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Unread 25 Jun 2006, 21:50   #1
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[Football] Portugal vs Holland

"The Dutch are a bunch of diving ****s. Discuss."
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Unread 25 Jun 2006, 21:56   #2
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

On a serious note there's plenty to discuss other than the Dutch diving.

I think all the Yellow cards were warranted with the exception of 2. Valente's yellow wasn't a foul. Just as he was coming in Van Persie turned around and some him coming. Valente then tackled from behind but got the ball and not the player. Van Persie then dropped like a bitch (with no/little contact from what i could see). Also Deco's second which i'm pretty "What the ****???" about.

Van Bommel is a little girly girl too. Figo clashes heads with him. 2 to 3 seconds later van Bommel decided to drop to the ground. What a homo.

Still 16 yellow and 4 reds is quite impressive.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

that was a ****ing joke, and its my firm belief that figo should have been sent off for that headbutt
cant see that ref officiating any more games at this world cup like

did you see deco and that dutchie sat on the steps at the end just talking and shaking their heads though?

EDIT: although those 2 portuguese suspensions can only be good for us i suppose
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

Dont worry Koen well beat them for you
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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that was a ****ing joke, and its my firm belief that figo should have been soet off for that headbutt


It wasn't really a headbutt. It was a clash of heads. A proper headbutt does proper damage.

Also if Figo should have been sent off then so should have Sneijder and van der Vaart. All of them assaulted an opposing player.

Also i think Cocu should have got a yellow for manhandling Deco.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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EDIT: although those 2 portuguese suspensions can only be good for us i suppose


I was gonna mention that. Lucky, lucky England.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

Ronaldo and figo will probably both miss it as well. Bad injury and video evidence on that headbutt could put them out. How shit from van basten not bringing on ruud though. I'm guessing the shit dutchies had a pissy fight as per usual and ****ed themselves over. Probably should have brought that ajax fellow, huntelaar or whatever, instead of kuyt or vengenoor who are both worse footballers than peter crouch.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

what eva happens how likely are england gonna be to get through both Brazil and Argentina in that order prolly thats the truth
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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It wasn't really a headbutt. It was a clash of heads. A proper headbutt does proper damage.

Spoken like a true glaswegian.



Thank you dutchies \o/ if you only could have brought on red cards to more of the short arsed bastoods. I was actually hoping for a dutch equaliser and portugal win thereby an extra 30 mins of eliminating faggots from both teams, but alas the dutch are shit.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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what eva happens how likely are england gonna be to get through both Brazil and Argentina in that order prolly thats the truth


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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

The Portugese didn't impress me too much. I reckon we'll give them a good thrashing and get Scolari back for '02 and '04.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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It wasn't really a headbutt. It was a clash of heads. A proper headbutt does proper damage.

Also if Figo should have been sent off then so should have Sneijder and van der Vaart. All of them assaulted an opposing player.

Also i think Cocu should have got a yellow for manhandling Deco.
dont forget van persie
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dont forget van persie


What about van Persie (i can't remember any specific incident)?
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

im english btw ...but supporting argentina :P
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

Diving shits?

Portugal was bringing some theater to the pitch too. That elbow on Figo was nothing, barely touched him. He was just out for another yellow.

Figo should have gotten red two times. shrug.

undeserved loss imo
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just coz my gf is called tina :P


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Diving shits?

Portugal was bringing some theater to the pitch too. That elbow on Figo was nothing, barely touched him. He was just out for another yellow.
Errr, Figo was elbowed quite hard.



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Figo should have gotten red two times. shrug.
Other than the "clash of heads" what should he have gotten the other red for?
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Errr, Figo was elbowed quite hard.
indeed.


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edit: as the resident portuguese, I must admit I'm not proud of the game. However we did score, and up till ronaldo's injury the game was proper so I can only blame the rest on the dutchies.

"they started it"

besides, it's the 4th game the other team tries to beat us with physical abuse, about time we hit them back.

oh and congrats holland for that fair play. we returned the ball TWICE and you start an attack? Deco had to make that foul so you wouldn't score cause we were unprepared and then when our players were checking out if your guy was ok, one of yours comes and pushes one of ours to the ground? wtf was that?
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

Was any of the fair play "rules" left unbroken during this match?

oh.. I liked how Deco and Boulahrouz(?) was sitting there chatting as friends after they had both been shown off.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

was deco and van bronckhorst, barca teammates.

And to Figo's elbow..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...06/4991538.stm

"Soon after Figo was at it again. This time it was his turn to fake serious injury as he tangled with Boulahrouz, who was handed a second booking and dismissed"

Well bbc agrees with me about this drama queen.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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was deco and van bronckhorst, barca teammates.

And to Figo's elbow..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...06/4991538.stm

"Soon after Figo was at it again. This time it was his turn to fake serious injury as he tangled with Boulahrouz, who was handed a second booking and dismissed"

Well bbc agrees with me about this drama queen.
I clearly saw the red bruise under his right eye. He got elbowed pretty hard.

