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Unread 26 Jul 2005, 22:53   #1
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..but it would be nice if we could do this yet again (has been a few years since I saw it)

Where do you stand

It is a political test to see where you stand in the political compass.

Maybe we could also post what parties we voted for in the last election/are going to vote for in the next.

And maybe wich country we are from...
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Unread 26 Jul 2005, 23:11   #2
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i swung from slightly to the left over to the middle then to the right as my exgf pushed her hippy ideals onto me about saving the planet.

(it just made me mad so i ended up wanting to bomb poor people and stealing their oil or expoiting them with capitalism)
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Unread 26 Jul 2005, 23:14   #3
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74

In the last election I did not vote. It would have required a nearly 1 1/2 hour round-trip to vote in a Labour stronghold. If I did vote it would probably would have been for the Lib Dems as I didn't want to vote Labour due to the lies and the such, and I don't vote tory.

I don't know who I will vote for in the next election as it all seems to me to be a bit pointless at the moment. the main parties are shit and the little parties wouldn't have a clue what to do if they actually won.

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Unread 26 Jul 2005, 23:25   #4
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Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41

UK, voted Conservative at the last election to attempt to reduce Labour's unhealthy large majority (in a seat where the Lib Dems couldn't win).


I'm an Independent, not affiliated to any political party.
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Unread 26 Jul 2005, 23:32   #5
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Economic Left/Right: 1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44

A happy semi centrist position. I'll vote either way but sympathise with the right more often than the left.

Strange, a year ago I was far more liberal; seems it has swung the other way now.

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Unread 26 Jul 2005, 23:32   #6
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Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38

same-ish as last time, and the time before that...

UK, voted Labour last time, was leaning towards Lib Dems but live in a constituency where they always come 3rd so the anti-tory strategic vote was preferable.
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Unread 26 Jul 2005, 23:38   #7
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49

Voted lib dem last election...
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.46


uk, voted greens last time
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Unread 26 Jul 2005, 23:47   #9
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economic left/right -2.63
social libertarian/authoritarian -2.77

voted for GW Bush

Depends on who is running. Will not under penalty of death vote for Hilary Clinton.
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Depends on who is running. Will not under penalty of death vote for Hilary Clinton.
why not, exactly?
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Unread 27 Jul 2005, 00:07   #11
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+9.13, -4.97

Questions are slightly less stupid than before, but still stupid.
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Unread 27 Jul 2005, 00:12   #12
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why not, exactly?
I do not trust her.
I have not catalogued all of the things which I have been made aware of over the years but have formed the opinion that she has one aim in mind and that is personal power. She claims to be the voice of the little man and yet she is more aristocratic in her attitude toward anyone who isn't a big fish that it makes me want to puke.

She makes Nixon look shy and retiring. I hated Nixon. I get the same feeling from her that I got from Nixon. Like Nixon, if she feels you are her political adversary, she will stoop to any depths to try to take you out. Her and James Carvel have refined the politics of personal destruction to new levels of venom.
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Unread 27 Jul 2005, 00:27   #13
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64

i am still pro gandhi.
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Economic Left/Right: 6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49

Switzerland - voting right-liberalism.
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77



I am not too impressed with the quiz tho *shrug*
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...2.13&soc=-2.05
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Economic Left/Right: 5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

I guess a degree in Economics has pushed my Economic level from around -2 three years ago to +5 upon graduation.

Surprised with -5.44 on the Social Scale. I was hovering around the -7 point a few years back. Oh how minds change!
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.46

Last election i wasn't old enough to vote (but only by 2 months ), but i probably would've voted Lib Dem
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.59

I don't vote. Whatever party you vote for, the goverment wins!
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My political compass did not change since we did this last time, but I noticed they took Jean Chretien off the chart. I was closest to him then. Now I'm somewhere between Gerhard Schroeder and Nelson Mandela.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.21

2004: did not vote
2002: straight republican
2000: about half republican, half democrat and one libertarian. (Voted for Gore for pres. and a libertarian for my personal representative in House of Representatives)
Before 2000: I normally vote for people based on what they say they believe and their record not parties.

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Economic Left/Right: 5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

The economic one seems to have more or less stayed the same since last time but I think the social one has changed from around 2.

I voted Conservative in the last election and live in Wales.
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Answering how I presume they mean the questions to read. Some of the questions depend on what exactly they mean - if they mean in general or under today's social arrangements, etc. My traditional objections against this kind of thing still stand (see the older threads).

I'm from London, in the UK. I didn't vote at the last election for the reasons Snurx gives <3.

