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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 01:29   #51
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A few gosu got closed, #2 gal has 3 closed, around 7 planets in the top50 are all closed atm
Hmm...if they continue this trend for a while, maybe i'll end up in the top250
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lol

you guys are all pathetic and im GLAD YOU GOT CLOSED
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 01:40   #53
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you guys are all pathetic and im GLAD YOU GOT CLOSED

i've heard a certain GC of a r6 bluebull gal accountshared his arse off for that entire round
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 01:40   #54
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how many times do we have to tell you that one coincidence doesn't mean immediate deletion. there are other factors they look at.

planets aren't being closed because they're LDK.. they're being closed because there is sufficient evidence of cheating. other alliances ahve had planets closed, they're just lucky enough to be unnoticed.
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 01:41   #55
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Reminds me a bit of r7 when all of those 26:11 logins were floating around :\

It was kinda funny when the MoC's password leaked, and someone used it to change the gal name
Sort of like this or this.
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 01:48   #56
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Saying PACrew is doing things for no reason is pretty much accusing them of not doing their job... Why would one do this after paying them to play their game?
I'm quite sure that PACrew aren't idiots who close accounts for random reasons. In fact, by most laws, they have an obligation as payees to support their own rules and not abuse anything. I looked this up and here at least, doing such a thing is grounds for a good lawsuit.
I'm pretty sure there are quite similar rules in most countries...
If one needs to blame the PACrew for closing the wrong accounts, that's fine.. But next time, why bother paying to play?

As for the few posts I saw about R10 being dead.. I seriously doubt that. So many neat features are awaited.. If people don't want to play just because the rules prevent them from cheating.. I think they are the ones who have the problem here. heh

If you seriously think PA crew was wrong, get solid proof, and I'm very sure they will reopen your account, and maybe even apologize for the mistake. All you need is solid proof.

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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 01:50   #57
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If you seriously think PA crew was wrong, get solid proof, and I'm very sure they will reopen your account, and maybe even apologize for the mistake. All you need is solid proof.


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we are inventing a new kind of law system here people
Silver just give it up. You are grasping at straws while you have a tons weighing anchor attached to your ankle.
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 02:29   #59
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how many times do we have to tell you that one coincidence doesn't mean immediate deletion. there are other factors they look at.

planets aren't being closed because they're LDK.. they're being closed because there is sufficient evidence of cheating. other alliances ahve had planets closed, they're just lucky enough to be unnoticed.
1) There is no room in these forums for levelheadness, Aryn. Clearly they were hacked or didn't make enough scans or something

2) Wonder how long it will be before the 'I WAS HACKED!' threads begin. Well, the 'Folks didn't have enough scans!' threads have begun and those are already quite amusing, thank you for writing them

3) Oh, and sorry about your planet, Scorpio. And your gal.

4) And another thing. Justice is sweet. Now we can see I haven't been talking out of my ass all this time .

5) Looking forward to new excuses for the cheater rep beyond "It's all Cryptic's fault!" More creativity is in order.
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 02:41   #60
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It doesn't look very authentic to me. However, PA Crew wouldn't close them because of that. The logins would have to work, and if they do, then the people closed are daft.
Its 100% authentic. Its 'my' log. Those planets are now closed.
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 02:41   #61
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Saying PACrew is doing things for no reason is pretty much accusing them of not doing their job... Why would one do this after paying them to play their game?
you're new here aren't you? :P
first of all it's pateam
second of all.. they will ALWAYS find soemthing to whine about pateam for. for example before the 'omg they've closed my planet' etc etc... it was 'pateam don't close cheating planets'

well.. you can't have all cheaters except you closed :P
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 03:22   #62
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you're new here aren't you? :P
first of all it's pateam
second of all.. they will ALWAYS find soemthing to whine about pateam for. for example before the 'omg they've closed my planet' etc etc... it was 'pateam don't close cheating planets'

well.. you can't have all cheaters except you closed :P


Far from new.
I just lurk a lot. PACrew, PAteam. whatever. Same difference, I care not either way. People know who I'm talking about.

