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Unread 22 Jul 2014, 13:26   #51
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Firebird, you know as well as I that military means smurf all when you're playing with such offensive stats like the ones we have just experienced in R57.

The problem with Ultores is they were arrogant enough to think that they could win a round based on military alone with no concept for politics at all.

Instead of looking at how you failed, you blame other alliances for your failure and start throwing insults around / arrogantly advocate how "Ultores are the best because we got blocked".

As in most offensive rounds, R57 was a politics round, and unfortunately Ultores do not possess the skill to wield politics.

Good Game CT, well played and deserved.
Im neutral to all this old feelings u guys have for each other, i played in ultores last round, and they have a decent core, like apprime or fang or any other winning alliance under active command.
But ultores won to many rounds back in the past, making ppl hate then so much when losing. Thats not a politic failure, its just the nature of human being, wanting the victory and hating who dont let them win. And about all this arrogant shit, they are ok, and i know who are arrogant bcoz we are brazilians and ppl use to troll us all around (hi cardi)

Thats all, ****ing naptarion for us, the game u guys built after yearsss playing it this way.
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Well CT managed to grow quite well and were near faceless and Bf so after we roided spore top planets we hit faceless for 2 or 3 days to ensure ct passes them... After that we saw they were pretty close to BF so we hit them but to be honest I thought the score lead bf had would be enough for them to win.
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Unread 22 Jul 2014, 14:14   #53
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You could also include the egos of some of your HCs in on that too, judging by some of their illogical posts and decisions on AD
And p3ng hc were any better? AD is always full of retardedness, and crying. Lots of crying.
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Unread 22 Jul 2014, 14:15   #54
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Could it not also be that is harder for Ultores to play politics in a game where a lot of the other alliances start the round knowing they need to block them to keep them down?

I struggle to see how in that environment Ultores can do anything about it. No one will nap them after tick 500 because doing so as a competitive alliance hampers you because in an even playing field Ultores will outgrow everyone.

Maybe the time has come for Ultores to hang up its boots until the game changes to a point where politics is not the be all and end all of winning. Where different paths will get you victory (pipedream)
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Well CT managed to grow quite well and were near faceless and Bf so after we roided spore top planets we hit faceless for 2 or 3 days to ensure ct passes them... After that we saw they were pretty close to BF so we hit them but to be honest I thought the score lead bf had would be enough for them to win.
Well when Ult decided to hit BF, so did FL, CT, ND, Heroes, not sure about p3ng, didnt actually look! Coincided nicely with my gfs graduation so I managed to avoid the last 2 days

I thought it would be closer in the end but CT added some OOT players and we had a crash.
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Well CT managed to grow quite well and were near faceless and Bf so after we roided spore top planets we hit faceless for 2 or 3 days to ensure ct passes them... After that we saw they were pretty close to BF so we hit them but to be honest I thought the score lead bf had would be enough for them to win.
CT did well in the roid race, they played better than Black Flag in the end and they deserved the win.

Realistically, CT were only about 4-5m behind after adding oot.
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Well when Ult decided to hit BF, so did FL, CT, ND, Heroes, not sure about p3ng, didnt actually look! Coincided nicely with my gfs graduation so I managed to avoid the last 2 days

I thought it would be closer in the end but CT added some OOT players and we had a crash.
We decided to hit BF without knowing what the others had planned on doing the last two days (we were approached by others about hitting you guys AFTER we'd had our TP).

We also hit CT the last night (which they complained about multiple times) so you both got some fire from us the last couple of days.
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CT did well in the roid race, they played better than Black Flag in the end and they deserved the win.

Realistically, CT were only about 4-5m behind after adding oot.
They did yah.
We also gave them an ult 6,6mil score planet to add the final day btw (motti).
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Could it not also be that is harder for Ultores to play politics in a game where a lot of the other alliances start the round knowing they need to block them to keep them down?

I struggle to see how in that environment Ultores can do anything about it. No one will nap them after tick 500 because doing so as a competitive alliance hampers you because in an even playing field Ultores will outgrow everyone.