The last time I voted in national elections was 1997 I think, where I voted for Comedian Mark Steele who was standing for the Socialist Alliance.
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didnt change a bit since the last time
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I do not trust her.
I have not catalogued all of the things which I have been made aware of over the years but have formed the opinion that she has one aim in mind and that is personal power. She claims to be the voice of the little man and yet she is more aristocratic in her attitude toward anyone who isn't a big fish that it makes me want to puke.

She makes Nixon look shy and retiring. I hated Nixon. I get the same feeling from her that I got from Nixon. Like Nixon, if she feels you are her political adversary, she will stoop to any depths to try to take you out. Her and James Carvel have refined the politics of personal destruction to new levels of venom.
and yet you voted for Bush?
says a lot about your 'great country' that you voted for the candidate that represents your view the least.
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Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38

Last time I took this test it was a very different story (I think I posted the result here but cant find the thread - must have been purged). I think it was Something like

Economic Left/Right: -0.2
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.4

Was practically neutral anyways. I suspect in the last few years my thinking has changed somewhat, i appear to be getting more left wing anyways.......
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Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95

About a year ago I was -6, -2.
I think the most the change was the random factor due to stupid questions (do I answer what they are trying to ask here, or what they're actually asking?), and I used very few 'strongly'.


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over there with ghandi.
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Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.13

Also heading towards the likes of Ghandi heh.

I've always voted and shall continue to vote for Liberal Party (Australia).

..and I'd sooner off myself than vote for the Labour party under any means. They are a concern at the moment, we are almost a one party nation, with only the position of PM being held by Liberal, all states & territories are otherwise under Labour control.
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-7.63, -8.15.

i realise dante will probably scoff at me getting a high libertarian rating on account of my view that if we're going to give the police and government enormous power, we might as well give them ones targeted at doing their stated jobs, rather than leaving them to invade other countries or stop-and-search random black people to pass the time; for my part i think it's about accurate.
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i realise dante will probably scoff at me getting a high libertarian rating[...]if we're going to give the police and government enormous power
Well this is the issue. The test (and any test which has yes/no type responses) presumes you're accepting certain boundaries and so don't really reflect unconventional/unexpected/"extreme" political views very well.

So the question "Do you think the rich pay too much tax". I don't really know how to answer that. I don't think anyone should pay tax, so yes I guess they do. But then I know they're interpreting that as an anti-equality view, which it's not. Their left/right-economic axis is full of the same misconceptions they criticise at the beginning of their test. Do I think corporations should be regulated by the government? Well I don't want either to exist. Which box do I tick?

A better type of test would probably be some sort of full-length RPG where you're shown a full range of situations and see how you react to each, where your sympathies lie or something (chaotic good for life!). But then again who could be ****ing bothered?
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So the question "Do you think the rich pay too much tax". I don't really know how to answer that. I don't think anyone should pay tax, so yes I guess they do. But then I know they're interpreting that as an anti-equality view, which it's not. Their left/right-economic axis is full of the same misconceptions they criticise at the beginning of their test. Do I think corporations should be regulated by the government? Well I don't want either to exist. Which box do I tick?
In my opinion the worst question is "It's fine for society to be open about sex, but these days it is going too far." What if you don't think it's fine for society to be open about sex? Do you click disagree? You can't do that because it suggests it isn't going too far when it has already.

At least they changed that question which used to read something like "Businessmen mostly only wish to benefit themselves". Well I think most people agree with that, but the options were agree/disagree when ethical/unethical would have made far more sense.
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Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

A drastic swing to the left, same as usual on the Liberal scale.

No party affiliation, but i do have a gigantic Liberal Democrat banner hanging from my ceiling.

Voted Lib Dem last time obviously in Stirling, which was a safe Labour seat (and still is). Would vote for my local Labour MP in East Ren (he lives accross the road and is a nice guy)

I'd pretty much vote for anyone to keep the Conservatives out.
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im doing the test now but i thought id stop to ask a question...

what on earth is this supposed to prove?

"When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things."

???

and this:

"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."

its clearly true, but how is your answer meant to effect your political compass?

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finished,

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Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

I live in london/manchester UK and voted for the lib dems at the last election. Although i dont belong to any parties as i dont agree with significant amounts of all of their policies.
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well, it clearly is an advatage, isnt it? it doesnt ask if that advatage is enough to counter the disadvatages of such a system.
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well, it clearly is an advatage, isnt it? it doesnt ask if that advatage is enough to counter the disadvatages of such a system.
thats pretty much what i was getting at.

