Cath roid fleets

[Silva baby]

I have given this long long thought and finally decided to paste a thread outlining a Cath Roid fleet

this is what i have done in my own fleet

Tulas, Bw's, Spiders, pods

y?
y not megapods? cause i hate the eta
i personalli see advantage for this fleet being able to hit -1 eta to a conventianl cr fleet yet still being able to target most classes the onli one excepting being BA which is quite obvious y........ as i am sure by now u all reliease i hate defenders
Tulas i haev always seen as Bw helper flak i have no idea y
anyone able to give me some insight? =p

Xans and Ziks will eat u alive. Without beetle or scorpion u have no hope in attacking or defending against their FI swarms.
Spiders cant stop them.

[MAdnRisKy]

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the beetle is a good ship

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[G.K Zhukov]

Ive seen how good CR roiding fleets are...

You r weak against other caths too. Hostiles always outnumber u so their tulas will freeze u, or they will use low init roaches.

Id stick with lower class ships or higher class ships... but ur mix isnt good imo.

beetle-roach-BW
or
tula-scorpion-guardian

[Silva baby]

i forgot bout the beetle

/me slaps herself

[Silva baby]

so if i added beetle

beetle, bw, pod, tula

cover all classes no?

Yes they cover.
U're still weak against Cath CR fleets. Roach is the best ship against them because it freezes CR before they fire.

[Silva baby]

that is what i am sayin about Cath cr fleets
they are utterly wank because of the amount of sentinals walking around, sentinals i have found do quite alot better on average against big ships~
add to that Androvian bombers plus corsairs
u have well a fleet that any decent alliance should conver sufficiently
onli a huge player would have no trouble launching a huge cr fleet and not meet defence

[black-eyed boy]

I absolutely agree with Silva.. I think I'll quit PA the same moment when I get roided by a Cr fleet

It's not even about your alliance and friends having hours to send help.. Hell, this fleet is so "lagging" in every attack when whole gal is covered that it becomes really really easy to send loads of fighters ingal after attackers from covered planets pull.

If you only say that Cr roiding fleets have a huge potential because you look at it theoretically - you're very wrong, go prove it in real attacks then show off.
If you roided someone with Cr fleet.. Hey, were they ranked 2k+?

Indeed, there are always overburn attacks, but I'm sceptical about it aswell. It takes helluva lot of E to launch those Cr/Bs. And you leave like 7 hours for your target to come on and ask for fighters..

[Silva baby]

overburn defence doens't help the cr roid fleet either

[Soron]

Originally posted by Silva baby
so if i added beetle

beetle, bw, pod, tula

cover all classes no?

yes... but be aware that beetles fire AFTER tula...

[General1]

Originally posted by black-eyed boy
I absolutely agree with Silva.. I think I'll quit PA the same moment when I get roided by a Cr fleet

It's not even about your alliance and friends having hours to send help.. Hell, this fleet is so "lagging" in every attack when whole gal is covered that it becomes really really easy to send loads of fighters ingal after attackers from covered planets pull.

If you only say that Cr roiding fleets have a huge potential because you look at it theoretically - you're very wrong, go prove it in real attacks then show off.
If you roided someone with Cr fleet.. Hey, were they ranked 2k+?

Indeed, there are always overburn attacks, but I'm sceptical about it aswell. It takes helluva lot of E to launch those Cr/Bs. And you leave like 7 hours for your target to come on and ask for fighters..

Dude gimme ya coords and I will send a few k cruisers at your place, I wonder what happens next.





YOU LOST ROIDS

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by General1
YOU LOST ROIDS

For some reason i highly doubt that.

As outlined in my column, Cath roiding fleet norms are Beetle/BW/Roach/Pod or Tarant/Megapod/Scorpion (with perhaps BW, but that would be rare).

Tarants could be added to a BW & Beetle fleet, however that's just asking for trouble. The only concieveable reason that you would not send roaches over tarants is becasue there are too many units targeting CO only. Units that target Co also target either FI or FR anyway, so you havent really gained at all. By sending CR, you allow your fleet to get targeted by a whole range of units that would not have normally fired, like the Gryphon and Drake for example.

I'd suggest you stick with a norm - and the BW/Beetle norm at that.

[General1]

I think there is a misscomunication.
I was meaning Taras+ mantis+ avenger only
And a few 1000 ships of them is ROIDS.