Maybe the time has come for Ultores to hang up its boots until the game changes to a point where politics is not the be all and end all of winning. Where different paths will get you victory (pipedream)
We could probably do a bit better but not much no CT went into the round hostile to us, p3ng with whom we had a war early in the round were friendly to us the other half of the round but busy with their own wars, Faceless can`t say much here and so on...

There will be no tag of either Ultores or Apprime next round so lets see what happens.
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FB - i like you, but you seem to forget that ultores came into this round with 2 support tags - whether they were full or not, that is giving yourself a massive advantage, and caused people to not want to work with you. Galactic cowboys and Heroes went where you went, and were unquestionably loyal to ultores - is that something the 'best alliance' needs? Calling other alliances mediocore because you probably did easily steam roll everyone with your buddies - IMO - a tad unfair, it wasnt exactly a level playing field from tick start!

This isnt the first time someone has won by fencing. The first block vs ultores wouldnt have stopped unless BF had left it - We didnt feel comfortable with the bashing that early on. When we 'backstabbed' Ultores later, this was because you had made a deal with Faceless that you would stop raping them in return for them dropping nap with us and hitting us.

Well played Ultores & pals - not the first time someone has fenced to win, and not the first time CT have backstabbed an alliance I have been in to steal the win either. This game is like groundhog day!
Didnt come in the round with the 2 "support" tags and we certainly didnt offer faceless anything of that sort, we offered them nothing at all till you guys decided to try to form a block against us.
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There's a difference between refusing to play politics and unable to play politics. We will never know because most alliances didn't want to work with you.
Not really, since when we had a deal with BF later in the round we refused to make one with FL, the fact you claim we did some backdoor politics is just retarded. FL came offering to flagship us and we denied it.
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Well played Ultores & pals - not the first time someone has fenced to win, and not the first time CT have backstabbed an alliance I have been in to steal the win either. This game is like groundhog day!
you seem to have forgotten that CT hit you after you made a deal to hit ct with another allaince, you tried to hit us within avoidance agreements but you failed. so not backstabbing on our part that we went all out on you for it.
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you seem to have forgotten that CT hit you after you made a deal to hit ct with another allaince, you tried to hit us within avoidance agreements but you failed. so not backstabbing on our part that we went all out on you for it.
Same excuse will come up to justify their backstab. "We heard from alliance X that you were trying to get us hit"
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FB - i like you, but you seem to forget that ultores came into this round with 2 support tags - whether they were full or not, that is giving yourself a massive advantage, and caused people to not want to work with you. Galactic cowboys and Heroes went where you went, and were unquestionably loyal to ultores - is that something the 'best alliance' needs? Calling other alliances mediocore because you probably did easily steam roll everyone with your buddies - IMO - a tad unfair, it wasnt exactly a level playing field from tick start!

This isnt the first time someone has won by fencing. The first block vs ultores wouldnt have stopped unless BF had left it - We didnt feel comfortable with the bashing that early on. When we 'backstabbed' Ultores later, this was because you had made a deal with Faceless that you would stop raping them in return for them dropping nap with us and hitting us.

Well played Ultores & pals - not the first time someone has fenced to win, and not the first time CT have backstabbed an alliance I have been in to steal the win either. This game is like groundhog day!
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if you're playing a war game and your main strategy is to nap anything that seems hostile you may aswel quit and go play something more suited to such faggotry.

It's an insult to every person who joined your alliance.
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you seem to have forgotten that CT hit you after you made a deal to hit ct with another allaince, you tried to hit us within avoidance agreements but you failed. so not backstabbing on our part that we went all out on you for it.
We didn't try to make any deals to hit ct gm - so I haven't forgotten anything! You dropped nap with us because we took the lead landing escorts on p3ng, you said it yourself.

