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JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 17:02

For buying a less expensive ticket than the one I should have bought (and then lying about my address).

So on the 25th of May I have to appear before the District Court and probably pay some stupid fine. How fantastically gay.

NEWSBOT3 · 28 Apr 2004, 17:03

lol.

so, you broke the law and got caught, bascially ?

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 17:04

Yeah. Poor form to get caught wasn't it

MrL_JaKiri · 28 Apr 2004, 17:04

What's this?

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 17:05

I forgot to include the word "train" or "railway in the first post". My "bad".

MrL_JaKiri · 28 Apr 2004, 17:06

I thought that would be it.

Anyway, you're a bad bad man. Like Nicholas Cage.

Sandsnake · 28 Apr 2004, 17:09

"oops"

ChubbyChecker · 28 Apr 2004, 17:11

You fought the law and the law won.

My mate tried to get a refund on a train ticket when we were at Uni. He said that he hadn't used the ticket and asked for a refund. The Railway Police decided to come round our house and accuse him of lying. Took him about 3 seconds to crack under the pressure and admit to it. Then they cautioned him!

The moral to the story? Don't mess with the Railway Police!

MrL_JaKiri · 28 Apr 2004, 17:14

They have guns and big robots.

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 17:19

I wonder if I can make a case for selective prosecution. I know my dad consistently takes the train without a ticket, has been "caught" by conductors numerous times without one and the conductor always just goes "hay wtf who cares". You can be guaranteed if I was some old man they wouldn't have done this.

I have been wronged by the overbearing authoritarian bureaucracy, side with me GD!

MeridianStar · 28 Apr 2004, 17:36

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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

I wonder if I can make a case for selective prosecution. I know my dad consistently takes the train without a ticket, has been "caught" by conductors numerous times without one and the conductor always just goes "hay wtf who cares". You can be guaranteed if I was some old man they wouldn't have done this.

I have been wronged by the overbearing authoritarian bureaucracy, side with me GD!

Don't think it was particularly selective, just think you were the poor unfortunate bugger that managed to get caught.

Proteus · 28 Apr 2004, 17:46

If you lied about your address, how did they know where to send the summons to?

Anyway, use the fact that you bought a ticket as an excuse, and claim that you were confused (drunk) at the time, and that the train company deliberately makes its ticket policy complicated to confuse poor drunken Irishmen such as yourself.

Then claim that you only gave a false address because you were threatened and intimidated by the ticket collector. He presumably won't be there, so you can portray him as a 6'7'' goliath with an enormous beard and a battleaxe. Mention that you are considering charging him with assault and suing the train company for emotional distress.

Good luck, anyway, whatever happens.

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 17:49

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Originally Posted by MeridianStar

Don't think it was particularly selective, just think you were the poor unfortunate bugger that managed to get caught.

Nah, loads of people get away with it (including me) every day. Obviously I encountered some guy on a really shit day who didn't like the look of me. What staggeringly bad luck

Sandsnake · 28 Apr 2004, 17:50

claim you don't remember any of it. "Failure to recall" worked great for Ollie North back in the 80's....

NEWSBOT3 · 28 Apr 2004, 18:04

Criminal!

Kurashima · 28 Apr 2004, 18:08

Im going to ask the admins to change your name to JonnyBBadd now.

He was a flamboyant/homosexual wrestler in the 90's you know.

Apothos · 28 Apr 2004, 18:10

Just dont turn up.

If you get a fine they'll notify you through the post. Then you can claim you never got it when you get a summons for not paying it.

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Proteus

If you lied about your address, how did they know where to send the summons to?

I used to have an ID there for getting reduced fare tickets and shit. Problem was I gave him my name before I realised what he was doing heh. Usually you just pay the guy who's standing there the fare.

Tomkat · 28 Apr 2004, 18:17

I hid in the toilets whenever I saw the conductor coming along once, for a 2 hour long journey.

It made the trip kind of exciting.

Marilyn Manson · 28 Apr 2004, 18:28

I took a free Metro journey once and I was never caught.

NEWSBOT3 · 28 Apr 2004, 18:33

i just pay for my train journeys.

a shocking concept these days, i know.

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 18:35

Yes, but I'm fantastically cheap and poor and unbelievably paying for my ticket would be a considerable drain on my financial resources.

Marilyn Manson · 28 Apr 2004, 18:37

I hope you go to prison and get banged up the behind by a convict hunk every day. That's what I'd want.

NEWSBOT3 · 28 Apr 2004, 18:37

i can outdo you for poorness any day of the week.

if i cant afford i don't go.

if its necessary to go i find a way to afford it.

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 18:39

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Originally Posted by NEWSBOT3

i can outdo you for poorness any day of the week.

if i cant afford i don't go.

if its necessary to go i find a way to afford it.

Right now I have precisely 2 euro in my wallet and 6 euro in the bank. And I don't usually go, it's college heh.

Leshy · 28 Apr 2004, 18:41

To sum it up, this means that either:

You gave your name, knowing that they'd be able to find your address, then lied about your address, putting you in court rather than get a fine.
You gave up a false address, and then while lying about your alternative personality gave him your real name.