Oh and someone the BBC forgot to mention Ronaldo's thigh incident, the one where a Dutch guy accidentally fell on it with his foot. Remember?
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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was deco and van bronckhorst, barca teammates.

And to Figo's elbow..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...06/4991538.stm

"Soon after Figo was at it again. This time it was his turn to fake serious injury as he tangled with Boulahrouz, who was handed a second booking and dismissed"

Well bbc agrees with me about this drama queen.


The particular BBC writer who wrote that article is a ****ing numpty. There was nothing faked about it. I've watched the replay quite a few times. Figo was caught a beauty.
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Double jepordy dude.
I thought that card was for something he'd said. The ref clearly couldn't see it so its either the linesman(i didn't see them talk) or he saw it on the big screen.
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I thought that card was for something he'd said. The ref clearly couldn't see it so its either the linesman(i didn't see them talk) or he saw it on the big screen.


I'm pretty sure the ref spoke to the linesman.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

still, it was quite possibly one of the poorest refereed games we've seen this time around... I wonder if the FA will be looking into removing some of those cards and giving a few more out. For example when figo (?) headbutted that defender. sure it wasn't full-on, but the intent was obvious ...(altho upon thinking about it, didn't he go back after play and book him for it? i can't remember)
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

I feel the referee should shoulder a fair amount of the blame for the spirit in which the game was played. When he missed Boulahrouz's attrocious assault on that numpty Ronaldo he left the Portuguese thirsting for justice which they set about quenching right away. As for the dutch, they have a colourful history of implosions both on and off the field.

Overall the game was enjoyable to watch, but hardly the kind of football FIFA want to market. I think they'll come down hard on Figo and maybe a few others. Still though, all the better for England and let's face it, they could do with the help. This new 4-5-1 business of theirs is just plain weak.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

I enjoyed seeing the one goalie getting kicked in the face, and the other nearly losing a testicle.

I think football players need to toughen up, and rules need to put in place to stop wankers from acting so much. In hockeys past it had also been a problem having people taking falls, however they now call them for unsportsmanship conduct, and are given a penalty. Watching todays game made me think that football is more of a game, and much less then a sport.
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i tried to record the game but my vcr died or something :/

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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

i now remember again why i hate figo that much... but i have to admit; great acting, he made the turning point in the match. should have been sent off twice, but when that didn't happen, he made it become 10 vs 10 instead of 9 vs 11. well done.

(why this ref was allowed to do this match after having seen france - switserland, is beyond me).

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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

Besides the completely shit referee we didn't deserve much more. We've been rather mediocre since the start of this tournament, especially our midfield isn't what it should be so I can live with this early elimination.


To get back at Dace, about why I would think an England - Holland match would be awesome; I know both sides have been playing shit and I didn't really expect that to get better when both sides meet but for me it's like a match between Germany - Holland or Germany - England or even Argentina - Brazil. These matches are always great to watch no matter the quality of play.
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Besides the completely shit referee we didn't deserve much more. We've been rather mediocre since the start of this tournament, especially our midfield isn't what it should be so I can live with this early elimination.


To get back at Dace, about why I would think an England - Holland match would be awesome; I know both sides have been playing shit and I didn't really expect that to get better when both sides meet but for me it's like a match between Germany - Holland or Germany - England or even Argentina - Brazil. These matches are always great to watch no matter the quality of play.
Must just be you dutch that feel that way then.

Id be much more excited about England - Germany, England - Argentina, than playing your bunch of diving misfits.

Holland for me are just "another" team, nothing really special about playing them, the dutch team have KoeN to thank for my hatred of them
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

boularuz (yes i know thats spelt incorrectly) should never have been booked for tousling with figo, was it **** an elbow, it was his triceps that actually hit figo, and thats cos they were both trying to get in front of each other.


and van persie pushed ricardo over in about the 85th? minute
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

If that russian had send Boularouz off right at the beginning when he kicked down Ronaldo, maybe things wouldn't have gone that much out of hand.
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Must just be you dutch that feel that way then.

Yeah probably, Personally I always had some kind of crush for the English sides eventhough they never meet up their expectations.
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Yeah probably, Personally I always had some kind of crush for the English sides eventhough they never meet up their expectations.
It's nice to see the Dutch have always lived upto theirs though
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No we didn't


It seems the infantility of these boards increase skyhigh during the worldcup for some reason.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

Unfortunately football has always been a nice substitute for nationalistic idiocy since we stopped invading Africa so much.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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oh and 'sup'

edit: as the resident portuguese, I must admit I'm not proud of the game. However we did score, and up till ronaldo's injury the game was proper so I can only blame the rest on the dutchies.

