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Unread 31 Mar 2006, 00:54   #101
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I doubt that Camberwell and Peckham have a long tradition of producing great art and poetry. Shitty urban music perhaps, but thats about it.
I've no idea how you'd measure this but the Camberwell College of Art has been going more than a hundred years and has an international reputaton, of sorts (it's had 5 Turner Prize winners in the last 21 years if that means anything). More historically, I know John Ruskin owned a house in Denmark Hill (near Kings College Hospital which has a wing named after him) and he used to entertain various artists and poets including Robert Browning (according to a quick google).

So basically yeah, I suspect that even restricting it to fine art and poetry that Camberwell easily punches above it's weight (in some sort of 'artistic production per capita') beyond most of London and certainly beyond almost all of suburbia. And then of course beyond art we'd remember Chaplain is from Camberwell (well, Walworth which is inside the same contitutency) as is Michael Caine.

I'm not sure what that really proves though - abstractions at the level of constituency are (beyond a little fun) rather meaningless. Camberwell & Peckham may be one of the "most deprived" parts of the country, but that's pretty meaningless to the people 200ft from where I'm sitting who are in houses worth more than a million quid. Of course, just across the park we have the Aylesbury Estate which the Daily Mail said was "like the waiting room for hell" and is said to have a crime every four hours. There are advantages to living in a "rich" area if one is poor (less likely to be randomly stabbed, say) but generally life is going to suck pretty hard, and there can be advantages to being surrounded by people of a similar income.
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Unread 31 Mar 2006, 00:58   #102
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denmark hill in ruskins time was actually quite swanky
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Unread 31 Mar 2006, 00:59   #103
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denmark hill in ruskins time was actually quite swanky
It still is. At least compared to most of the rest of Ms Harman's constituency.
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Unread 31 Mar 2006, 01:05   #104
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also, hilariously, the chavtowns link is wrong. trainspotting wasn't filmed in edinburgh. it was set there, but there was nowhere in edinburgh with the sort of ambience of bleak urban decay they were looking for.

so.

where did they actually film the tenement scenes?

go on, guess.

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Unread 31 Mar 2006, 01:08   #105
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I'd rather you didnt, due to the sheer pointlessness of the enterprise. I'm not denying that some Glaswegians have Done Things, I'm just saying that the city is currently a ned-infested shithole. You might as well start listing the achievements of Arabic mathematicians to argue against the claim that Iraq wouldnt be a very nice place to live.


Every city in the UK has chavs, but no other city has them to the extent that Glasgow does. In most places, chavs are a fairly marginal phenomenon, that tends to be played up by the media. But in Glasgow, they are a fairly defining part of the city's culture. I doubt any other major city in Britain comes close to Glasgow in terms of ned-infestation. Its the difference between saying that Hearts and Airdrie have some ties to Unionism, and saying that Rangers do.
Ned infestation in towns and cities is an indirect result of poor education, lack of jobs and opportunities, and basic financial hardship.

The West of Scotland is, economically, ****ed.

Chances of this improving : Zero

How about Jack McConnell considers investing more money into the Education system and improving leisure facilities for more deprived areas instead of pouring cash into the legal system to facilitate more Asbo's?

Ach , what do I care. I just grew up there. I just feel passionately about watching from afar as everything I knew and loved turns to shit because nobody can be bothered to do anything about it.

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also, hilariously, the chavtowns link is wrong. trainspotting wasn't filmed in edinburgh. it was set there, but there was nowhere in edinburgh with the sort of ambience of bleak urban decay they were looking for.

so.

where did they actually film the tenement scenes?

go on, guess.

go on.
Irony of Ironies

They wanted to film it in Craigmillar, but guess what.

THE DIRECTOR DIDNT THINK THE CAST WOULD BE SAFE!

Hence, it was filmed on location in Glasgow.
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Ned infestation in towns and cities is an indirect result of poor education, lack of jobs and opportunities, and basic financial hardship.
nobody was disputing this

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Ned infestation in towns and cities is an indirect result of poor education, lack of jobs and opportunities, and basic financial hardship.
Well yeah, again noone is saying that Glaswegians are genetically inferior to the rest of us. However although economics is certainly an important cause, I would deny that it was the only cause - I think there are also certain cultural attitudes which play a role. The football/religion aspects of Glasgow probably dont help much, nor does the city's tendancy to favour socialist policies and views. Also these things are probably self-reenforcing to some degree - now that we have the archetypical figure of the Glasgow Ned, it gives some people a preformed culture and identity to take on board.

