Demoted by jolt

[alch]

i have been demoted by PATEAM under the request of Geoff, head of Jolt, according to his views. i have been leading a hate-campaign against jolt by letting people sign on a petition and by regrouping the people who cares about the community to show jolt when they make mistake.
if you still dont know what happened then you could read few thread regarding BBW Case and his cheating.

you may read this:

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=178846
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=178850
http://www.petitiononline.com/Cheats/petition.html

i dont really see what the problem, i may understand that i have not been neutral toward jolt, but again theses action were needed as i still think that jolt lack in support for the community.
I find this very insulting to be demoted from a team that i have co-built and have been leading with kal by jolt.
But i can understand them, tho i am very unhappy about the situation.
i am still unsure what i will be doing in the future, but right now i am not Mentor Team co-leader anymore as Jolt "kicked" me out of my own team.

SO i would like to thanks the many people who helped me thru the last round with the team, the member of the mentor team, i hope that the team will continue to do the job he is doing, i hope the manual hosted on PA will assist many players. (i might update the manual on a mirror site with my own content i still havnt decide yet if i wanna do that)
would like to thanks PATEAM, and especially kal who was co-leading with me the Mentor Team. tho i think that some lack of backup/support have been shown, but i understan them.

edit: was nice to find out about all this when i came back from army reserve after being away for 8 days.



Thanks you all.

Please dont post any trolls posts.

[Chaos]

How Shitty. guess that tells us all just what Jolt feels about PA.

Guess it's just a mather of time before they'll scrap it.

[alch]

i dont know if its their official attitude toward PA, but i guess they had to take out the piss on someone, and how conveniant can it be to make the mentor team co-founder the black sheep.

[I am Idler]

nice one Geoff.

you are truely the wonderkid of understanding.

[Lokie]

thats f*cked up alch.

To bad that people who show that they care about pa get treated this way.

[alch]

an reminder: i never was anti-jolt, i am respecting people like biffy who made a lot for PA, i was just raising an issue about some thing that i found unfair and insulting, instead of resolving it, their felt that demoting me would show the community who is the king and who has the last word (which i never tried to challenge)

[Recluse]

I think it shows that Jolt really doesn't care for the opinions of it's customers (as thats what we are) and that they enjoy leading gaming communities in a "Do what I say or else" fashion. The fact that a well respected veteran of the community, who has done so much for said community, would be "attacked" in such a way for attempting to make this game and it's community a better place shows that Jolt doesn't give a crap about us. I think that this action alone is far more effective then anything alch has said in showing the attitude of Jolt.

[I am Idler]

Originally Posted by alch

an reminder: i never was anti-jolt, i am respecting people like biffy who made a lot for PA, i was just raising an issue about some thing that i found unfair and insulting, instead of resolving it, their felt that demoting me would show the community who is the king and who has the last word (which i never tried to challenge)

have no fear. I have a bid for PA underway in a short period of time.

[Chippeh]

The irony... you'd think they would keep people around who are helping new people stay in the game, and thus, making them money.

Just goes to show that people who arn't directly involved with things should just... how to say it... 'stay the hell out of other people's work'

I understand they have to keep on eye on things, but I was under the impression that was biffy's job, and from what I can see they don't really seem to be listening to him...

O well, sry alch, mentor team was a great idea.

-Chippeh

[alch]

hehe, well if something work out, count on me to help again this community as i like this community, until then i dont think i will "feel" like raising even a finger to help jolt run this game after this insulting demotion.
I feel like an idiot than i have been missleaded in several situation :/
they even have my banner on their sites, how that? do geoff know this.. i guess no.

[biffy]

I'm sorry he had to go but we simply cannot permit people who are involved with the game to the level alch was to go around slagging us off and making false statements like he did over the BBW situation. Prior to that I'd found alch to be a valued member of the community and mentor team.

[Precursors]

time for a new free game: PLAN3TARI0N

[Chaos]

BOOOOO.. JOLT GO HOME.. JOLT GO HOME.... BOOOOO

I don't like biffy anymore =(

[alch]

This is your point of view, i never slagged off JOLT personally, i just regrouped the community and show you how much we care. but i guess that any idea of view that is not in the same line as Geoff Point of view is considered as slagging off.

[JC]

He should have been made aware he was working for Jolt. He should have been warned about his behaviour. He should have been sacked personally rather than finding out when he gets back from being away.

Whether or not the decision was right or wrong doesnt bother me, but there are right ways and wrong ways of dealing with something like this. It seems this has been the wrong way.

[pathogen]

I dont know what to say really :/ but either way alch well done with the mentor team u did a gr8 job

[Chaos]

clearly. no mather if they where right to kick him or not. they should have given him a warning first. or atleast told him in person first.

Guess they don't feel ppl working for PA (Jolt) without pay are worth talking to.