[Ditcher]

Originally posted by General1
I think there is a misscomunication.
I was meaning Taras+ mantis+ avenger only
And a few 1000 ships of them is ROIDS.

Lyvidian Sentinels. Universe eta5 against your 9(8)

Enough said.

[Silva baby]

Originally posted by Ultimate Newbie


For some reason i highly doubt that.

As outlined in my column, Cath roiding fleet norms are Beetle/BW/Roach/Pod or Tarant/Megapod/Scorpion (with perhaps BW, but that would be rare).

Tarants could be added to a BW & Beetle fleet, however that's just asking for trouble. The only concieveable reason that you would not send roaches over tarants is becasue there are too many units targeting CO only. Units that target Co also target either FI or FR anyway, so you havent really gained at all. By sending CR, you allow your fleet to get targeted by a whole range of units that would not have normally fired, like the Gryphon and Drake for example.

I'd suggest you stick with a norm - and the BW/Beetle norm at that.

i tend to find that my roaches get kill by pegasus~ personal opinion never theless there, there never enough roaches to freeze al the pegasus but tulas are btter at freezin pegs i think i'm not sure correct me if i am wrong
i'm just sayin that could tulas help at all? given that they have same eta as bw's

[MAdnRisKy]

Tulas are useful for one thing.

Freezing hydras / syren and ignoring the pegs (if you are also prepared not to try and stop the wyvern and phx / harpies by sending no fi CO class)

[General1]

Originally posted by Ditcher


Lyvidian Sentinels. Universe eta5 against your 9(8)

Enough said.

/me sighs do you REALLY think you are able 2 gain the defence you like. Most times the ships you prefer arent AVAIBLE due to reasons.
And then pick roaches, maybe 1eta higher but they are better.
And a few k avengers eat your Sentinels
And your sentinels are USELESS for killing Taras

Example 1.5k tara and 10k sentinals

Attacker: Tarantula shooting on Lyvidian Sentinel with 9000 out of 9000 guns, stunning 4500 Lyvidian Sentinel(s)

This leaves 5.5k sentinels LEFT so more then 50% of his fleet and lets see how much its kills

Defender: Lyvidian Sentinel shooting on Tarantula with 11000 out of 11000 guns, killing 66 Tarantula(s)

Damm It makes me pull Directly

[black-eyed boy]

You're talking some bs there you know

Originally posted by General1
Example 1.5k tara and 10k sentinals

Why not "Example 1.5k tara and 250k sentinels, eh??".

Come on, if you want to compare those 2 then at least use the same res value for both.
1.5k taras vs 28k sentinels.
4.5k sentinels blocked, 23.5k shoot.
300 tarants are dead. That's 780k score.

AND anyway, why are you so naive to think that target sends his whole fleet away when it sees your tarants leaving ONLY someone's sentinels to fight them? You're lucky if 10% of tarants' fire gets to fighters in common fight.
And tarants are totally useless against fighters.

[General1]

Originally posted by black-eyed boy
You're talking some bs there you know


Why not "Example 1.5k tara and 250k sentinels, eh??".
.

A normal xan planet has lets say a big number 15k Sentinals. So that would mean atleast 10planets will def him 25k (really big planets)

Wonder where he can find those exact ships.
It isnt easy 2 get yourself that amount of sentinals

[Silva baby]

Originally posted by MAdnRisKy
Tulas are useful for one thing.

Freezing hydras / syren and ignoring the pegs (if you are also prepared not to try and stop the wyvern and phx / harpies by sending no fi CO class)

hit it right on the spot

[-QS-]

C´mon tulla vs. Fighter?

Xans have 2 tactics against CR-inc:

bomber, sentinel

or

bomber, sentinel, broadies.

That is realistic.

And some1 said avenger against sentinel... did i miss somethin or isnt the avenger not targeting FI (excluded random shots)?

To me (as xan) I wouldn`t like to be attacked (exclude def, cause with def u can blow any attack) from 2 sorts of cath:

- beetle, spider, BW -> stunning simply all I have

- Tullas (flak), Scorps (to block the naughty units), guardian (to get rid of broadies)

The 2nd fleet has an eta-disadvatage ofc, but u can still send some spider/ beetle when you are ETA 6 to avoid defender...

