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Unread 2 Jun 2005, 07:53   #1
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I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

Will you guys be asking PATeam to split your alliances back into different tags once there are <7 ticks left?
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

good question, doubt it though, they will both probably fall below t10
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

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good question, doubt it though, they will both probably fall below t10
But I was under the impression that it wasn't to do with rank, but sharing defense and experience. Rank is rather irrelevant if you're not first, isn't it?
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

We are not splitting anyone, its not an offered feature in the manual - merging does have risks - it can't be undone.
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

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But I was under the impression that it wasn't to do with rank, but sharing defense and experience. Rank is rather irrelevant if you're not first, isn't it?
of c that is what we were told, but im pretty sure niether alliance would like to end the round outside of the top10 you dont agree?
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We are not splitting anyone, its not an offered feature in the manual - merging does have risks - it can't be undone.
Why not? Surely splitting is less disruptive* than merging?

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of c that is what we were told, but im pretty sure niether alliance would like to end the round outside of the top10 you dont agree?
Again I ask, what does rank matter if you're not #1?
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

ah yes forgot to answer that, and i agree, but look at it from there pov going from top10 alliances last round to not even top10 this round, bit embarrasing isnt it?
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

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Will you guys be asking PATeam to split your alliances back into different tags once there are <7 ticks left?
The merge wasnt about ranks indeed, but that doesnt mean we didnt set any goals for it..
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

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Again I ask, what does rank matter if you're not #1?

It does to those alliances who will never come close to finishing #1.
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It does to those alliances who will never come close to finishing #1.
That's exactly why they'll never come close to finishing #1.

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ah yes forgot to answer that, and i agree, but look at it from there pov going from top10 alliances last round to not even top10 this round, bit embarrasing isnt it?
How so? I mean, ToT isn't even top10, but they're easily rated as better than SiNND.
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

lol, just for stating the obvious, ND and SiN has no benefits from splitting again, so why should they?

It may very well be that they are already planning close cooporation also next round, maybe even they're staying merged for now. Who knows. Why not let SiNND handle their internal politics as just that, internal politics?
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

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That's exactly why they'll never come close to finishing #1.

How so? I mean, ToT isn't even top10, but they're easily rated as better than SiNND.
true, but lets ask this question, how far would sin fall if they took the ~30 players they brought into the merge and went under a seperate tag, and where would that leave ND with there 60~ players. I guess the point im making is there is no benefit from splitting up because they merged to increase moral? So now splitting would see them both out of the top10 and a dissapointing performance in there eyes?
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lol, just for stating the obvious, ND and SiN has no benefits from splitting again, so why should they?
I don't know. The most obvious reason is that they lost some respect among some people* that they might want to regain.

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Could be.

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Why not let SiNND handle their internal politics as just that, internal politics?
Who says I'm not? I'm just curious. Like the thread title states, I'm too lazy to pop by #newdawn or #sin or whatever their public channel is these days.

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true, but lets ask this question, how far would sin fall if they took the ~30 players they brought into the merge and went under a seperate tag, and where would that leave ND with there 60~ players.
Who cares? They've already admitted (or claimed, depending on how you look at it) that the merge was not for rank reasons.

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I guess the point im making is there is no benefit from splitting up because they merged to increase moral?
If they merged for morale, how is staying together for 6 more ticks going to increase their morale for a round that doesn't even have a political landscape yet?

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So now splitting would see them both out of the top10 and a dissapointing performance in their eyes?
The performance remains the same, which is why I stated <7 ticks. At that point their remaining performance is the same regardless of ending rank.

Let me put it to you this way. I ended last round in the pr0nstars tag, despite playing most of it in 1up. Does it lessen my performance or contribution because the tag I ended the game in was not even top15?
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

SiNND has played as 1 alliance for a large part of the round. For the end ranks, we will be judged as one alliance.
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SiNND has played as 1 alliance for a large part of the round. For the end ranks, we will be judged as one alliance.
There's our answer then. Thanks.
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

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Will you guys be asking PATeam to split your alliances back into different tags once there are <7 ticks left?
SINND HC are probably too lazy to get it changed back

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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

As stated above Kal or any PA Team member wount split it up. There is nothing in the manual that say this is possible.

We have no reason to split up at all. Splitting up because someone else wants it, sounds a little stupid or ?
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

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It may very well be that they are already planning close cooporation also next round, maybe even they're staying merged for now. Who knows.
maybe he has hit the nail on the head here, pa team has refused to split them we will only find out if the merger was for rank or to share experiance and membership when they sign up for next round.

the real question should be will they be playing next round as SiNND or SiN and ND? doubt we will get a decent answer tho , go on i dare ya
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

We will not be playing as one alliance next round. A lot of people hoped we had, but there were a few problems, one of the biggest being the name. SiN would never lose the name, and ND has played every round under the name, and we wont lose it either.

Of course, there were other problems. Its been successful for both alliances, and we'll part on good terms.
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Thought the name was lost this round?
I will always remember this round as there being No SiN or ND just SiNND.
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well you always remember wrong
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We have no reason to split up at all. Splitting up because someone else wants it, sounds a little stupid or ?
Allow me to make this perfectly clear. I won't think more or less of you either way.

