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Unread 31 Oct 2003, 06:46   #1
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Google Takeover
Non linked headline from drudge report : "MICROSOFT EYES GOOGLE TAKEOVER..."

how many people here would stop using google if this ever happened?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/31/te...partner=GOOGLE
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Re: Google Takeover
One can not stop what they never started.

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Unread 31 Oct 2003, 10:04   #3
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Re: Google Takeover
I'd only stop using Google if there was a superior alternative, or if it just became really crap. I'm not sure if it really matters which bunch of venture capitalists end up owning the majority of the stock.
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Re: Google Takeover
Yeah, as long as it still worked fine I'd continue to use it.
Even if Satan himself owned it.
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Re: Google Takeover
Microsoft try and take over everyone. They targetted Squaresoft and Sega when they were working on the XBOX.

If google have any sense they'd email [email protected] subject: FOAD.
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Re: Google Takeover
I thought Microsoft had interests in google already...
In fact when google first arrived wasn't it affiliated with microsoft?
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Re: Google Takeover
It was a Stanford Uni project wasn't it?

Besides people who say they'd stop using Google because it was affiliated in some way with MS need to be culled for their stupidity.
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Re: Google Takeover
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It was a Stanford Uni project wasn't it?

Besides people who say they'd stop using Google because it was affiliated in some way with MS need to be culled for their stupidity.
It's like Linux people (not #linux people) who refuse to use microsoft products because OMG MICROSFOT R EEVILLL!!!!
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Re: Google Takeover
Ignorant elitism =(
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Re: Google Takeover
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Ignorant elitism =(
It's ignorant, but I don't think it's elitism (well, not always). It's just a mistaken view on how things work. People see a company doing morally objectional things (e.g. monopolistic practices) and think it must be due to immoral people running the company, or a bad company culture or something. They don't realise that if we could somehow change history and IBM or Apple were in MS' position they'd have been just as bad (if not worse).

Some companies do seem to be more evil than others of course. So my own take on boycotting is thus : If there's an (almost) equally good alternative from a less evil company I'll go for that.

So today I'm going to buy a pair of boots with some money I won recently. I won't buy Catepillar boots due to their labour-relations record, I'll go with any of the other fine alternatives.

While Google remain the best search engine around, I'll stay with them, as I say. If MS start to **** up the service (as some people suspect they will) by putting Messenger ads all over the place, and obnoxious banners, I simply won't use it.
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Re: Google Takeover
I'll continue to use Google until the point at which the results it's returning become meaningless crap.

Or I could Yahoo! lol!
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Re: Google Takeover
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It's ignorant, but I don't think it's elitism (well, not always). It's just a mistaken view on how things work. People see a company doing morally objectional things (e.g. monopolistic practices) and think it must be due to immoral people running the company, or a bad company culture or something. They don't realise that if we could somehow change history and IBM or Apple were in MS' position they'd have been just as bad (if not worse).

Some companies do seem to be more evil than others of course. So my own take on boycotting is thus : If there's an (almost) equally good alternative from a less evil company I'll go for that.
The Bill Gates foundation gives quite a lot to charity. The total of grants to date are apparently $4.8 billion. I wouldn't say they are necessarily evil. Just rich.
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The Bill Gates foundation gives quite a lot to charity. The total of grants to date are apparently $4.8 billion. I wouldn't say they are necessarily evil. Just rich.
That's very admirable, I'm sure. I'm not sure what proportion of disposable wealth this equates to for the Gates though. Perhaps I am still stuck in a proleterian mindset, but I don't see why billionaires boast about giving money to charity. I presume once you get to the stage of over x million dollars, there's no real (personal) use for money. I mean, once you can afford $1000 per hour call-girls for the rest of your life 24/7, who cares?

But either way, I don't think Bill Gates is evil. And I'm typing this on a MS (sorry M$) keyboard in either case.
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I don't think he does boast. He just gives it. As far as I'm aware, it's generally the recipients who make it known.
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Only a communist would make altruism evil.
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Its not altruism it's paternalism. The poor don't want to live on handouts, they just don't want to be ground down by the machinery of capitalism (which is oiled by the blood of the workers)
Why are you turning all charity into the giving of handouts to the poor when that's quite obviously not the case?
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I see you've got a very balanced point of view here.
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I admit that there exists a possibly of supposedly altruistic acts being caused by other means, but to deny the possibility of altruism is an absolutism that I haven't subscribed to.

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May I draw the attention of the court to the fact that you're doing exactly the same in the other thread.
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Microsoft would probably make it a pay site.
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Indeed, like they've made MSN Messenger and the MSN Chatrooms a pay service. Like they've made their online servers a pay service.

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I dont care about all the arguments here.
Microsoft should not own the most important web searching tool, for everyone's sake they've got enough influence already on the whole market. I hope the google owners realize they play a very important role in more than just their own bank account
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Or I could Yahoo! lol!
Yahoo! search IS Google

Anyway, only 15% of Google is being offered on the market. Not exactly enough for a takeover!
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It is possible to believe one is being altrusitic when one is actually being paternalistic. For instance Marie Antoinette held parties for "the poor folk", now she did this out of the goodness of her heart but clearly the sheer tastelessness and insensitvity of this act beggars belief.

Similarly you cannot divulge yourself of your responsibility to the poor by putting a few coins in a box, we owe the poor therefore charity is self-felating.
Again, you're assuming all charity targets the poor.
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I don't think he does boast. He just gives it. As far as I'm aware, it's generally the recipients who make it known.
I wasn't referring to him personally but :

"The foundation was created in January 2000 [...] the Seattle-based foundation has an endowment of approximately $25 billion through the personal generosity of Bill and Melinda Gates."
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/AboutUs/

From the Foundation website. I'm sure he could have kept it all anonymous, or called the foundation something other than his own bloody name. When I'm a benovelent billionaire I'm going to call my foundation the "Dante Hicks Fund for Helping Those Less Fortunate, Aren't I Wonderful?"

And most charity does tend to target the poor, or needy. Otherwise there wouldn't be much point. This particular foundation aims to achieve (or assist) in equit in health and education, which certainly implies charity for the poor.
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It's like Linux people (not #linux people) who refuse to use microsoft products because OMG MICROSFOT R EEVILLL!!!!
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I'd stop using it if they put shitty popup ads all over it and made it generally commercial and crap, like 90% of MS's sites.
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I'm from #linux, I use Windows.
I think that's what he said
"not #linux people"
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I'd stop using it if they put shitty popup ads all over it and made it generally commercial and crap, like 90% of MS's sites.
Use... opera?
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Use... opera?
Then you can have some problems with stylesheets on some MS sites...
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From the Foundation website. I'm sure he could have kept it all anonymous, or called the foundation something other than his own bloody name. When I'm a benovelent billionaire I'm going to call my foundation the "Dante Hicks Fund for Helping Those Less Fortunate, Aren't I Wonderful?"
I could defend him here, but I can't be bothered. Personally, I think this is a case when ends justify the means.
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Then you can have some problems with stylesheets on some MS sites...
That sounds like balshy talk to m... hold on a minute!
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