Saying that the ned problem is a result of poverty only moves the problem one step backwards - why is Glasgow significantly poorer than most other cities? Is this purely a statistical thing ("well, there has to be a poorest city and its just coincidence that its Glasgow"), or is there a deeper explanation.

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nobody was disputing this

(dante told you this last page)
Yep, and weve agreed that Glasgow is one of the single most deprived areas financially in Europe.

So im wondering why it is that nobody actually bothers in Parliament to do something about it?

£8bn on National Identity Cards is insane. That could have been used to bring thousands of jobs to areas where theyre desperately needed.

Ahh fuggit, im going to bed. If I continue down this road, im going to end up talking politics and thinking like Dante and for the sake of my sanity, I just cant allow that to happen.

Every time I get idealistic I just get depressed.

**** the lot of them. Jihad on the Politicians. Etc etc.
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Yep, and weve agreed that Glasgow is one of the single most deprived areas financially in Europe.

So im wondering why it is that nobody actually bothers in Parliament to do something about it?

£8bn on National Identity Cards is insane. That could have been used to bring thousands of jobs to areas where theyre desperately needed.

Ahh fuggit, im going to bed. If I continue down this road, im going to end up talking politics and thinking like Dante and for the sake of my sanity, I just cant allow that to happen.

Every time I get idealistic I just get depressed.

**** the lot of them. Jihad on the Politicians. Etc etc.
people have to want to be helped.

there has been no shortage of money poured into glasgow over the years.

I think the glaswegians are happy as they are. perhaps it's arrogant of us to expect them to change.
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haha I was just looking around glasgow survival and found this glaswegian rap; its actually really well produced.

edit: I'm seriously lolling here (prank call)

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haha I was just looking around glasgow survival and found this glaswegian rap; its actually really well produced.

edit: I'm seriously lolling here (prank call)
this is pretty ****ing fantastic
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this is pretty ****ing fantastic
To his credit he takes it really really well at the end, actually comes across as a decent guy.

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It made me think scotsmen are all rather charming.

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I translated it as best i could;



Alright
Aye man what's happenin?
Ohh no much you?
****in bielin man
How whats up man?
****in burd troubles man. Every burd in this scheme is seems to be ****in schemin against me man
****in nae suprise man

Tina fae the Gorbals i met her in Spain
<unintelligible> one night and widnae leave me alaine

Then came Debbie fae a scheme in Dundee
A wee thievin cow like ya widnae believe
Came tae muh house and stole muh bong and PCP's
But she doesnae like rap so she's no the burd for me

Lisa fae <unintelligible> we were better off as mates
Just a bottle of lambrini and she'd end up in a state
Every single week the polis had her name in the book
<unintelligible> in your <unintelligible> is never a good look

Trinny fae the tron tried to gie us <unintelligible>
<unintelligible> but try to chib us if there is a little fight

A met Tanya fae the <unintelligible> and i thought i was in luck
Took her back to mine cause she was tight as ****
Every <unintelligible> that she <unintelligible> was quite bonnie
But she's shy fae her pie and this isnae gettin funny

For a while i wid travel these schemes
Tryin to find the burd of muh dreams
But every little burd that i seemed tae meet
I wish i was back wae muh boys on the street

Hello
Naw i'm in the studio the now ... um recordin
No i cannae honestly
What the Cross?
Alright about nine?
Aye. Alright. Bye.



Rebecca fae Royston has to always gotta get her way
Why does she look on pay day as every ****in day
Maggie <unintelligible / Clyde town?> man what a ****in pain
12 missed calls ... JUST LEAVE ME ALAINE

No sayin too that its a case of me gettin it all
But Cally fae Clydebank she doesnt even bother
But then if i dont phone her she'll go in the huff
But she thinks that seeing us once a month is mair than enough


Kirstin from Coatbridge im tryin to forget
latched onto me right as soon as we met
She had an empty later on back at hame
But on the way there she started talkin about weans
(**** THAT)

Every burd that i meet has a downfall
So if you think your the wan ... JUST WANNAE GEE US A CALL