And yes, I know people like to whine for nothing. I let off steam about all sorts of things by inserting my 2 cents. :P
Let me. I enjoy myself, and I'm not flaming anyone.
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quick edit: Yea I know I registered just newly..but I never felt the urge to actually SAY something until lately. :P So no real need to register until then.
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 06:56   #63
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The password in question was exactly the same 10-character non-existing word, including the random capitalization, apart from the last two letters of which the capitalization was inverted. It would indeed not allow for a login. However, no one is going to be able to guess a random 10-character non-existing word including random capitalization. That indicates that the password was in fact given out at some point - that much cannot be denied.

Which brings us to the claim that the 'incorrect' password was an old R7 password. That would mean that Nacho at least cheated in R7, which doesn't increase his credibility value in this case. It would also mean that Nacho used a different password in rounds 8 and 9 and for some reason returned to using his R7 password in R9.5. But to avoid having anyone else logging in, rather than simply choosing a different password, he swapped the capitalization of two letters. Coincidentally, this R7 login info didn't reach PA Team until now, and even more coincidentally that login info is correct again this round (apart from the inverted capitalization of the last two letters). Amazing, isn't it?

Alternatively, the third party source the login/pass reached PA Team from, contained a small typo, the Shift key having been pressed one character early. After having been shown the evidence and realizing this, Nacho decided to claim that the password was an old password (which we cannot check up on) and thus not correct, hoping to avoid closure and deletion.

I personally quite like Nacho_OuZo and would much rather see him open and playing, but there seems to be way too much coincidence in his case.

P.S. It's PA Team.
This sounds fairly clear to me.

How sad that this guy tries to get away with it with blatant lies !!

And how sad other people believe their lies as I already found out earlier in this round when I told several battlegroups and alliances about their cheating members with evidence. Even the most blatant of lies from their 'friends' is accepted. Battlegroups who accept that their members launch together with their 'sister's' poddless planet in midst of night and shout abuse at me for acusing their 'friend', who would never ever cheat, and refuse to apologise when their member off course gets closed two days later.

People who defend these cheaters should not take what their 'friends' say for the truth always and should accept that what is being done is nescesary.

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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 07:46   #64
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talk about getting caught with their pants down. lol..

who ever reported this to the PA Team.. you have my sincere thanks.. good work =) keep it up.. I realy mean that.

perhaps we should start up a "PA Most Wanted list" or something. where we put up all info we can get about cheaters.. to try to make sure no alliance take them in..

one thing I would like to see PA Team or PA Crew do, is ban cheaters from PA for life (impossible to enforce, but if found.. they should be deleted straight away)
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 07:59   #65
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talk about getting caught with their pants down. lol..

who ever reported this to the PA Team.. you have my sincere thanks.. good work =) keep it up.. I realy mean that.
*snip*
Well they realy reported themselfs tbh.

It's realy funny that the BCs/DCs of most alliances know what will happen if hostile from some ppl popup on someones overview.

1 to 2 min later the support fleets popup (and yes always the same support planets)

So its no surprise to me they are getting closed.
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 10:21   #66
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Well it looks like meddy is being closed again for password sharing. Perhaps alliances can consider that the next time he tries to join them.
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 10:34   #67
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The logs are authentic as they come from OuZo's IRC server administrator himself, XtotheZ.

He read OuZo members' private discussions and then published the logs in order to get their planets closed. They prove that several OuZo members (most of the command staff) were cheating in Planetarion.

I'm not defending these cheaters. They failed the trust of all seriously playing OuZo members and should be ashamed of what they did. It was right that their accounts were closed.

However it was also very wrong to read, use and publish these logs. Actually it is against the law in Finland and all other European countries who are part of European human rights agreement.

Both XtotheZ and PA crew broke the law by using this information. The damage is insignificant though - a group of people lost 10 euros worth game account and rightfully so. There is not enough case even for American lawyers. But still these parties did wrong.

OuZo is a great community of wonderful and colourful people. It has been a home for me for several rounds. This incident has taken OuZo to it's all time morale low point.
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 10:36   #68
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It doesn't look very authentic to me. However, PA Crew wouldn't close them because of that. The logins would have to work, and if they do, then the people closed are daft.
looks authentic to me, since those exact planets attacked my galaxy(7:2) on that date
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The logs are authentic as they come from OuZo's IRC server administrator himself, XtotheZ.

He read OuZo members' private discussions and then published the logs in order to get their planets closed. They prove that several OuZo members (most of the command staff) were cheating in Planetarion.

