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Unread 12 Mar 2014, 22:17   #1
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R56 prediction thread

So who will win, and who will be the this rounds vikings?
What will be the most played race, and wich race will be the most present in top20?
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Re: R56 prediction thread

a bit premature im making no bets till I find out alliance strategies
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Re: R56 prediction thread

didn't we see last round that strategies dont mean squat and it's all to do with politics?
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Re: R56 prediction thread

Imho strategy and consistency is what counts, politics means squat.
If you are in the position and got the luck and blessing of the smaller alliances in the final stages is what allows you to win.
HR, FAnG and ROCK had 0% of the top50 and only 5 planets in the top100 last round which might suggest they either had a bad strategy or were playing for some of the other tags.
Also FL claims their political choice in the end was one big misunderstanding rather then a planned move
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What complete utter crap. Last round was all about politics. Plain and simple.
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I agree with clouds
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What complete utter crap. Last round was all about politics. Plain and simple.
You cannot decide what other alliance choose to do, certain alliances has struggled to control their own members.
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Understanding, working with and to some extent deciding what other alliances do is integral to your own aims. This is politics.

There was a reason last round that Ult had 5 alliances backing them up and doing there bidding (and why some of those alliances have already agreed to do the same this round).

That is politics.
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Re: R56 prediction thread

Every alliance has their own agenda, and their own ethical code, you cannot make any alliance do anything against their own biddings.
Vikings claimed FL backstabbing them last round, FL denied this saying it was a mistake, a mistake leading to FL winning
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Re: R56 prediction thread

That's exactly what PA politics is: convincing people to do what you want them to, or to refrain from doing what you don't want them to. You can't control what other alliances do, but you can influence it.

Why are we even talking about this?
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Re: R56 prediction thread

So back to the prediction........................

1. Immortals (Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha)
2. Ultores
3. CT
4. Vikings
5. Spore
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Also FL claims their political choice in the end was one big misunderstanding rather then a planned move
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Vikings claimed FL backstabbing them last round, FL denied this saying it was a mistake, a mistake leading to FL winning
FL had two possibilities of mistakes and opted for the fattest and more political fragile misunderstanding.
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FL had two possibilities of mistakes and opted for the fattest and more political fragile misunderstanding.
You can't have it both ways, that's my point.
Claiming something was not planned, and then people say it was a well planned political victory is funny
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Re: R56 prediction thread

1. FAnG
2. Faceless
3. CT
4. Vikings
5. Apprime
6. Ultores
7. Insomnia
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Politics will win, blockers will lose.

Could be a fun round tho, seems like Bitcher has found his retard mojo again!

Now do i play PA again or stick with FF14?

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I'm playing FF13 - 3, lightnings return! badass game.
I don't know which alliances are playing full tag next round. If ultores is full again.
#1 Ults.
If ult isn't full
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What complete utter crap. Last round was all about politics. Plain and simple.
Politics means a lot, and it can make a huge difference in performance. However, you also need military power/strategy/consistency to really make it count. Many alliances have finished 2nd but not been able to make 1st because quite simply, there was too much opposition out there for politics on its own to overcome it, and they weren't good enough on their own. ND for example, have done this many times.

If alliances react to defeat by playing to stop others from winning rather than to improve their own position, then the answer is quite simply to not play politics or be a factor at all until very late in the round, if you can get away with it. This is pretty much how Faceless played last round, and I have my doubts that it was an intentional strategy beyond trying to get individually big planets. Of course if everyone plays like that, then the best alliance (Ultores) will win and then you get back to a state where you need to be more proactive.

The scenario for next round is pretty obvious. Ultores are going to throw a huge block at Spore, so there's no one to stop them using a combination of politics and military. This is a good strategy, because arguably there's no one as proactive as Spore to take advantage of that, and there looks to be some kind of attempt to take them out the running, early. The only reason you had politics as such a factor in r55 was because Spore created a scenario where it could happen (the alternative was everyone getting stomped by Ultores).
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lokken plz you make it sound like there is pre-round block vs spore. you should know ultores dont make pre round blocks, thats just bad politics.
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lokken plz you make it sound like there is pre-round block vs spore. you should know ultores dont make pre round blocks, thats just bad politics.
There is.

