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Unread 30 May 2005, 10:51   #1
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ID Card costs soar

So it seems that instead of being forced to pay £85 for an invasion of our privavcy we may now have to pay £300.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/pol...p?story=642652
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I somehow doubt the government would have so little sense to directly charge people £300 a go.
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Directly, indirectly we're* still paying for it and it's still a waste of money.


*read: the taxpayer, which is not me at the moment
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Re: ID Card costs soar

I have n`t even got £300 to spare for an ID card. Where am I going to get that sort of money?
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I like the idea of ID Cards, not because it is apprently going to solve crime and stop terrorism but because I wouldnt mind having all my details on one card. Purely a convenience thing not a security thing.

I do object to them wanting everyone to have one and charging a stupid price for them. I also object to the way the americans want both countries (UK and US) to use the same system and both have access to eachothers database. That i think is very very wrong.

Also i doubt it will cost £300, thats just the tories being shit (as per usual).
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I have n`t even got £300 to spare for an ID card. Where am I going to get that sort of money?
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its based on research be LSE, so i do believe the figures, however, the being charged £300 each thing is just the tories talking shit, no change there then, if you look, the actual figure quoted is 18bn over a decade, so i would imagine that the LSE never meant their findings to be applied on a per person basis
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i think you'll find i've never been a cancer patient, i demand and end to this ludicrous waste of my tax money.
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Directly, indirectly we're* still paying for it and it's still a waste of money.


*read: the taxpayer, which is not me at the moment
What? Are you not living in this country at the moment?
Or do you just not buy anything ever?
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I don't know why, but I saw Ste had replied to this thread and it made me think of a futuristic dystopian porn film in which Stew is 'molested' by a group of Fascist police who looked a bit like skiddy.
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I don't know why, but I saw Ste had replied to this thread and it made me think of a futuristic dystopian porn film in which Stew is 'molested' by a group of Fascist police who looked a bit like skiddy.
What the hell? How are the two incidences related?



And Ste, I think he meant he doesn't pay income tax as he's a student (which I think you knew). I'm not a great tax expert (yet) so I've no idea of this kind of thing is funded from VAT, income tax or what.
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i think you'll find i've never been a cancer patient, i demand and end to this ludicrous waste of my tax money.
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And Ste, I think he meant he doesn't pay income tax as he's a student (which I think you knew). I'm not a great tax expert (yet) so I've no idea of this kind of thing is funded from VAT, income tax or what.
Students aren't special. We still pay tax. If we earnt more than the tax-paying threshold then we would pay exactly the same as a non-student.

And afaik all tax goes into one big pot and then distributed.
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Students aren't special. We still pay tax. If we earnt more than the tax-paying threshold then we would pay exactly the same as a non-student.
But he was implying he doesn't.

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And afaik all tax goes into one big pot and then distributed.
You're wrong.
For example car tax and petrol tax gets used for roads and stuff.
National Insurance gets allocate to particular things etc.
I just don't know where money for ID cards comes from.
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This is, quite probably, the most confused thread we've ever had.
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But he was implying he doesn't.

National Insurance gets allocate to particular things etc.
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They removed that distinction recently and NI payments are now put in with the of the tax income.

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Yes but he was just saying that he isn't currently paying towards it not which while obviously not strictly true VAT, which he would pay, makes up a smaller % of the budget than either NI or Income tax which make up just under 50% of the total budget together. So he isn't a significant contributor anyway.
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It seems like a perfectly valid complaint, given that it is their money.
no, not really. it's public money but it isn't _THEIR MONEY_. objecting to all tax is one thing; objecting to 'my money being spent on insignificant expenditure x because i disagree with it and it alone' is plain silliness.
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So if you support taxes, you can't complain if public money is spend on genocide?
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So if you support taxes, you can't complain if public money is spend on genocide?
not really, no.

but that's a lot different from not being able to complain about genocide.
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The only person that actually mentioned public money also complained of "an invasion of our privacy".
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still complained about public money.
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I tried to rob a bank so I could afford one of these things yesterday but this giant ID card stopped me before I went through the door

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So if you support taxes, you can't complain if public money is spend on genocide?
not really, no.

but that's a lot different from not being able to complain about genocide.
I don't see anything wrong saying there are some things the government shouldn't be funding without objecting to them per se. For example, I have no objection to private money being spent supporting religious organizations, but I would object to public money being used for that purpose.
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Re: ID Card costs soar

In returning to the main topic of the news article, the prices seem to have gone up. To quote the bbc

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It will cost an estimated £93 to produce a combined passport and identity card. But the fees people will have to pay have not yet been set. It currently costs £42 for a new passport.

Cards could be free for under 16-year-olds and retired people above the age of 75, while those on low incomes could pay reduced rates.
There probably won’t be the introduction of national identity cards and the compulsion of them. With the opposition party opposing it* and the Liberal Democrats opposing it, as well as 19 Labour MP’s who opposed it last time. The government killed the debate last time and they will kill it again. I doubt anyone needs to worry...yet.


*Unless they see a clear reason to support them which is cost effective to the public.
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