For a while i wid travel these schemes
Tryin to find the burd of muh dreams
But every little burd that i seemed tae meet
I wish i was back wae muh boys on the street


**** it i'm becoming a monk anyway
The boys are onto <unintelligible / their luder nuts?>
and an endless supply of wine tae
Common the tonic
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I translated it as best i could;



Hello
How are you / What are you up to at the moment?
Not much. How about yourself?
I'm rather angry
Why is that?
Woman troubles. Every woman from the estates is out to get me
I am not suprised

Tina from the Gorbals (part of Glasgow) i met in Spain
<unintelligible> one night and wouldnt leave me alone

The came Debbie from an estate in Dundee
You would not believe how much of a thief she was
She came to my house and stole my bong and PCP
But she doesn't like rap so she's not the girl for me

Lisa from <unintelligible> we were better off as mates
After drinking just a bottle of lambrini she would end up severely intoxicated
Every single week the police stopped her and took her details
<unintelligible> in your <unintelligible> is never a good look

Trinny from the tron (an area of Glasgow) tried to give me <unintelligible>
<unintelligible> but try to stab us if there is a little fight

I met Tanya from <unintelligible> and i thought i was in luck
I invited her back to my place for i felt she was a fine specimen of a lady
Every <unintelligible> that she <unintelligible> was quite pretty
But the girl does not sully her virtue easily and this situation is not funny

I used to travel around
Trying to find a girl of my dreams
But every girl i met
I wish i was back with my male friends

Hello
No i'm in the studio at the moment and i am recording
No i can't honestly
What the Cross? (an area of Glasgow)
Alright about nine?
Yes. Alright. Bye.


Rebecca who is from Royston has always got to get her way
Why does she think that im as rich every day as i am on pay day
Maggie <unintelligible / Clyde town?> what an annoying lady
12 missed calls ... JUST LEAVE ME ALONE

I'm not saying that i do everything i should in a relationship
But Cally from Clydebank (area of Glasgow - ish) she doesnt even bother
But then if i dont phone her she'll go in the huff
But she thinks that if we meet once a month that that is sufficient


Kirstin from Coatbridge im tryin to forget
She attached herself to me as soon as we met
Her house was empty (of her parents) and we could go back there after we were out
But on the way there she started talkin about children
(I DO NOT INTEND ON HAVING A CHILD AT THIS JUNCTURE)

There always seems to be something wrong with every girl i meet
If you think you're different ... PLEASE BE SO KIND AS TO CALL ME

I used to travel around
Trying to find a girl of my dreams
But every girl i met
I wish i was back with my male friends


**** it i'm becoming a monk anyway
The boys are onto <unintelligible / their luder nuts?>
and an endless supply of wine too
Hurrah for Buckfast tonic wine
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From
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is my favourite translation btw
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From
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is my favourite translation btw
now you know the ingratidude i feel when i translate acts of parliament.

or rather you don't

because you had an audience for your effort
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Yeah but you SPEICIFICALLY ASKED ME to translate the song.
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Yeah but you SPEICIFICALLY ASKED ME to translate the song.
yes i did

now you know how i feel. you want gratitude for your effort don't you. you want respect.

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Came tae muh house and stole muh bong and PCP's
But she doesnae like rap so she's no the burd for me
I think this is "stole my Bonkers cds" (it has more continuity with the next line).

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Lisa fae <unintelligible> we were better off as mates
Just a bottle of lambrini and she'd end up in a state
Every single week the polis had her name in the book
<unintelligible> in your <unintelligible> is never a good look
"Lisa fae livvy" (Livingston)
"Spewing down your front doll is never a good look"

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Trinny fae the tron tried to gie us <unintelligible>
<unintelligible> but try to chib us if there is a little fight
Trinny's fae the tron and she gave us a fright
coz the chick would try to chib us if there is a little fight


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Every <unintelligible> that she <unintelligible> was quite bonny
I think the first part is "every item that she owned was <unintelligable>". I dont think the end is 'bonnie' though.


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Rebecca fae Royston has to always gotta get her way
Why does she look on pay day as every ****in day
I'm fairly sure this is wrong, but I cant make out whats its saying either. I'm almost certain that the word 'baby' occurs in the second line though.


