Jingoism adds happy plus joy bonus to opined results with mega zoom patriotism

[Mong]

Useless Generation! Dumb Flag Scum!

Yadda Yadda.

Patriotism is one of the dumbest "isms" known to mankind. It's a convenient way to gather people together. I'm not proud to be British, nor ashamed. I'm just British.

So I resent being labelled a traitor because I don't support the war. The current government line is that "anybody who is anti-war is unpatriotic, because they're not supporting their fellow Britons in the Gulf".

Bollocks.

With this line of thinking, by supporting the war simply because our troops are involved, the government has a mandate to attack anybody it feels like. Any objectors are labeled "traitors" and dismissed now.

I notice the polls tend to be "Do you support our troops against Saddam?" rather than "Do you want our troops to come back quickly and suffer no losses?"

The sad thing is... most of the voters don't see through this jingoistic trickery.

What sucked most was that Blair claimed Brits had been executed, when in fact they hadn't. That's nice... our beloved leader trying to score cheap propoganda points off some families' tragedy. Now one of the families is saying "Oh they *may* have been executed" but another says that the govt asked them to pretend they had been afterall.

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M.

[Slidey]

charles kennedy said today that although he doesnt support hte idea of war, he supports the british troops out there

thats fair enough isnt it ?

[Mong]

Yes, Kennedy is the only one of the leaders who actually says this. I might even have to vote LibDem if they continue to suprise me by making sense and appearing competent!

I fully support British troops. I wish them all the best luck and hope as many as possible come back as soon as possible.

My best mate's boyf is over there, as is another mate. I'm worried about both of them. Doesn't mean I have to support this war though.

M.

[Slidey]

im gonna keep an eye on their european policies first..

[queball]

Originally posted by Mong
I might even have to vote LibDem if they continue to suprise me by making sense and appearing competent!

Who else would you vote for?




I doubt you're gonna change anyone's opinions with a rant like this. If you want to convince people who think in terms of "patriotism", you need to make lots of emotional appeals as to why you love this great country or whatever. Your rhetoric skills suck! Unless you're aiming at angry ranty conspiracy theory people.

[Nusselt]

yah im getting abit...worried about all the 'patriot' arguments that are coming up in britian, that used to be the 'american thing', i had thought that we were capable of questioning the decisions of the goverment without

'YOU'RE ANTI BRITISH, IF YOU LIVED IN xxxx YOUD BE SORRY, IF YOU HATE IT WHY DONT YOU LEAVE, YOU SHOULD BE PROUD TO BE BRITISH, SUPPORT THE TROOPS THEY'RE DYING FOR YOUR FREEDOM, NOW BUY THAT FLAG AND WAVE'

The sinking of the General Belgrano is a case in point, regardless of wheter you think is should have been sunk or not we did at least question thatcher's choice in that instance, despite the ship being there to kill british troops.

Ill be honest, i wasnt really ever completely for this war, but i thought what the hey, they'll all surrender and it'll all be good, i dont wish any harm on the british soilders, im just beginning to think that they shouldnt be there. Besides, it isnt a conscript army, they chose the army as a profession, i dont see why i should automatically support them because of this.

[Nodrog]

Originally posted by Slidey
charles kennedy said today that although he doesnt support hte idea of war, he supports the british troops out there

What does this even mean?

[Tietäjä]

Originally posted by queball
Who else would you vote for?

[Sidenote]

One might do as 16800 ~ Finns did in the Finnish government elections this spring. Tony "Viikinki" Halme (Viikinki translates to Viking, obviously) receveid the sixth most votes out of all applicants (yes, that is 16800 roughly, remember Finland isn't a large country populationwise), and thus now represents the Finnish people in the Finnish government. He is a member of the political party of Perussuomalaiset (they translate their name to True Finns - that should tell you enough), causing an amazing 200% raise to their total amount of received votes compared to the previous elections. That's, their received votes got tripled. TRIPLED. Now, who is this Tony Halme (Viikinki)?

Tony Halme's profile here

An interview on Halme

The expert suggest that the reason to Halme's success in the political field is the fact that before Halme people who were pissed off at the system used to vote Donald Duck, but now that there's a REAL Donald Duck on the list of applicants, they could as well have voted him. Way cool. His party received two seats in the government, that is, one in addition to his seat.

People really don't deserve democracy. Another solution should be found, one that would work better for the modern society.

Ps. what astonishes me most, is the fact that in every media, even in the government, his name is refered as Tony Halme (Viikinki) even if the Viikinki is merely nickname, or an addon he has received during his career.

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[LHC]

I haven't heard any leaders claiming that not supporting the war is being unpatriotic

[Nodrog]

Originally posted by Tietäjä
People really don't deserve democracy. Another solution should be found, one that would work better for the modern society.

I dont understand how you derived this statement from the facts you gave.

[Tietäjä]

Originally posted by Nodrog
I dont understand how you derived this statement from the facts you gave.

I didn't derive it from the facts I gave. I've been cooking it in my head for years now. The facts are merely in supporting role.

I forgot to note, by the way, that the person mentioned above was the American Heavyweight boxing champion, but I can't remember the year.

[Deffeh]

You forgot to mention a country is merely a patch of land.

[Mong]

Originally posted by LHC
I haven't heard any leaders claiming that not supporting the war is being unpatriotic

Blair and Blunkett have both "hinted" at it, Blunkett even went further in his attack on Cook (Frost on Sunday I think?)

M.

[Radical Edward]

Originally posted by Tietäjä

People really don't deserve democracy. Another solution should be found, one that would work better for the modern society.

countries should be run like companies. with regulatory bodies to keep things in check. democracy has a place to certain extents, but it's powers should be limited.

[Judge]

Originally posted by Radical Edward
countries should be run like companies. with regulatory bodies to keep things in check. democracy has a place to certain extents, but it's powers should be limited.

They have, it is called "Government"

gov·ern·ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gvrn-mnt)
n.
The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit.
The office, function, or authority of a governing individual or body.
Exercise of authority in a political unit; rule.
The agency or apparatus through which a governing individual or body functions and exercises authority.
A governing body or organization, as:
The ruling political party or coalition of political parties in a parliamentary system.
The cabinet in a parliamentary system.
The persons who make up a governing body.
A system or policy by which a political unit is governed.
Administration or management of an organization, business, or institution.

Which is controlled by the "Legislature"

leg·is·la·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lj-slchr)
n.
An officially elected or otherwise selected body of people vested with the responsibility and power to make laws for a political unit, such as a state or nation.

[Radical Edward]

Originally posted by Judge
They have, it is called "Government"

the difference being, boards are generally chosen according to proven ability, wheras governments are chosen according to public whim.

[Judge]

Originally posted by Radical Edward
the difference being, boards are generally chosen according to proven ability, wheras governments are chosen according to public whim.

Indeed, the Board of Enron did an excellent Job of regulating themselves.

Or maybe Barings Bank did a better Job.

[Radical Edward]

Originally posted by Judge
Indeed, the Board of Enron did an excellent Job of regulating themselves.

Or maybe Barings Bank did a better Job.

Originally posted by Radical Edward
with regulatory bodies to keep things in check.

incidentally your examples don't really offer a comparison.

[Mong]

As "discussions going totally off topic" go, this one is pretty impressive!

[Judge]

Originally posted by Radical Edward
incidentally your examples don't really offer a comparison.

they do in that the proposition was that "That Experts Appointed on the basis of ability" could do a better job?

The failure was with the regulator in not catching the problems sooner, but the Regulators are appointed on the basis of ability?

So where does that leave us?

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally posted by Judge
Or maybe Barings Bank did a better Job.

Nick Leeson was on the board?