"they started it"

besides, it's the 4th game the other team tries to beat us with physical abuse, about time we hit them back.

oh and congrats holland for that fair play. we returned the ball TWICE and you start an attack? Deco had to make that foul so you wouldn't score cause we were unprepared and then when our players were checking out if your guy was ok, one of yours comes and pushes one of ours to the ground? wtf was that?
Up until Ronaldo's injury it was a proper game.... so what for all of 5 mins


On the England front I think the Sendings off, the Injuries and the Bookings (after all arent all those booked players now risking missing the final if they get booked against England) could actually ruin the game and destroy Englands chances. England seem content in this world cup of scoring a lucky goal despite not looking at all threatening in the final thrid and the sitting back and if the team is going to really start playing well I firmly believe we needed to come up against a strong Portugeses side whom would bring the game to England and take the lead. Then I think we would see the real England and not this defensive and negative crap that Svens having us play
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

This world cup has been amusing if only to hear the range of excuses why England are so crushingly mediocre. "We only play well against attacking teams", "We only play well against good teams!", "We need someone to take the lead against us". "We need for our teams families to be kidnapped by terrists who will cut off a limb every ten minutes we don't score a goal".

Maybe we're just not very good.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

You forgot the heat. Basically the coach is piss poor and half your team is horribly over-rated. Look at chelsea, everyone says lampard and terry are two of their best players but compare how they've played in this world cup with players like essien or crespo or carvalho. A lot of english players lack composure on the ball, I think carrick is a step towards righting this imbalance but obviously being thrown into a underperforming side in a must-win game isn't exactly the easiest of introductions. After this world cup McClaren must sit down and decide on his best team. If this means leaving out gerrard or lampard or owen or beckham the decision has to be made.
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"We only play well against attacking teams", "We only play well against good teams!",
these are logical though. England tend to get bogged down against teams playing 11 men behind the ball. Rooney and Owen are excellent forwards but being triple-marked tends to make that redundant. Beckham's crosses are always well-placed, but there's only so much you can do when there are 5 defenders in the 6-yard box. gerrard and cole's recent form means lampard's poor form can be overlooked as we still have people on the pitch who can ping in excellent shots from anywhere in the opposing half against defensive teams, but still.

Against a better, attacking team which is ever in a position to play the ball forward, however, there is room. Roomfor strikers to manoeuver. Room so that crosses can be run onto. Room so that balls can be knocked down for other players. England are better at these things.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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This world cup has been amusing if only to hear the range of excuses why England are so crushingly mediocre. "We only play well against attacking teams", "We only play well against good teams!", "We need someone to take the lead against us". "We need for our teams families to be kidnapped by terrists who will cut off a limb every ten minutes we don't score a goal".

Maybe we're just not very good.
The group of players England has are extreamly good, in fact its probally the strongest group we have had for a long time (although would have been even stronger if Sven hadnt wasted spaces on the likes of Theo Walcott) and if we played to the strengths of these players we would do well. Its the defensive tactics that we are adopting with players whom are being picked largely on how famous they are rather than whos best in the required position thats our downfall.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

Wait, when exactly did england play well against a good team and what's stopping any even vaguely tactically aware side from adopting slightly defensive tactics against england and pretty much cancelling them out?
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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Wait, when exactly did england play well against a good team and what's stopping any even vaguely tactically aware side from adopting slightly defensive tactics against england and pretty much cancelling them out?
Because that side needs to be able to score goals as well, against what has been a miserly defence. England seem to find a goal or two in every game, even if no-one knows where it's going to come from.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

What do you mean a miserly defence? You've played one side with real strikers and they scored two goals against you.


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He said: "Jesus said we should turn the other cheek, unfortunately, Figo is not Jesus Christ."
This is my favourite quote of the world cup so far.
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What do you mean a miserly defence? You've played one side with real strikers and they scored two goals against you.
Sweden. Our 'bogey' team. We have a Swedish coach. We were never going to win, so once we scored we were always going to concede due to fate and general uncoolness of the universe.

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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

I'd be more inclined to mark down the likes of stern john and augustine delgado in the non-world class striker department and say your defence is pretty useless. With the exception of snoop dog, who I have the greatest of respect for for the amount of effort he must put in being a professional rapper and a professional footballer at the same time.
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Re: [Football] Portugal vs Holland

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Wait, when exactly did england play well against a good team and what's stopping any even vaguely tactically aware side from adopting slightly defensive tactics against england and pretty much cancelling them out?
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Friendly: England 3-2 Argentina, 12 November 2005 at Stade de Geneve, Geneva (England: Rooney 39, Owen 87, 92; Argentina: Crespo 35, Samuel 54)
A win is a win Jonny, isn't it always a sign of a good team that they are winning when playing extremely poorly? Id be ALOT more worried if we were playing superb and returning the results we are getting.

On the plus side, its only another 4 years of this type of management, then maybe we will have an opportunity to recruit a decent manager again.
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