[Jay-Em]

and I was thinking to play r12...now I am not so sure...
GG Jolt... :/

[alch]

By the way i have a nice idea regarding this mentor team 10 min after i have been sacked, as i think its all unjust. lets make this mentor team unofficial, then i wont "work" for Jolt, but i guess that for this idea i will have a lot of people who will against it in the PATEAM and jolt, The mentor team is doing something jolt failed to do for the community the past round and i think jolt is happy with the fact that other made it happen and the best way to take over it is to sack one of his co-founder.
how nice.
thanks again.

[alch]

well, basically i have been sacked by jolt thru A2. i would really like to have one of jolt rep explaining me why and how, but i guess they left the Head of PATEAM to do the dirty job.
And on top of that some people from PATEAM asked me to apologize for "what i did" and jolt might reconsider my sacking, i dont know if its was an official advice or just a "go and apologize and pray to be taken back to your own mentor team you co-founded" ROFL.
But i guess i dont think i have to apologize for helping out a community i like, i prefer pay and take the responsabilty of being kicked off...
hope at least it will increase awarness.

[wakey]

Originally Posted by biffy

I'm sorry he had to go but we simply cannot permit people who are involved with the game to the level alch was to go around slagging us off and making false statements like he did over the BBW situation. Prior to that I'd found alch to be a valued member of the community and mentor team.

I have to say I dont recall alch making any false statements ober the BBW case. He wasnt the one who made the whole "payment" to reopen multi accounts claim. As he says he was just involved in getting the community together to show that if that was the case we didnt like it. I mean i signed the petition does that mean your going to ask for me to be sacked for the second time today?

As I said to you in PM earlier biffy, the BBW situation was Jolts own doing. They werent open about what was going on, they didnt post a statement explaining their actions, they didnt let PAteam do so, they didnt seem to let PATeam inform the mods of what was going on ect. So when someone either in Jolt or in PAteam leaked what had happened it became like chinese whispers and no-one around in a mod position knew the goings on to be able to squash the rumour in the bud. If jolt are going to have a shroud of secrecy over things like this you cant then be surpised when twisted versions of the truth appears and those whom are passionate about the game start to try and do something about it

[jerome]

Idler you newbie, hurry :/.

[biffy]

He posted saying we could be bribed into allowing people to multi, amongst other things.

[Wandows]

Originally Posted by biffy

He posted saying we could be bribed into allowing people to multi, amongst other things.

didn't your way of handling the BBW case proved that point? ow wait...

[SilverSmoke]

sucks to be you

[ronnie]

noticed how no Jolt ppl got the bollocks to come and spk up.


****ing wankers is all i can say

[alch]

ronnie, its not that true, biffy is their representative. and he is speaking up.

[Leshy]

I see the reason for my decision to leave PA Team has still not been in any way proven wrong over all this time. Well done, Jolt

And alch, soz for you

[[Blackhawk]]

hmm.. i stay with you alch! i cant see it! this was not good!

[I am Idler]

Originally Posted by biffy

He posted saying we could be bribed into allowing people to multi, amongst other things.

but you can be persuaded to "overlook" the rules if the costumer has given you a bit more pounds than the ordinary man.

nice one

[Smudge]

Originally Posted by biffy

I'm sorry he had to go but we simply cannot permit people who are involved with the game to the level alch was to go around slagging us off and making false statements like he did over the BBW situation. Prior to that I'd found alch to be a valued member of the community and mentor team.

Why the feck dont Jolt understand one simple phrase, which I have used many times on this forum describing Jolt

If it aint broke, dont fix it

If someone who works / represents Jolt in the Mentor environment alch was in, does it mean there freedom of speech is taken away???? If this is so, I advise all PA Team to quit now, as soon they wont be able to say anything negative.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Smudge

If this is so, I advise all PA Team to quit now, as soon they wont be able to say anything negative.

They never have been able to in public.

[mist]

in fairness, biffy is from jolt, has answered and tells the truth.

while i disagree with how they've handled it, they did have to do something

-mist

[*donkie*]

alch, whether or not you deserved to have your position removed from you (I personally think you do not), you have still been mistreated by Jolt - and this, added to the BBW case and other problems the Planetarion commnuity has experienced with Jolt obviously shows us that they have a lack of knowledge and understanding of the Planetarion community and their wishes and views.

I suggest Jolt either gets their act together, or becomes more prepared to sell to a more fitting owner (perhaps someone who has previously been a member of the pa-community and has shown their ability to be objective in situations.)

Jolt =

[biffy]

If someone who works / represents Jolt in the Mentor environment alch was in, does it mean there freedom of speech is taken away???? If this is so, I advise all PA Team to quit now, as soon they wont be able to say anything negative.

Alch was free to constructively criticise, but his "jolt-bashing" was not acceptable from someone who was in his position.

[Kal]

Originally Posted by JC

He should have been made aware he was working for Jolt. He should have been warned about his behaviour. He should have been sacked personally rather than finding out when he gets back from being away.

Whether or not the decision was right or wrong doesnt bother me, but there are right ways and wrong ways of dealing with something like this. It seems this has been the wrong way.

he was sacked personally, otherwise it would ahve been annocuned a whiel ago by me. We would never fire someone in their absence unless they had done something really really evil.

[Gerbie]

We all (probably even Jolt) agree you did a great job at the mentor team.