I'm not defending these cheaters. They failed the trust of all seriously playing OuZo members and should be ashamed of what they did. It was right that their accounts were closed.

However it was also very wrong to read, use and publish these logs. Actually it is against the law in Finland and all other European countries who are part of European human rights agreement.

Both XtotheZ and PA crew broke the law by using this information. The damage is insignificant though - a group of people lost 10 euros worth game account and rightfully so. There is not enough case even for American lawyers. But still these parties did wrong.

OuZo is a great community of wonderful and colourful people. It has been a home for me for several rounds. This incident has taken OuZo to it's all time morale low point.
this round is free...
+ i very much doubt it's illegal to read pm's off your own server anywhere...

and what the hell does it have to do with human rights?
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It's illegal to read private messages addressed to someone other than yourself. Or even to use the information if you managed accidentally read such a message.

The European human rights argeement has an article about privacy.
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It's illegal to read private messages addressed to someone other than yourself. Or even to use the information if you managed accidentally read such a message.

The European human rights argeement has an article about privacy.
hehe

yeah, whatever
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1) There is no room in these forums for levelheadness, Aryn. Clearly they were hacked or didn't make enough scans or something

2) Wonder how long it will be before the 'I WAS HACKED!' threads begin. Well, the 'Folks didn't have enough scans!' threads have begun and those are already quite amusing, thank you for writing them

3) Oh, and sorry about your planet, Scorpio. And your gal.

4) And another thing. Justice is sweet. Now we can see I haven't been talking out of my ass all this time .

5) Looking forward to new excuses for the cheater rep beyond "It's all Cryptic's fault!" More creativity is in order.
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I suggest you re-read and apply it as it is intended, not as a "best fit". XtoTheZ and PATeam did nothing illegal.
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I remember Sjor from r8 Rock when he was closed also for accountsharing with his battlegroup (and moved to Olympians in r9 I think). He even put up a thread on private froums to poll if people thought him to be innocent then. He was rather a nice guy and a decent BC but clearly he is also a blatant cheater. Same for a few others in that log that have had earlier accusations of cheating behind them. I wonder why alliances still take in these people and give them another home for cheating.

And to the members of this particular battlegroup that accused me of lying and framing their 'innocent' members before. Check some facts first and don't blame other people for your own battlegroups cheating !!! You and I know very well that not only those people closed today in your battlegroup have cheated !!!

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Also though from the list of names I've seen it's mostly non Lithuanian LDK closed ? For the 1000th time you were stupid to take in non Liths.
seconded!

From the Salomo-thread we learned that ToT HC don't give a damn about cheating, now some LDK-Germans were closed.
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I suggest you re-read and apply it as it is intended, not as a "best fit". XtoTheZ and PATeam did nothing illegal.
I don't know if it was illegal or not but what I do know is that I won't join the OuZo-priv server again (as long as xthozez is managing it).

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I don't know if it was illegal or not but what I do know is that I won't join the OuZo-priv server again (as long as xthozez is managing it).

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I don't know if it was illegal or not but what I do know is that I won't join the OuZo-priv server again (as long as xthozez is managing it).

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I never said it wasn't morally wrong and I would be in total agreement with you
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Got something to hide?

I dont see the problem, serves them right for cheating.
Yes I got something to hide, that's one of the main reasons to use pm. when i am talking with eg nacho about rl matters, it is none of xthozez's business.
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+ i very much doubt it's illegal to read pm's off your own server anywhere...

and what the hell does it have to do with human rights?
It's illegal in most countries. It's like the phone company listening to and publishing your calls because you're using their network. I'd sue XtoTheZ if that would happen to me .
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 12:58   #82
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It's illegal in most countries. It's like the phone company listening to and publishing your calls because you're using their network. I'd sue XtoTheZ if that would happen to me .
I think you'll find it's illegal to use evidence from a telephone call without permission from the right sources. Even if it were deemed illegal to do it without permission in the case of a server on his own machine I'm sure the techy in question has a disclaimer saying that you abide by certain rules and accept certain situations byb connecting to his server, just like when you ring up an insurance company in this country they have a disclaimer saying that calls may be monitored or recorded for training purposes etc.
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mazzelaar has always reminded me of a hungry hungry hippo. Except instead of eating marbles he just bites the heads off new AD posters
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 13:00   #83
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everyone who is so dumb and get caught with cheating should be closed
stupidness should be punished

and Parthos stfu
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Yes I got something to hide, that's one of the main reasons to use pm. when i am talking with eg nacho about rl matters, it is none of xthozez's business.
I would guess he never read through all the logs, he'd be there all month!

