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Unread 7 Mar 2008, 13:28   #101
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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Probably ND. Unless a fresh batch of players take interest in the game again. urwins seemed to be decent. Ascendancy. Afther that is a toss up between who is interested.
I wouldn't write off CT and Jen.

CT have plenty of good, active players and officers. Their problem seemed to be a lack of member control (top planets not hitting the enemy, for example. Whether by ignorance or by planetNAPs (hi ronin?)). This is fixable.

ND's advantage this round seemed to stem from launching more waves on the enemy ( up to ~50% more fleets, according to picking numbers sometimes shared with CT BCs), being able to successfully hide significant score and CT crashing half of their members with a week to go.

The loss of ToF will hurt them, but they'll still be a force.

Jen seem very confident, and I know absolutely nothing about how Nox or others will turn out.

EDIT: I'm going to make a t10 prediction of Asc, Jen, CT, ND, xVx, VGN, ToF, Rock, Nox, Hidden Agenda.

Provided Nox play with 40 players inc scanners and everyone else brings 60. And the universe gangs up on ND. If the universe doesn't, I'd push ND to 2nd.
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Unread 7 Mar 2008, 14:47   #102
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

lol @ NoX with just 40 members.

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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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CT have plenty of good, active players and officers. Their problem seemed to be a lack of member control (top planets not hitting the enemy, for example. Whether by ignorance or by planetNAPs (hi ronin?)). This is fixable.
I doubt CT would kick 60% of their members. (Or is there another solution?)
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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lol @ NoX with just 40 members.

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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

well obviously now whoever gets up to 75 members wins, makes this round a battle of recruitment, gives established alliances the edge I would think.

on that note I will predict ND, CT, xVx, Asc, Jenova

xVx might even be higher as they had a lot of out of tag support, presumably their 2nd tag will be merged with their 1st. ND also had a lot of support so keep em top.

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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

Yeah with 75member limit, ND will have a huge advantage. It's up to xVx and CT to try and stop them now, and I doubt either of them will be able to improve that much from their last round piss-poor performances.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

only a merger between 2 aliances now have a chance of stopping ND
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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only a merger between 2 aliances now have a chance of stopping ND
could be done by joint tagging like ToF-Orbit in r24 rather than a full merger, would mean that smaller alliances could have full tag, however it does require the two alliances in question to be close enough to know they can last the commitment of being in a bloc for a whole round
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

Joint tags are an interesting idea, if they become a more widespread phenomenon next round, I'll look forward to see how they work out.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

The player base is likely to be the same or smaller than last time and with several new/re-emerging alliances - ToF Nox Redemption Jenova, only 3 that I know of not playing InS Subh Urwins that means that even with 60 intag thre would be a squeeze

Joint tags could be interesting, particularly with possible friction between the larger and smaller parts of the tag - unfortunately those things aint played out in public. It is a shame that the counted score system kinda stops splits, so no wars when they decide they cant actually stand each other after all which would have been fun to watch
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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only 3 that I know of not playing InS Subh Urwins
Add TGV aswell in there. But insomnia did not finiush the round, and many ins members went in other allies, so can't really count it in.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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Add TGV aswell in there. But insomnia did not finiush the round, and many ins members went in other allies, so can't really count it in.
hmm not sure if that is true, I know its not yet certain TGV will play but Kargool has not yet said TGV are disbanding, and would obviously like TGV to carry on.

Tho the change to 75 will almost certainly put even more of a squeeze on TGV than there already is.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

The 75 ppl in tag thing opens the possibility of victory by merger, Im not totally sure how an alliance merger works but I think they keep the counted scores of both so 2 alliances of 50 could kick out their 13 worst ppl in the last week and merge, thus possibly beating ND.
It seems seriously underhand tho so I hope this dosnt/cant happen
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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Tho the change to 75 will almost certainly put even more of a squeeze on TGV than there already is.

Will it? TGV seem to have a pretty solid performance going on and I'd guess they won't lose too many players to defections to 'top' alliances. Ofc, I could be totally wrong.

As for memberlimit; according to ND intel, the entire top 4 were over 60 players.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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Will it? TGV seem to have a pretty solid performance going on and I'd guess they won't lose too many players to defections to 'top' alliances. Ofc, I could be totally wrong.
I agree with you that TGV has tended to keep a pretty similar rank from round to round, however this is not really due to having the same set of players, there was a very big change in the member base between round 24 and 25 and I imagine that there will be again.

generally I think that in these threads TGV is rated too low, although very few ppl have put TGV in their T10. I am sure that TGV will be in the top 10 alliances.

tho for all I know OlaTa might be right...
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I agree with you that TGV has tended to keep a pretty similar rank from round to round, however this is not really due to having the same set of players, there was a very big change in the member base between round 24 and 25 and I imagine that there will be again.

generally I think that in these threads TGV is rated too low, although very few ppl have put TGV in their T10. I am sure that TGV will be in the top 10 alliances.

tho for all I know OlaTa might be right...
I'd heard TGV were folding, and I guess some others assumed that too.