I like how all the heroes believe their contribution was so insignificant their involvement with ultores conferred no advantage! Is there any alliance out there that wouldn't like a group of 25 people lol waving top planets in the alliance they are warring '1 on 1', soaking up all the def?
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Didnt come in the round with the 2 "support" tags and we certainly didnt offer faceless anything of that sort, we offered them nothing at all till you guys decided to try to form a block against us.
You did. Perhaps you didn't make that deal with faceless - but this is the paranoid thoughts which the decision to seek help vs ult and pals given that potential eventuality. I won't try and pretend BF didn't make mistakes, we did - everyone did
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conno i was referring to fang as you were
Oh I don't even remember what happened then - my apologies. It was irvine who reminded me! Lol
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Same excuse will come up to justify their backstab. "We heard from alliance X that you were trying to get us hit"
GM wasn't talking about Black Flag ;-)
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Just reading the thread. Since when is getting an ally fencing?
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Just reading the thread. Since when is getting an ally fencing?
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Fencing in pa as the idiom "sitting on the fence"

Sitting on the fence" is a common idiom used in English to describe one's neutrality or hesitance to choose between two sides in an argument or a competition, or inability to decide due to lack of courage. This is done either in order to remain on good terms with both sides, or due to apathy to the situation and not wanting to choose a position with which one doesn't actually agree.
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Fencing in pa as the idiom "sitting on the fence"

Sitting on the fence" is a common idiom used in English to describe one's neutrality or hesitance to choose between two sides in an argument or a competition, or inability to decide due to lack of courage. This is done either in order to remain on good terms with both sides, or due to apathy to the situation and not wanting to choose a position with which one doesn't actually agree.
Fencing in PA is generally recognised as 'avoiding incoming for as long as possible'.
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We decided to hit BF without knowing what the others had planned on doing the last two days (we were approached by others about hitting you guys AFTER we'd had our TP).

We also hit CT the last night (which they complained about multiple times) so you both got some fire from us the last couple of days.
we assumed this was so that we wouldnt xp land him
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We didn't try to make any deals to hit ct gm - so I haven't forgotten anything! You dropped nap with us because we took the lead landing escorts on p3ng, you said it yourself.

I like how all the heroes believe their contribution was so insignificant their involvement with ultores conferred no advantage! Is there any alliance out there that wouldn't like a group of 25 people lol waving top planets in the alliance they are warring '1 on 1', soaking up all the def?
When did we war anyone 1 on 1? You only hit us with at least 2 allies so what are you crying about? Is it unfair we got a 25 member inactive tag to help us vs 3 or more full tag allies.
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we assumed this was so that we wouldnt xp land him
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What now? XP land who?
Biggest ct planet I guess.
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When did we war anyone 1 on 1? You only hit us with at least 2 allies so what are you crying about? Is it unfair we got a 25 member inactive tag to help us vs 3 or more full tag allies.
Ultores never warred anyone 1 on 1, that was my point, and the reason I am making it is because we hear a lot on here how amazing they are and everyone else are blocking pussays! I am not whining - just giving my opinion on this round
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Problem here is you are delusional if you think we could influence Heroes, they just shared the same distaste for you lot blocking as we did.

I could spend a week calling them for them never to show up and attack.

You were not only attacking with 3 other tags you were cross deffing as well.
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Ultores never warred anyone 1 on 1, that was my point, and the reason I am making it is because we hear a lot on here how amazing they are and everyone else are blocking pussays! I am not whining - just giving my opinion on this round
Didn't we war p3ng and Faceless 1 vs 1 last round? Or am I completely missing the boat......
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Didn't we war p3ng and Faceless 1 vs 1 last round? Or am I completely missing the boat......
While we wared p3ng ct kept hitting us also. Faceless we hit alone after the block stopped hitting us but we had 20 mil less value and a lot less roids. Faceless asked heroes not to hit them in that period btw as it was unfair but the gang on us before that was ok I guess...
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Fencing in PA is generally recognised as 'avoiding incoming for as long as possible'.
No it isn't. Fencing in PA is filling your galaxy with alliances on both sides of a significant conflict to avoid it getting hit by either side.