[Ditcher]

Originally posted by General1



A normal xan planet has lets say a big number 15k Sentinals. So that would mean atleast 10planets will def him 25k (really big planets)

Wonder where he can find those exact ships.
It isnt easy 2 get yourself that amount of sentinals

The 250k sentinels was obivously a joke. However 30k-50k is totally realistic amount against 1.5k tulas. Loosing ~1mil in a tick means your target needs to have quite a few rocks to grab
Of course there are other ships also that loves to deal with eta9 EMP incomming.

And if you havent noticed. There are _lots_ of sentinels around this round.

[General1]

Originally posted by Ditcher

The 250k sentinels was obivously a joke. However 30k-50k is totally realistic amount against 1.5k tulas. Loosing ~1mil in a tick means your target needs to have quite a few rocks to grab
Of course there are other ships also that loves to deal with eta9 EMP incomming.

And if you havent noticed. There are _lots_ of sentinels around this round.

I know much other ships target them but the point was sentinals.
And there are much around of these but gaining 250k for defence is a bit of a problem

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[thomas4]

pds is fking lame

[Akallabeth]

Originally posted by thomas4
pds is fking lame

a little bit (1k hadrons) actually isnt bad *eg*

tis a risk ofc

Originally posted by Akallabeth


a little bit (1k hadrons) actually isnt bad *eg*

tis a risk ofc

only use mantis (have 20!!! \o/) for special mission, I had used them once this round a few weeks ago roiding a partly bashed terran that had lost all ships excpet his de and cr class, dont see a really use for them, like the cath fi/co and widows (and yes, also the defenders, as some ziks found out the last days ). you are always able to send ships for all defs in time (and mostly you dont have to use overburns, coz xans attack mostly with co/fi -->> cath fi are 1 tick faster, terrans with their de/fr fleets --->>> roaches 1 tick fater and fr def you can get from other races in time. for ziks the same depends on their stolen pods). and if it comes hard, you can still send your BW's overburn to a def.

caths are the real defenders in the universe (apart from 0-xan-fletts ) and can, if played porperly, roid with small (none?) losses and max cap almost all targets, if they have a good size (smaller).

but no doubt, cathaars are highly apreciated, on both ends, attack (you wont lose ships) and def (the def loses far less, or even nothing).

so I think, WE make the difference! we are crazy, but in this random universe still the most loved race over all we are the pain in the ass of the all present xans (same for zik co/fi fleets ), and often able to make terran de-fleets pull (same for zik de-fleets ) . the 2 best roiding fleets out there.

[Ditcher]

Originally posted by General1


I know much other ships target them but the point was sentinals.
And there are much around of these but gaining 250k for defence is a bit of a problem

Originally posted by Ditcher
The 250k sentinels was obivously a joke. However 30k-50k is totally realistic amount against 1.5k tulas.

[Silva baby]

persaonlli wat iw as sayin is adding tulas into the bw/ beetle etc fleet to counter bs mebbe =p
er would spider bw tula work?

[thomas4]

hmm, only in a fighterless fleet i think

spids cover up the CO for ure bw, bw do the frigs. Tulas prolly the cr/de prolly just de threat.

then nothing does the fighters (or send overload of tulas but that screws ure cap )

my suggestion, send either beetle or roach along.

roach -> does the de/cr b4 tulas so tulas go to all other classes ie fighters (make sure spids and bw block most of co and frig otherwise tula goes to that too :/) disadvantage is that u have another class added to attackfleet.

beetle -> clears u from fighterthreat. Pro is that u dont have another class added to ure attackfleet.


(or send the widowmakers u built so massively :P)

[Silva baby]

see what i have been sending in mah fleet
i lost half my widowmakers in defence the other day 16 mil defence vs 17 mil attacker unfortunetly my widowmakers were on the recieving end
Ships (12094 units total)

Spider 2812 Beetle 5000
Scarab 3 Defender 28
Roach 2000 Black Widow 1621
Widowmaker 430 Astro Pod 200

er haven't started the tulas been concentrating on roaches and bws for defence

[Ap0k]

edit: this was a crap post. delete it plz mod...

[thomas4]

Originally posted by Silva baby
see what i have been sending in mah fleet
i lost half my widowmakers in defence the other day 16 mil defence vs 17 mil attacker unfortunetly my widowmakers were on the recieving end
Ships (12094 units total)

Spider 2812 Beetle 5000
Scarab 3 Defender 28
Roach 2000 Black Widow 1621
Widowmaker 430 Astro Pod 200

er haven't started the tulas been concentrating on roaches and bws for defence

i would start the tulas asap or build scarabs

cuz right now u are way too frig vulnerable. Dunno ure score ofc, but 1,6k bw only is quite roidable.