If they're playing, then I'd definitely put them t10. TGV have been consistently impressive.
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I'd heard TGV were folding, and I guess some others assumed that too.
I guess it shows how uncertain things are that I dont have a clue, although I am not playing with TGV next round I did not really hear much either way while I was still in (and my leaving has very little to do with whether TGV is playing or not...) I would very much like to be able to say for sure I know that TGV wont be disbanding however I fear that kargool shot himself in the foot when he said he hoped TGV would be continuing as quite a few members who had not known until then that there was a possibility of TGV folding immediately began looking for other options.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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As for memberlimit; according to ND intel, the entire top 4 were over 60 players.
We had, if I recall correctly, 72/73 ascendancy "members". I'm, slightly differently to everyone else it seems, very much in favour of higher tag limits. I wouldn't count alliance scores either though so hey.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

ppl join TGV find its Run by Kargool as tho he was Czar of All the Russias and leave again next round right?
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ppl join TGV find its Run by Kargool as tho he was Czar of All the Russias and leave again next round right?
lol, no matter what ppl might think of kargools higherachical style I think the main reason for TGV members leaving is likely to be that TGV is seen as being a small alliance, worth joining for a round if you have too but then move on once you can get into a better alliance...

but the topic of TGV, and what it may be, or may not be doing next round is moving away from who might win next round.

I rather liked your mergers idea as a way of sneeking to victory, no idea if it works with the counted score system tho, perhaps we will see something like a TGV/ToF merger late on in the round winning next round
can someone enlighten me as to whether that can actually work, would a merger keep both scores counted, or does one alliance count as having totally detagged? is a merger even possible in the current system?
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We had, if I recall correctly, 72/73 ascendancy "members". I'm, slightly differently to everyone else it seems, very much in favour of higher tag limits. I wouldn't count alliance scores either though so hey.
And NewDawn had 74 'members' iirc. xVx/5th Asylum was 82 tagged up ingame. If Urwins and Conspiracy would reveal their membercounts, it would make us better able ot judge the effect of 75 member tags.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

I'm not sure exactly how many members we had (we had 6-7 or so quit during the round). I think before round started we had 60-65. With insomnia dying got 5 people apply mid round so we probably topped out at 70 total applicants. Reese would know better than I she was the IA HC.
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Vengeance stuck to the 60 player limit - as I stated we would before the round started. We had to turn away a few applicants though.

And, as I also predicted, we finished outside the top 5 for the first time in many rounds.
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And, as I also predicted, we finished outside the top 5 for the first time in many rounds.
Doesn't take a genius to predict that one. I could sit here and give you a whole freakin list of alliances that *won't* end in the top 5 next round, and I bet you a credit I'm right.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

After several attempts to secure the officers to go on into round 26 we found simply it was not doable, with the added punishment of +15 members to each tag, we simply saw it as an waste of time to put things halfway together.

TGV will not play next round, and its simply ****ing sad to see that once again the PA team has no sense at all in terms of alliance tags. But we shouldn't be surprised now should we.

The honor of the PA team when they decide to piss on the work the people behind TGV have put together just shows how out of touch with the player base they are.

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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

Feb 16 20:49:45 <Kargool> mac's quitting after this round though.
Feb 16 20:49:54 <Kargool> dont think tgv will carry on either, we'll see.


Oh look here comes kargool on his self-righteous bicycle to take a shot at pateam for a decision he personally disagrees with by citing them as a reason for a decision he'd made anyways.
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Feb 16 20:49:45 <Kargool> mac's quitting after this round though.
Feb 16 20:49:54 <Kargool> dont think tgv will carry on either, we'll see.


Oh look here comes kargool on his self-righteous bicycle to take a shot at pateam for a decision he personally disagrees with by citing them as a reason for a decision he'd made anyways.
Yeah, and JBG who has no ****ing clue as to what went on behind the scenes in both PA team and on irc. Your ignorance is as shocking as your incompetence.
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If anyone wants to hear the full story behind how appalling incompetent they are, feel free to pm me on irc.
Now there is an invitation to which my grandma would have said 'those that dont come out of the fire to hear that deserve to get burnt!"
This shows the effects of the 75 player tag immediately as damaging....
on the other hand the ex-TGVers will find plenty of places in a crowded alliance market
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Feb 16 20:49:45 <Kargool> mac's quitting after this round though.
Feb 16 20:49:54 <Kargool> dont think tgv will carry on either, we'll see.


Oh look here comes kargool on his self-righteous bicycle to take a shot at pateam for a decision he personally disagrees with by citing them as a reason for a decision he'd made anyways.
I dont think that is true, from the perspective of someone in TGV it looked like kargool still wanted TGV to continue even without mac, Kargool was looking for a replacement (appologies for turning it down - tho I believe he had found someone) so while things were in the balance it is likely that it is the change to alliance limits of 75 that is the straw that broke the camels back.
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Yeah, and JBG who has no ****ing clue as to what went on behind the scenes in both PA team and on irc. Your ignorance is as shocking as your incompetence.
There goes kargool on his self-righteous bicycle. Wave goodbye kids!
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If people feel an alliance is worth staying in, they will do regardless of the alliance limits being lowered or raise. Kargool you might want to reflect that in this case you are wrong.
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If people feel an alliance is worth staying in, they will do regardless of the alliance limits being lowered or raise. Kargool you might want to reflect that in this case you are wrong.
I had plenty of people staying in the ally if we wanted to keep it running, however, TGV has always been insistent on that we are to have a fixed officers crew and the guarantee that activity with officers wont be a problem. The people that left us after this round was nothing more than normal, the decision not to play was made because of the difficulty running an active alliance with no officers because they didn't have time or decided to quit PA, some left for pastures green, but no-one of the officers did that how ever, they just quitted.

