, you crazy fool?

no chimera = mass terran bs incoming, regardless of how many wyverns he sends. Its your only anti-bs ship, and by god id prefer to attack a terran and cap all his metal roids than plumping for a cat/zik/xan and making do with a bunch of crystal/eonium roids

my chimeras have got me out of many a sticky situation, and thank god i spent a bit of time and money on them