[Soron]

Originally posted by Silva baby
see what i have been sending in mah fleet
i lost half my widowmakers in defence the other day 16 mil defence vs 17 mil attacker unfortunetly my widowmakers were on the recieving end
Ships (12094 units total)

Spider 2812 Beetle 5000
Scarab 3 Defender 28
Roach 2000 Black Widow 1621
Widowmaker 430 Astro Pod 200

er haven't started the tulas been concentrating on roaches and bws for defence

easy on that WM.... why would you build them anyway. Fi can be stoped much easier in other ways...
and build a lot more Co or Cr ships

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by Soron



easy on that WM.... why would you build them anyway. Fi can be stoped much easier in other ways...
and build a lot more Co or Cr ships

to be honest, if she is vulnerbale against anyhing it would have to be DE - 2k roaches is buggar all.

Silva Baby - build you WM to a nice round number (lets say 500) then throw all your resoruces @ Roaches and BW. And then more resources etc untill you have a superb number of Co/FR. Remember that you can use Roaches and BW attacking, so its not like you are digging yourself into a hole by using them.

Good luck mate :P

[Silva baby]

ah ultimate newbie hit it right on the spot
if i get hit by a de attacker
i get raped
simpled =p

i dun see how i need scarabs tho because Black Widows and WidowMakers and Spiders between them cover co fr and fi quite nicely plus the 5k beetles

i need more roaches and exactly what i am doing is what Ultimate Newbie ahs told me

Also remember Roaches. They are great defence against DE and CR Ships!

[Silva baby]

hehe read above m8

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by rhkhdh
Also remember Roaches. They are great defence against DE and CR Ships!

Do you actually bother to read the threads before posting?

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by Gayle28uk

Do you actually bother to read the threads before posting?

Do you?

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by Ultimate Newbie


Do you?

Yes. Hence the sarcastic remark concerning the post repeating the point (already made by you 2 posts earlier and acknowledged by Silva in the post immediately preceding).

You all forget that a cr attackfleet willlhave scoprions in them (eta is same as mantis)

So you can all recalc, cause noone will send a cruiser fleet if his scrops can not allready block atleast all fighters (which is often not more then 100 scorps)

and then tula´s fire,

believe me when i say that even though the eta sux it is still a very very good roiding fleet. If you know what your doing. And besides that half of the universe doen´t really know what ships they want to build, so they are allways easy target for cruiser fleets since loads of people think they will not meet them.

i am cath and have been using cr/bs fleets since i can build scorps and it is very very effecient

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by Gayle28uk

Yes.

ok

i was just wondering, becasue i actua.lly rearely read an entire thread these days. i just post something that sound intelligent/helpful to the original post (and the coupla following it) and move on .

/me is a forum troller

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by Fasiel
You all forget that a cr attackfleet willlhave scoprions in them (eta is same as mantis)

So you can all recalc, cause noone will send a cruiser fleet if his scrops can not allready block atleast all fighters (which is often not more then 100 scorps)

That may be true, however the number of scorps needed will be larger if you factor in the defence said planet is likely to receive (i'm ranked some 3k now, yet i can still get defence, so you never know...), and if the target is a Xan in particular, you'll n eed to freeze his CO (Bombers) and FR (Broadswords) as well.

That would be all fine and dandy if the scorpion was efficient as the Beetle against fighters in particular, but it isnt. Trying to freeze a Xan fleet with Scorpions will be difficult to maintain max cap or near max cap.

[Ska]

Spider 9200 Beetle 10000
Scarab 200 Roach 4224
Black Widow 2000 Tarantula 342
Mantis 124 Astro Pod 207

[Silva baby]

i suppose u like picking on Xans?

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by Ska
Spider 9200 Beetle 10000
Scarab 200 Roach 4224
Black Widow 2000 Tarantula 342
Mantis 124 Astro Pod 207

I'm smaller than you but it'll cost you 7 million resources for a 14% cap (about 170 roids) over 3 ticks...

Can you tell I'm bored?

[Ska]

Originally posted by Silva baby
i suppose u like picking on Xans?

they are the easiest, yeah...mind you I just started playing 3 weeks ago (was inactive for first part of round) and if I had started from the beginning the fleet would look a little different.