No need to say anything else: these kind of discussions don't lead to anything as people will not back their words up with details since they can not reveal them. Closing would be good i.m.o.

[alch]

yes, we never said nothing against that, i had a pm from a PATEAM saying "Geoff is making us firing you we cannot do nothing about this" and then i talk to other PATEAM and know that at least some of them were against the decision to sack me off.
now i never received other PM from a jolt rep, just from a PATEAM member informing me that i got sacked and thanks you, then 5 minutes later, i got asked by kal to leave #mentors private channels so he can explain the whole situation without me interfering (just show you how thing are handled, story are given without giving me the basic right to defend myself,) ofc forum access have been removed 2 minutes later, just showing you how fast this whole thing has been done, a little bit more respect and a little bit comprehension from the PATEAM part of at least jolt liaision would have been welcomed.
But no, they had to give me the impression that all was allready closed and deal while i was away and they just waited for me to come online to tell me to "fck off"

thanks guys but after some pm i am getting from PATEAM that accusing me that i am killing PA and that jolt are doing more than anyone then i think i can get the right to be pissed off now.

[I am Idler]

what is really intriguing is that Jolt didnt only buy a game, they bought a entire community with it.. and they are indeed doing a horrible job with that part.

Dropping alch because he spoke out against Jolt will only help decrease the quality of the team.

I kinda like when these things are made public.. lets people know what is going on.

also: to rip up old stuff to show Jolt's basic incompetence.

Planetarion is a hugely popular alliance based, space themed strategy game that can be played using a web browser and Internet chat. The game has been around for almost four years and is now in its tenth iteration, which is its biggest and most ambitious yet. The game is relatively inexpensive to play and comes with a two-week free trial.

this phrase is packed with lies.. is this how you promote all your games ?

[biffy]

From speaking to you afterwards you clearly don't think you have done anything wrong.

[Kal]

Originally Posted by alch

yes, we never said nothing against that, i had a pm from a PATEAM saying "Geoff is making us firing you we cannot do nothing about this" and then i talk to other PATEAM and know that at least some of them were against the decision to sack me off.
now i never received other PM from a jolt rep, just from a PATEAM member informing me that i got sacked and thanks you, then 5 minutes later, i got asked by kal to leave #mentors private channels so he can explain the whole situation without me interfering (just show you how thing are handled, story are given without giving me the basic right to defend myself,) ofc forum access have been removed 2 minutes later, just showing you how fast this whole thing has been done, a little bit more respect and a little bit comprehension from the PATEAM part of at least jolt liaision would have been welcomed.
But no, they had to give me the impression that all was allready closed and deal while i was away and they just waited for me to come online to tell me to "fck off"

thanks guys but after some pm i am getting from PATEAM that accusing me that i am killing PA and that jolt are doing more than anyone then i think i can get the right to be pissed off now.

oh come on i let u say your bit in the channel and on forums, i just wante dto be able to give the offical side to the mentors without interuption, i thoguht u knew me better than that.

[alch]

indeed. i dont think i have been doing anything wrong, but i do understand why your boss did sack me, i guess not anyone can take critics.

[TheBerk]

boo hiss...
ive come back to this game after P2P was introduced (as i can now actually PAY for an account) and the whole place is going to shambles...

[biffy]

but i do understand why your boss did sack me, i guess not anyone can take critics.

He can take criticism, but not the type of posts you were making and especially someone in your position. It's not like you have been banned from the forums - you've been removed from your position because your behaviour wasn't appropriate for someone in that position.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Kal

he was sacked personally, otherwise it would ahve been annocuned a whiel ago by me. We would never fire someone in their absence unless they had done something really really evil.

You do realise that when you delay sacking someone for a particular reason you're then not supposed to say "well I was going to do it but then I had to wait" to everyone afterwards right?

PS Sorry to hear it alch. You seemed like someone who did put something back into the community.

[Jonas]

lmao. what the **** does Jolt have to do with Mentors team?

[Smudge]

Originally Posted by biffy

He can take criticism, but not the type of posts you were making and especially someone in your position. It's not like you have been banned from the forums - you've been removed from your position because your behaviour wasn't appropriate for someone in that position.

Its freedom of bloody speech!!!!! You cant take that away from someone - its a God given right!! Unless Jolt have suddenly become communists and are silencing the masses

[biffy]

Smudge - of course it is, but if someone is disloyal in such a blatant way then it becomes difficult to trust them to carry out their other duties.

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by Smudge

Its freedom of bloody speech!!!!! You cant take that away from someone

That's overreacting.

A company can reasonably demand it's employees not to be negative about their employer in public. In this particular case, however, I feel Jolt has applied the rule with a very black and white approach, and not made any assessment as to whether alch's input into Planetarion was more valuable than his representation of Jolt as a company.

The result is that Jolt is only taking more heat, whereas half-decent management of the situation could have avoided this. It seems, however, that Jolt is lacking in the people management as well as in the public relations department.

[biffy]

He obviously think he's done nothing wrong so we didn't have much in the way of alternatives open to us.