I strongly agreed anyway, so it will probably assume im some sort of fascist now.
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I don't do online politics tests. I've never seen a single one that wasn't seriously flawed in some way.
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I don't do online politics tests. I've never seen a single one that wasn't seriously flawed in some way.
If you saw pictures of a Tory candidate and a Labour candidate standing side-by-side, but one of them was wearing knee-length leather boots, a long coat and sunglasses, would your vote be swung by this fact or not, even if it meant voting for the 'other' side.
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Women and ethnic minorities have enough trouble achieving selection, so I seriously doubt that a goth would ever be selected to fight a seat by either Labour or the Tories.
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stop avoiding the question by bringing "reality" into it.
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I can only talk about reality. Ideally, goths would rule the world as a kind of enlightened aristocracy, but that's not going to happen, alas, alas.
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Im only slight less of a libertarian than Gandhi and Nelson Mandela, and im almost entirely a lefty now .... thats a horrific shift since i last took this test, and im guessing a good portion of the changes to my psyche have come about thanks to anti terror legislation and the actions of individuals in the name of their god.

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Do I think corporations should be regulated by the government? Well I don't want either to exist.
I am sure that you have probably expanded on this thought in other threads at other times but I am interested in what you think society would be like if both were abolished. Or is society another thing which would be abolished. I ask this with all due respect and NOT our of a desire to argue about it. It is a concept that is foreign to me and a point of view that I would like to understand even if I don't agree with it.
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am interested in what you think society would be like if both were abolished.
Well, it depends what you mean by abolished and what form the abolition took. If suddenly we woke up tomorrow and there was no government (or more specifically, no services which are currently provided by what we call government) then the world would be worse for many people (probably most or nearly all in the Industrial World - I don't know what the situation is exactly like in India/China or most of Africa). This certainly applies to corporations too. People often make very simple (and silly) cases like "Well, most of your food comes from corporations so you'd starve without them!" - obviously no-one is advancing the idea that an economic/political vacuum is particularly desirable and I'm not saying we rip these things down right away.

And this is a key point. The Communist Party in Russia and the Apartheid Regime in South Africa were both blights on their respective nations, yet in some senses for some the situation was worse directly after their abolition/end. This is to not to say that either system was somehow secretly brilliant, more that often transition (if handled incorrectly) can be painful and often "some system" is better than "no system" even where the "some" is highly flawed.

But if you mean abolition over time and in the correct manner then this is a different issue. I suspect that in the longer term the world would be a better place without either institution. Of course, I am speaking specifically - I am not referring to "all businesses run by private individuals for personal financial gain" when I say corporations, and I am also not referring to "all services provided not-for-profit on a regional/national basis" when I say government.

How the world would look specifically is a very difficult question, and in some senses is impossible to answer. If corporations are abolished in a thousand years time then the world would look very different to if they were abolished next week (i.e. our social relations depends very highly on prior / existing technological or economic development). On top of this, there is something perverse about a libertarian giving a top-down account of how things should be. On many fields, I have no idea how they do/will/should operate - and neither do I claim to. I can speak on subjects I know a little about, more generally but how (say) sewage would be handled is totally beyond me. I would imagine that those who work in such an industry would have a great number of ideas, but you'd need to speak to them about that.

Sketching generally I would like to imagine that in the long term government (that is bodies which we are obliged to obey/fund under ultimate threat of violence) would be gradually replaced by voluntary bodies acting out of the spirit of solidarity and self-development. Corporations too, although I suspect there will always be for-profit organisations, I just hope they are not given immortal personage as is currently the case.

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Economic Left/Right: 2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.31

So that's why I have so many red blobs! I'm a Facist Neo-Liberalist in a forum full of Anarchistic Communists! I landed slap bang in the middle of Tony Blair, Jacques Chriac and Gehrad Schroder on their little chart.

Either the majority of this forum's members represent a minorty of society or the Greens are going to win the next election by a huge landslide.
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Thank you. I understand that libraries are full of books about how things should be organized this way and that way. It is much more interesting to talk to someone about their own ideas. Interactive learning so to speak.
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Dante is a great advocate of 'interactive learning' as well. Especially with regards to 17-year old emo kids whose tight little cheap PVC skirts don't quite hide their smooth thighs and pert little asses.

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So that's why I have so many red blobs! I'm a Facist Neo-Liberalist in a forum full of Anarchistic Communists! I landed slap bang in the middle of Tony Blair, Jacques Chriac and Gehrad Schroder on their little chart.

Either the majority of this forum's members represent a minorty of society or the Greens are going to win the next election by a huge landslide.
I think it has more to do with your almost legendary lack of ability at CS.

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