I was simply curious. Not trying to score points, make a point, or point a finger.
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Is this a way to treat your m/puppets? Imo it's their decision and alliance rankings don't really count. In the eyes of many PA players both alliances will remain as low-level top20 'n00b' allies. Merging them did them nothing, just helped their enemies to target them. And considering your views and mine I can safely assume that a lot of other people feel the same way about this 'witty' sinnd group.
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Is this a way to treat your m/puppets? Imo it's their decision and alliance rankings don't really count. In the eyes of many PA players both alliances will remain as low-level top20 'n00b' allies. Merging them did them nothing, just helped their enemies to target them. And considering your views and mine I can safely assume that a lot of other people feel the same way about this 'witty' sinnd group.

low-level top20 n00b alliances.. thats classic.

Were you born this clueless? Or did you have to work for it?
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alliance rankings don't really count
I'm sure there are plenty of players who could agree with that about round 13.
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Is this a way to treat your m/puppets?
My whats? I'm sorry, but whoever's whatevers they are, they definitely aren't mine.

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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

Just want to say one thing to SiN:
Bad, very bad!
Merging with ND was a bad thing. A bit like doing stuffing with a pig.
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Why not? Surely splitting is less disruptive* than merging
Problem is, due to the way merging works it isnt possible to reverse it without a complete list of who was in who beforehand, which isnt kept.
What happens is, all members of both alliances are assigned to a new alliance with a different allianceid number, and name.
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We will not be playing as one alliance next round. A lot of people hoped we had, but there were a few problems, one of the biggest being the name. SiN would never lose the name, and ND has played every round under the name, and we wont lose it either.
Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet? (That was remarkably pretentious even by my lofty standards!)
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Just want to say one thing to SiN:
Bad, very bad!
Merging with ND was a bad thing. A bit like doing stuffing with a pig.

plz tell me why it was so bad? i really want to know
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Problem is, due to the way merging works it isnt possible to reverse it without a complete list of who was in who beforehand, which isnt kept.
What happens is, all members of both alliances are assigned to a new alliance with a different allianceid number, and name.
The old ones then cease to exist.
I didn't mean that sort of splitting. I just meant 'they hand PAteam a list, PAteam does it'.
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I didn't mean that sort of splitting. I just meant 'they hand PAteam a list, PAteam does it'.
In the fourth post of this thread pateam expressly state they don't "split" alliances.
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We got more incs after we merged? Didn't look like that to me... maybe a tiny little bit more. But defense was much easier... so how is/was this a bad thing for us?
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We got more incs after we merged? Didn't look like that to me... maybe a tiny little bit more. But defense was much easier... so how is/was this a bad thing for us?
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Heh, not going on as one alliance cause of a name...
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

erh, why are we still whining about this nonsense? nd and sin merged for the remainder of the round afaik so why bring it up again?

on a sidenote, ND are whiners, but they have laughable topics in their public chan \o/
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Oke, not going on as one alliance mainly cause of a name...
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We got more incs after we merged? Didn't look like that to me... maybe a tiny little bit more. But defense was much easier... so how is/was this a bad thing for us?
everything isnt about having most ships at your side. If you are smart, then 1 ship counts as 10, and if you use them smart vs ND then 1 ship counts like ~20. im quite sure you remember me roiding you with my solo attacks
Maybe it did give you bad self-confidence and you started to think about yourself as "we suck" and probably sin started to think so too (after kicking me), so then some smart guy come up with the crazy idea that "lets suck thogeter, then maybe we suck less" But you forget that when 2 is sucking thogeter then it only becomes more sucking. Not good at all.

Stuffing with a pig might feel good, but I dont think its the right thing to do. Tought from the pig´s point of view it doesnt matter who is stuffing as long someone is doing it. So I do understand why ND are doing it. But for sin; bad move Makes me very dissapointed at you. Even mentioning that I ever been in sin makes people to laugh at me


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SiNND has played as 1 alliance for a large part of the round. For the end ranks, we will be judged as one alliance.
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Thought the name was lost this round?
I will always remember this round as there being No SiN or ND just SiNND.
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well you always remember wrong
am i the only one who see's this GLARING contradiction ???

but then the fact they aint playing together next round surely shows they took the easy way out for rank to save themselves from an average round (and ended up having an average round :P)

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im quite sure you remember me roiding you with my solo attacks
I'm not quite sure your r12 attacks counted as solo.
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

This is just my personal opinion; but I would be happy to have PA split the alliances again.

I'm not bothered about the rank, SiNND made the game fun for me again and I'm sure it helped many others too. This is what the merger was for. I think the fact our average score climed from rank 10 to rank 8, for instance, shows how it increased our performance.

So, if PA team were willing to perform the split, I for one would be perfectly happy to let it happen.
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I'm not quite sure your r12 attacks counted as solo.
well...
But if im the only one attacking, then its solo, right?
There is a clear difference between attacks and defence.
Even if the defenders happends to be friends (just a few times) then its still defence. Clearly defence is there because there is attackers. So the defence is there to fight against the attackers.
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Re: I'm too lazy to PM SiNND HC

damn why didnt they think of merging LCH and ToT to make defence easier and keep morale up, if they were able to split at end of round back to indivual allies.


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