Avoiding incoming is how anyone wins in PA, and fencing is one of many methods to achieve this.
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Re: Round 57 Alliance Stats

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No it isn't. Fencing in PA is filling your galaxy with alliances on both sides of a significant conflict to avoid it getting hit by either side.

Avoiding incoming is how anyone wins in PA, and fencing is one of many methods to achieve this.
I was talking from an alliance perspective.
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this is coming from the alliance who fort avoided every major alliance from round start ... then everyone saw them grow and refused to NAP somehow I dont think your refusing to play NAPtarian on your own account ...
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plz get a clue MM
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this is coming from the alliance who fort avoided every major alliance from round start ... then everyone saw them grow and refused to NAP somehow I dont think your refusing to play NAPtarian on your own account ...
I assume you mean us again? So what's coming from us again? Please enlighten us!
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Are you guys really still talking about who has the biggest ****?
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I was talking from an alliance perspective.
Still, avoiding incs is how you win pa, fencing is a way to diminish those incs, being a planet, galaxy or alliance.

And tbh the term is best used on a galaxy who through bp, and randoms fill a criteria where no alliance see them as an obvious target as a whole, just like the winning gal last round, and numerous ones before that.
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And tbh the term is best used on a galaxy who through bp, and randoms fill a criteria where no alliance see them as an obvious target as a whole, just like the winning gal last round, and numerous ones before that.
You can't really fence in-galaxy anymore because when alliances go to war, they will hit who they want.
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You can't really fence in-galaxy anymore because when alliances go to war, they will hit who they want.
I beg to differ, actually the strategy is more than applicable still. But hey what do i know
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!:4 3:10 both in the running were fence gals.
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!:4 3:10 both in the running were fence gals.
3:10 was not a fenced galaxy. The Ultores got hit regularly during war, and vice versa with the Black Flags.
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We didn't try to make any deals to hit ct gm - so I haven't forgotten anything! You dropped nap with us because we took the lead landing escorts on p3ng, you said it yourself.

I like how all the heroes believe their contribution was so insignificant their involvement with ultores conferred no advantage! Is there any alliance out there that wouldn't like a group of 25 people lol waving top planets in the alliance they are warring '1 on 1', soaking up all the def?
I assume you have jgp's with 25 hero fleets on them to back this statement up otherwise I'm gonna go out on a limb and call your strawman argument bullshit

At our most active we had 8-10 ppl actively launching one of them was Norton who was granted honorary membership after the epicness of heroic airlines structure killing last round
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You can't really fence in-galaxy anymore because when alliances go to war, they will hit who they want.
And the members tell each other when their ally is hitting their galaxy, so they can ground and organise pl def etc etc etc
But hey if you want to believe that your members in those galaxy's are not sharing your allys attack details I have a lovely time share apt in sunny siberia that you might be interested in
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Clouds that Gal was Fenced to the hilt Spore,ULT,BF,ND

3x HC from diff alliances.
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Clouds that Gal was Fenced to the hilt Spore,ULT,BF,ND

3x HC from diff alliances.
Your gal also had four different alliances in it
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3:10 was not a fenced galaxy. The Ultores got hit regularly during war, and vice versa with the Black Flags.
Being in fence gals has never been a way to avoid individual gal member being hit while at war - indeed being in a gal with some of your opponent makes you a better target for ptargeting as there is less chance of def.
A fence galaxy however a, avoids all those pesky random gal raids - of which there were admittedly not too many after tick 300-400 last round. And as mentioned above b, has few/no alliances who actually have an in interest in seeing them fall - or more than a member or two within it fall. Thus very large incs to stop the gal getting a good rank at the end are avoided.
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Lol yes would have been 3 had you made space for Katador, However we lacked members like Zhil,Clouds and yourself.
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Lol yes would have been 3 had you made space for Katador, However we lacked members like Zhil,Clouds and yourself.
I think you are confused here! Katador was in Ult tag, however, cardi decdied it was better if he was in spore tag

And I don't see what kind of benefits my gal gained by having me (other than the score I brought them?)
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