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Unread 20 Aug 2006, 20:50   #1
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[Hollywood] Nicole Kidman fights terrorism

Who'd have thought it?!?! Shes a right wing nut.

This hasn't been mentioned in the british press and only happened on it by chance,

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We the undersigned are pained and devastated by the civilian casualties in Israel and Lebanon caused by terrorist actions initiated by terrorist organisations such as Hezbollah and Hamas," the ad reads.

"If we do not succeed in stopping terrorism around the world, chaos will rule and innocent people will continue to die.

"We need to support democratic societies and stop terrorism at all costs."

Im confused which way their moral compasses are set on this one, are they supporting hamas or not

Israel's breach of the ceasefire was also interesting, i doubt hezbollah doing likewise would have passed as unnoticed as this (or maybe comments will be given tomorrow). So after a month of war we're at a situation where they're no closer to getting their two soilders back, have decimated an entire nation, increased support for their enemy perhaps even amongst those that aren't their ideological brethrin within lebanon, killed hundreds spent tens of millions and trying to get out of this with something to hold up as 'winnars'
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Unread 20 Aug 2006, 21:36   #2
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Shes a right wing nut.
I'm not really sure that's the natural conclusion from reading that link.
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I'm not really sure that's the natural conclusion from reading that link.

or shes with the pro war left* or in the hands of hollywood's jews**


*though this would mean the democrats which are more into globalisation tha the republicans

** mel gibson would sort her out
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Re: [Hollywood] Nicole Kidman fights terrorism

Dude, declaiming a mad man who launches missiles at civilians does not qualify one for being a 'nut' of any sort.
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Re: [Hollywood] Nicole Kidman fights terrorism

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or shes with the pro war left* or in the hands of hollywood's jews**
Or she's none of these at all and just wants deaths in Israel (and Lebanon) to stop. To be honest, the only part of the statement which is particularly objectionable is that this has been "caused by terrorist actions initiated by terrorist organisations such as Hezbollah and Hamas". But given the hugely biased media in the United States plus the blindspot that most American's (yeah, I know she's an Aussie) have about Israel is unsurprising.

I think the point is that it's difficult to reach a definite conclusion about someone's politics from such an isolated statement. According to a snippet from the NY Times her parents were very liberal and this link says all her donations have been to Democrats. I'm not sure she's pro-war (I presume you mean Iraq here), a quick Google doesn't show up much. Either way I'm reading this article as "Local Idiots Show Misunderstanding of International Politics"* rather than "Cadre Of Right Wing Bigots Call For Final Annihilation Of Dirty Arab Scum".
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though this would mean the democrats which are more into globalisation tha the republicans
I'm not sure what this globalisation comment is related to.

* = Obviously I'm sure some of the people on the list (e.g. Rupert Murdoch) can safely be called right-wingers.
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Re: [Hollywood] Nicole Kidman fights terrorism

the second post was tongue in cheek
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Dude, declaiming a mad man who launches missiles at civilians does not qualify one for being a 'nut' of any sort.
Calling for democracy and democratic societies then ignoring the administration the palestinians elected doesn't seem very consistent.
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Re: [Hollywood] Nicole Kidman fights terrorism

i have to think that 'current events' have put a lot of strain/tension in a hollywood that has historically had a happy consensus.
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Re: [Hollywood] Nicole Kidman fights terrorism

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Calling for democracy and democratic societies then ignoring the administration the palestinians elected doesn't seem very consistent.
Why? I'd call for democracy and I'd condemn the Israeli government.
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the second post was tongue in cheek
And your first wasn't? Oh.
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Calling for democracy and democratic societies then ignoring the administration the palestinians elected doesn't seem very consistent.
Even if democraticly elected, and a case can be made that it wasn't, if the government either launches attacks at a neighbor or allows a group of individuals who have control of the military power within its borders to launch attacks against a neighbor (Hamas and Hezbollah both qualify in this regard) then should it make a difference whether the folks ostensibly running the government are there through election or otherwise.

Leabanon elected there government of which a small group were Hezbollah but Hezbollah runs the country. When the Lebanese elected individuals who were not pro Syrian they were assassinated. Great democratic credentials.
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Why? I'd call for democracy and I'd condemn the Israeli government.
Condemn and ignoring are two completely different things, i wasn't aware you'd cut off all communication with israel and refused to recognise its government.


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And your first wasn't? Oh.



Well ok the nut job thing was but i stand by my point, what they've said is contradictory. They're espousing democracy but point blank refusing to recognise a democratically elected government.

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Even if democraticly elected, and a case can be made that it wasn't, if the government either launches attacks at a neighbor or allows a group of individuals who have control of the military power within its borders to launch attacks against a neighbor (Hamas and Hezbollah both qualify in this regard) then should it make a difference whether the folks ostensibly running the government are there through election or otherwise.
Im not sure what you're point is.
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Re: [Hollywood] Nicole Kidman fights terrorism

You don't have to be a nut job to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah any more than you have to be a nut job to condemn Isreal.
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Re: [Hollywood] Nicole Kidman fights terrorism

One ****ing bit and they all jump on it

I hereby drop all accusations of being 'nut jobs'
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