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Unread 1 Dec 2003, 13:24   #1
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Nodrog, and all you other cynics

Now, i know you all clicked on this thread because you think you are one of the other "cynics". For some reason its popular to be one. There arent that many people i'm referring to here.

I have a very simple question for you, which stems from my belief that you may not in fact, exist, in the way other humans do. You're cynical about conventions and actions.. and well, everything. Simple question. Do you believe in love and what it does to people, or is it merely a convention as well?
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Unread 1 Dec 2003, 13:27   #2
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It's the only thing i believe in although I should know better
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Re: Nodrog, and all you other cynics

I doubt you're referring to me, but anyway : Obviously love exists in the form of some kind of psychological reaction. There's various studies on the subject.

What do you mean by "believe in love"? Even if you're anti-love (whatever that means) then I doubt many people believe no-one else feels it.

It's like "beliving in religion" or something. I don't believe in God, I don't think religion is a useful framework of ideas, but it's madness to presume no-one else does (merely based on the evidence).
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Re: Nodrog, and all you other cynics

1) I'm not a cynic.

2) I dont think the word 'love' as most people use it today has any meaning whatsoever. People have a habit of 'wearing out' words, and 'love' is one of the best examples of this - most people dont really know what they mean when they use the term, and I'd go as far to say its become utterly meaningless in most contexts. In a non-linguistic sense however, I most definitely have a conception of love (the idea of 'believing in love' doesnt really make much sense, since it seems to imply that 'love' is some kind of entity which has external existence, which is silly), but the definition I'd use for it would probably be slightly different from most peoples. I think 99% of what people today call 'love' and do 'in its name' is bullshit for instance, and I'd object utterly to the normal "love involves dependence/is unselfish/is a good reason to get married/is irrational/should be shared with others/etc", or anything else which cheapens or devalues something which is incredibly important to me. Romantic poetry kind of turns my stomach too



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Re: Nodrog, and all you other cynics

those that disregard love or object to it in the correct kinda terms, are likely to be those that have never had love, given love or those that can only remember love in memories, rather than in reality

love is the meaning of life!

love is the single greatest and powerfulest emotion to exist, even more so than jealousy

love can be the driving force behind anything, and can be adapted, even if the love its aimed at isn't responding with it back
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cynism is an act.
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Re: Nodrog, and all you other cynics

yes i belive in love however i dont know if iam cynic.
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Re: Nodrog, and all you other cynics

I clicked on here to read what was in here. Not because I'm a cynic. I don't even get what you're on about Robbie!
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I think love is too broad a word now. It can be used to describe so many things, and like Nodrog said, is too overused.

I'll write a longer reply in here after I've been into town. brbrbrbbrbrb.
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I BELIEVE IN A THING CALLED LOVE




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Re: Nodrog, and all you other cynics

Nobody's really a cynic or else you'd just sit in your room denying everything and starving to death*. You can be cynical in relation to various areas of thought though which is just another way of saying you support the unconventional approach.








*Transcending to a higher plane.



PS In my glorious theory of the world love is an attitude held by people towards a concept and has no more real existence than someone's preference for a certain colour.
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Re: Nodrog, and all you other cynics

i dont believe in love, probably because i always go straight to infatuation... im not a major cynic just mostly cant be bothered to think on the positive side of things
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hate is a better driving force

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BTW ... "love" is a temporary chemical inbalance in the brain akin to mental illness (in it's symptoms) which exists long enough for people to get together to make babies.
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Re: Nodrog, and all you other cynics

I feel somewhat suprised i managed to get through this thread without the obligatory "ooh our little deffehs all grown up and is in love" reply.

The reason i directed it towards you nod, (and to a lesser extent you dante, cause i know you're married), was because you seem to take everything down to the rational and i was wondering if id get a "love is a convention / convenience / logical step to reproducing and spreading genes" argument going.
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We've all seen Red Dwarf.


Not everyone has.

Also i happen to have read the science journal reports on this subject.

It was the reports not Red Dwarf i was thinking of when i posted.
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I The reason i directed it towards you nod, (and to a lesser extent you dante, cause i know you're married), was because you seem to take everything down to the rational and i was wondering if id get a "love is a convention / convenience / logical step to reproducing and spreading genes" argument going.


Didn't i just do that?
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logical step to reproducing and spreading genes" argument going.
One of the things people miss from the Evo-Psych arguments is that even if they're totally true, it makes very little difference.

If I see a girl, it's irrelevent that I am "only" finding her attractive because she is the right age/shape/health. It doesn't change the strength of the attraction. Similarly with love. Even if we can show love to be a mere side-effect of pair-bonding, why would this matter?
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One of the things people miss from the Evo-Psych arguments is that even if they're totally true, it makes very little difference.

If I see a girl, it's irrelevent that I am "only" finding her attractive because she is the right age/shape/health. It doesn't change the strength of the attraction. Similarly with love. Even if we can show love to be a mere side-effect of pair-bonding, why would this matter?

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The reason i directed it towards you nod, (and to a lesser extent you dante, cause i know you're married), was because you seem to take everything down to the rational and i was wondering if id get a "love is a convention / convenience / logical step to reproducing and spreading genes" argument going.
That wouldnt be a particularly rational conclusion to draw from the evidence available.
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