The pressure on the alliance with the tags being made even bigger this round made the decision easy for us as we saw there was no way in hell we could compete for our members.

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I'm not sure exactly how many members we had (we had 6-7 or so quit during the round). I think before round started we had 60-65. With insomnia dying got 5 people apply mid round so we probably topped out at 70 total applicants. Reese would know better than I she was the IA HC.
We topped out at 69. Finished with about 65. We never had 80 as some intel claimed.
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Use a scattered hierarchy then, not a linear one!
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Use a scattered hierarchy then, not a linear one!
We're simply not setup for such a fantastic alliance system as the one you're in.

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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

given how hard things were with the number of officers we had last round things would have been just impossible with even fewer, it is just not possible for an alliance to play if there are not dc's all through the night for defence, or any bcs for raids... no matter how dedicated the core member base if there was not going to be attacks or defense what would be the point in the alliance!
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When over 30% of the TGV raids were set up by me, I guess I should have seen the warningsigns coming!
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When over 30% of the TGV raids were set up by me, I guess I should have seen the warningsigns coming!
hmm I always found that really odd, I would have thought that there would have been loads of people who could work out the raids, afterall there were always plenty of members demanding raids!!
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We're simply not setup for such a fantastic alliance system as the one you're in.

While many prefer playing easy rider, we preferred it playing like this.
Hm. Let's see. What did we do to start with the scattered hierarchy... oh right, we simply gave everyone full arbiter access and told people "don't be shit". Granted, members must be able to have a rather thick skin, but hey, it's the internet, one should have that over here anyway.
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given how hard things were with the number of officers we had last round things would have been just impossible with even fewer, it is just not possible for an alliance to play if there are not dc's all through the night for defence, or any bcs for raids... no matter how dedicated the core member base if there was not going to be attacks or defense what would be the point in the alliance!
Hey, Ascendancy is constantly finishing higher than TGV. And we have no officers.
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Doesn't take a genius to predict that one. I could sit here and give you a whole freakin list of alliances that *won't* end in the top 5 next round, and I bet you a credit I'm right.
I'm prepared to bet you that credit that none of the alliances you list will be ones which had finished in the top 5 in ALL of the previous 5 rounds.
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Hey, Ascendancy is constantly finishing higher than TGV. And we have no officers.
lol I made an argument to mac about moving TGV more towards the ascendancy style of doing things and he was not buying it one bit! I am not sure that your style of doing things would work so well in smaller alliances where the members expect to have things organised for them
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We topped out at 69. Finished with about 65. We never had 80 as some intel claimed.
The problem with your statement.
Is that our intel wasn't "intel".
It was a list copied out of your own arby. So if it wasn't correct. you must have added many planets in your arby to fool.. hmm.. yourself?
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lol I made an argument to mac about moving TGV more towards the ascendancy style of doing things and he was not buying it one bit! I am not sure that your style of doing things would work so well in smaller alliances where the members expect to have things organised for them
Ascendancy makes its members well aware that they cannot expect anything. They have to achieve things themselves. We are no kindergarden where nannies are required to make the little children feel comfortable.

IMHO one of the biggest mistakes alliances can make is to tell their members that they don't need to do anything themselves. That includes telling them that they don't have to organize their defense and stuff.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

heh I don't think there is any way TGV could have gone that far down the route of decentralization, would have meant that all the defense would have gone to me and BiGBaD! Although I like the ascendancy way of doing things it either requires players to be active or willing to accept complete responsibility for themselves and not be bothered when they are not online and they get incoming. Obviously this cant be the case for all alliances as the majority of people who wish to play would rather rely on others (the HC/officer team) so that they can get on with rl as well as playing. There needs to be a wide range of different alliance styles and Ascendancy fills a one niche. I believe that TGV was one of several alliances that filled another: that of small decent alliances that would help new active players get on their feet in the game, and who could after a fashion keep up with the big boys.

Anyhow I once again seem to have lead this thread off on a tangent that is not too relevant to the original topic.

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Hey, Ascendancy is constantly finishing higher than TGV. And we have no officers.
Or you could look at it other way around, and say that you got way more officers than any other alliance around
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surely it's impossible to have an officer when there is nobody for them to have control over? there's just no structure
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So if it wasn't correct. you must have added many planets in your arby
that is correct. ill expound, though no one cares heh.. we did have planets added that werent in urwins and it had nothing to do with "fooling" anyone there was another reason.. and we never had more then 69 players.. and for most of the round we never had more then 69 marked as urwins in our arb despite anything else.. so there ya go, youre free to think what you want.
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