grep is a wonderful tool though
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 13:01   #85
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hello pa crew

i´m not closed yet.. why?

i dont have any scans left.. sorry that my ally bcs give me targets and scans... shame on me.. plz close me...

muhahaha

omg...

well... ehm...

what have i learned?
#1 pa crew made their own rules.. brake all privacy rules..
#2 considering their rules no ally could survive.. cause every hc and bc has a scanner (and ofc needs it to organize raids)
#3 Heartless told me that pa would be better without allies.. and looks like the creators are working against the allys and setting up more idiotical rules. (f.e. the new eta system.. that would kill all well planned attacks)

for me it seems that i just have to blame the top hostile planets and thats the "ok" for the creators to get the tops closed..

pa is getting worse with every round..

plz close me and give me the reason that i dont have scans.. or my ip is not cool.. or so *gg*


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I recommend deleting this post mate - that way people might still be convinced you have an IQ greater than that of a decaying vegetable.
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Unread 10 Jul 2003, 13:08   #87
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how many times do we have to tell you that one coincidence doesn't mean immediate deletion. there are other factors they look at.

planets aren't being closed because they're LDK.. they're being closed because there is sufficient evidence of cheating. other alliances ahve had planets closed, they're just lucky enough to be unnoticed.
think that can be doubted. My question for pa crew are the following:

1. Why are those who sended major fleets to defend Derbio, sliekas, et etc being closed just after they have launched?

2. Why the timing to do this on a time when everybody knows who is under attack and guys from the attacking squad start spamming all channels to join attack?

3. Since when is it not allowed to have some guys in an alliance to focus on scans so the players dont have to spend resources on amps/scans? (thinks of all alliances he's been in and remembers the scanners name even ;P)

4. Why were my reports on some planets from the eclipse, ToT side never investigated (at least i given you some proof and expected some feedback)

Ta (wont get an answer anyway )
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I recommend deleting this post mate - that way people might still be convinced you have an IQ greater than that of a decaying vegetable.

no its just that its really stupid whats going on..
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4. Why were my reports on some planets from the eclipse, ToT side never investigated (at least i given you some proof and expected some feedback)
guess how many ldk planets i reported. never got an answer.
and 36 one one even got re-opened after some time, i gave them more than valid proof
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ever heard of dcc chats ?

i mean, cheating is stupid enough but getting caught by cheating in a stupid way is even more idiotic
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4. Why were my reports on some planets from the eclipse, ToT side never investigated (at least i given you some proof and expected some feedback)
My reports were never examined either. I think they just deleted my mails, because I didn't get any answer, even though I asked them to reply to my mail.
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no its just that its really stupid whats going on..
And I'm afraid posting stuff like you did doesn't make it get any better.

No-one is closed simply because they don't have any scans. I have had no scans and 437 amps all round but I got a few mates who are doing nothing with thier planet so happily do them for me/my BG.
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Its about time these bums got closed ffs.

you cheated, you got caught quit moaning, theres 9 days left, you got off easy.
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Its 100% authentic. Its 'my' log. Those planets are now closed.
Why isn't F2F closed then? his login/pass was in that log too?
Or he was quick enough to change his pass?
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Hmm, I'd like to see you try and bring XtoTheZ to court, they'd throw the case out and laugh at you, if it even got that far. Neither XtoTheZ or PA are big enough for any court to want to make a high profile example of them. On the net people can pretty much do what they want. So it is pointless to bring the law into discussion.

I have no love to loose with Ouzo, an attack by them was my only large loss of roids all round, however I believe XtoTheZ to be completley within his rights to read, and report private convorsations from his server if he used a targeted search of logs for multis/account sharing. Alot of whats wrong with the world, is the law and human rights working for the CRIMINALS rather than the inoccent.

+Frankie2Finger is a cheat? BAD f2f :-/
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Why isn't F2F closed then? his login/pass was in that log too?
Or he was quick enough to change his pass?
Yes.

The login worked on the date it was given, it didnt work 2 days ago.
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