You're a sucky criminal

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 18:42

The first one. And it's the same fine anyways.

NEWSBOT3 · 28 Apr 2004, 18:42

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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Right now I have precisely 2 euro in my wallet and 6 euro in the bank. And I don't usually go, it's college heh.

so if you dont usually go wheres the problem with paying for the times when you do ?

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 18:44

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Originally Posted by NEWSBOT3

so if you dont usually go wheres the problem with paying for the times when you do ?

Because I have no money all the time, and when (on those rare and special occasions) I do I spend it on things far more important to me than public transport.

NEWSBOT3 · 28 Apr 2004, 18:46

so what your saying is you object to paying for travel but you have no problem wasting it on drink ?

Leshy · 28 Apr 2004, 18:46

Dutch students don't have to pay for public transport

Marilyn Manson · 28 Apr 2004, 18:47

What Jonny is saying is that he is a penniless worthless drunken bum who probably likes breaking the law for the thrill of it.

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 18:49

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Originally Posted by NEWSBOT3

so what your saying is you object to paying for travel but you have no problem wasting it on drink ?

That's pretty much it yeah. Seeing as the rise in ticket prices is a country mile ahead of the rate of inflation and I don't quite feel that the CIE drivers or station-workers have the most difficult jobs I don't feel like I'm cheating anyone out of their hard-earned cash.

NEWSBOT3 · 28 Apr 2004, 18:50

Interesting approach.

i wonder if its rooted in this whole 'not taking responsibility for your own actions' thing that young people seem to have going on these days.

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 18:53

I am taking responsibility. I beat the system for eight years, they finally caught me and now they're giving me some shit fine. Nobody lost from what I did (to any extent they'd realise) and I gained a lot. I'll probably still do it as well.

PS don't talk as if you're 50 man heh

NEWSBOT3 · 28 Apr 2004, 19:01

i fking feel like im 50.

if you object to paying, you dont use the system, thats all there is too it.

any other course of action is against the law, and frankly i support measures to make sure people like you get caught faster (ie, all major stations checking tickets when you leave/enter).

besides, you not paying pushes the ticket prices up anyway, since the rail companies have to have higher prices since theyre making less money from their trains as 90% of their customers arent paying.

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 19:05

It's public transport. They've been operating at a loss for time immemorial, and me not paying makes not the slightest iota of difference (re: the tragedy of the commons). If they had tickets checked all the time I'd probably pay though.

NEWSBOT3 · 28 Apr 2004, 19:07

i disagree that it makes a difference, in the same way that you not voting makes a difference.

the problem is that people a a whole need to change their actions, not just one or two individuals.

anyway, i need to fk off and get some work done. Final year project is due in friday.

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 19:09

Objectively speaking it doesn't make a difference. I'll probably pay soon actually as I intend on getting a job and when I do the relative significance of the train fare won't bother me.

Good luck with your project though!

MrL_JaKiri · 28 Apr 2004, 19:16

The best thing about the rail service is that the maximum fine is the ticket price, and as I don't have a railcard at the moment, I can't lose.

Evergreen · 28 Apr 2004, 20:40

Perhaps you should stop drinking, that would mean you wouldn't be so poor.

I personally hope they hit you with a heavy fine you reprobate.

MrL_JaKiri · 28 Apr 2004, 20:41

He wouldn't be irish then.

What do you want him to do next, stop beating women?

Ragnarak · 28 Apr 2004, 20:57

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The best thing about the rail service is that the maximum fine is the ticket price

Are you sure?

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Evergreen

Perhaps you should stop drinking, that would mean you wouldn't be so poor.

No, that'd make me sad and lonely. I'd just spend my money on something to amuse myself while being sad and lonely.

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I personally hope they hit you with a heavy fine you reprobate.

I personally hope you get hit by a fast-moving train you retard.

MrL_JaKiri · 28 Apr 2004, 21:15

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Originally Posted by Ragnarak

Are you sure?

That's what it says on trains round here.

'You may be fined up to the maximum cost of the ticket'

IncubusGod · 28 Apr 2004, 21:19

Johnny....they sent you a summons after finding your 'real' address. Why not claim your not the same person they caught? How will they proove your the same guy? You live at a different address than what they were given,why not argue they were also given a false name and that some cheeky bugger has landed you in the shit?

Embroglio · 28 Apr 2004, 21:22

why would someone else give his name and the wrong address?

JonnyBGood · 28 Apr 2004, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Embroglio

why would someone else give his name and the wrong address?

I don't think you quite got the idea.

I might try that though!

IncubusGod · 28 Apr 2004, 21:33

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why would someone else give his name and the wrong address?

Maybe they'd just make up a name and an address and it just happened to be Johnnys name?

I mean,if you make up a fairly plausable name like say..Mike O'Neill and say you live at 24 Redwood Gardens or something and they go to find that person and find there's no-one at that address who's to say that a Mike O'Neill that lives 10 miles away is the same person who gave the false address?

Go for it Johnny...y'never know. If your found out it might make things worse though

Embroglio · 28 Apr 2004, 21:36

okay, so why did jonny give his own name?