Quote:


No sayin too that its a case of me gettin it all
No saying too much but its getting out of order (I think).

Quote:
The boys are onto <unintelligible / their luder nuts?>
"Those boys arent allood (=allowed) their nuts"



That song is class - his delivery and flow are great. I'd quite like to hear more of his stuff :/

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now that we have the archetypical figure of the Glasgow Ned, it gives some people a preformed culture and identity to take on board.
Was their not a similar argument used by someone recently that equated '******', 'black youth' and 'empowerment' in the same breath...
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Personally, I dont think its funny that a 14 year old goes to jail.

ps I thank God every day for living in a country where we dont jail people under 15 for any reason, and try not to jail people under 18 exept in extreme circumstances.
Sadly, we are going the same way as england and the rest of the world. Fear rules our societies, so "they" can do what they want Oh, and you get people like chavs for being hard and having ****ed up societies. You dont get them first and then **** up society to fix it.
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[quote=Nodrog] nor does the city's tendancy to favour socialist policies and views. QUOTE]

What? Please back this up.

The people of glasgow are too politically apathetic and uneducated.

They may vote labour, but they arent socialists. In glasgow people dont despise the unfair advantages the rich have, they ENVY them.
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I suppose living there doesnt count, no?
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Ta for the help Nod.

I've gone through your suggestions and listened to the song again and the result is:

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I think this is "stole my Bonkers cds" (it has more continuity with the next line).
Definately not.

Quote:
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"Lisa fae livvy" (Livingston)
"Spewing down your front doll is never a good look"
Yes

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Trinny's fae the tron and she gave us a fright
coz the chick would try to chib us if there is a little fight
Yes

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I think the first part is "every item that she owned was <unintelligable>".
Yes

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I dont think the end is 'bonnie' though.
I still think it is

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I'm fairly sure this is wrong, but I cant make out whats its saying either. I'm almost certain that the word 'baby' occurs in the second line though.
Definately not

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No saying too much but its getting out of order (I think).
Yes

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"Those boys arent allood (=allowed) their nuts"
Yes
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New and improved version.



MC Laconic presents

Schemin Burds




Alright
Aye man what's happenin?
Ohh no much you?
****in bielin man
How whats up man?
****in burd troubles man. Every burd in this scheme seems to be ****in schemin against me man
****in nae suprise man

Tina fae the Gorbals i met her in Spain
<unintelligible> one night and widnae leave me alaine

Then came Debbie fae a scheme in Dundee
A wee thievin cow like ya widnae believe
Came tae muh house and stole muh bonker's CD's
But she doesnae like rap so she's no the burd for me

Lisa fae livvy we were better off as mates
Just a bottle of lambrini and she'd end up in a state
Every single week the polis had her name in the book
Spewing down your front doll is never a good look

Trinny's fae the tron and she gave us a fright
coz the chick would try to chib us if there is a little fight

A met Tanya fae the Toy and i thought i was in luck
Took her back to mine cause she was tight as ****
Every item that she owned had the Playboy Bunny
But she's shy fae her pie and this isnae gettin funny

For a while i wid travel these schemes
Tryin to find the burd of muh dreams
But every little burd that i seemed tae meet
I wish i was back wae muh boys on the street

Hello
Naw i'm in the studio the now ... um recordin
No i cannae honestly
What the Cross?
Alright about nine?
Aye. Alright. Bye.



Rebecca fae Royston has to always gotta get her way
Why does she look on pay day as every ****in day
Maggie Clyde town man what a ****in pain
12 missed calls ... JUST LEAVE ME ALAINE

No saying too much but its getting out of order
But Cally fae Clydebank she doesnt even bother
But then if i dont phone her she'll go in the huff
But she thinks that seeing us once a month is mair than enough


Christy from Coatbridge im tryin to forget
latched onto me right as soon as we met
She had an empty later on back at hame
But on the way there she started talkin about weans
(**** THAT)

Every burd that i meet has a downfall
So if you think your the wan ... JUST WANNAE GEE US A CALL

For a while i wid travel these schemes
Tryin to find the burd of muh dreams
But every little burd that i seemed tae meet
I wish i was back wae muh boys on the street


**** it i'm becoming a monk anyway
They boys are no allood their nuts
endless supply of wine tae
Common the tonic
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