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Any more details of who is bumming who this round?
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lokken plz you make it sound like there is pre-round block vs spore. you should know ultores dont make pre round blocks, thats just bad politics.
OK, last round your HC got caught out completely cold by a surprise move from Spore, and lost the round within the space of a couple of weeks, making you completely lose hope before half the round was over. Given that this happened, I'd hardly rule out the idea of your HC playing 'bad politics'. Ultores v Spore was a losing battle for Ultores for political reasons, yet they persisted with it for hundreds of ticks, instead of doing something different to try and get them back in the fight for #1.

Not that what I've described is bad by the way: the idea of Ultores fencing (current view of good politics) as the strongest alliance strikes me as not the way to play it.
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The problem is, ult come into the round with blocks, and then create more.

Take last round. Spore were happily gal raiding and staying out of war, when ult took a block of ult/hr/rock/fang/vik/FL and hit ct.
Spore left with no option but to help out CT or face 1) being next on ults list or 2) peeing of CT and co for not helping and then getting ult block+ct on em.

It is a little believed fact that Spore have not entered a round with any agreement. Infact, ct/spore had NO nap in place at any time last round.

But sadly, everytime ult plays a round, it ends up with two massive blocks of ult+friends V any alliances not invited into the block.

If people just refused to join these blocks it would be a lot better for pa and a much more fluid round.
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Re: R56 prediction thread

Well I disagree with that: Last round was excellent politically, it just didn't have a satisfying outcome. There's nothing wrong with blocking in itself. Ultores are doing the right thing, because it's less likely that someone will help out Spore, than Spore helping someone else out. And had Ultores defeated CT last round, it would probably have been game over.
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The problem is, ult come into the round with blocks, and then create more.

Take last round. Spore were happily gal raiding and staying out of war, when ult took a block of ult/hr/rock/fang/vik/FL and hit ct.
Spore left with no option but to help out CT or face 1) being next on ults list or 2) peeing of CT and co for not helping and then getting ult block+ct on em.
Actually, Ultores' only solid allie last round from an early stage was HR. Vikings/Faceless didn't assist Ultores until they were under fire from CT/ND. Yes, Ultores might have instigated a war with CT, but they didn't get any real support until CT/ND started cooperating.

To clarify, ROCK didn't cooperate until the end of the round, as they were busy with Apprime for the most part. FAnG were busy galraiding, they too didn't cooperate until the end of the round.

And Lokken, are you even playing PA anymore?

*End of the round = mid-end.

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To clarify, ROCK didn't cooperate until the end of the round, as they were busy with Apprime for the most part. FAnG were busy galraiding, they too didn't cooperate until the end of the round.
That's interesting, as EVERY time we got hit by Ult, Rock and HR and Fang all came at us earlier in the night to soak up defence. Also, earlier in the round when Ult were trying not to antagonise Spore, we still had a lot of incomming from those 3 alliances (a lot more than gal raiding would provide unless they had deals that meant they could only gal raid Spore forts........ which is not gal raiding however you look at it). We just assumed that was Ult getting others to do their dirty work, but maybe those 3 alliances just don't like Spore and enjoy "gal raiding" our forts every night.
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I don't know which alliances are playing full tag next round. If ultores is full again.
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That's interesting, as EVERY time we got hit by Ult, Rock and HR and Fang all came at us earlier in the night to soak up defence. Also, earlier in the round when Ult were trying not to antagonise Spore, we still had a lot of incomming from those 3 alliances (a lot more than gal raiding would provide unless they had deals that meant they could only gal raid Spore forts........ which is not gal raiding however you look at it). We just assumed that was Ult getting others to do their dirty work, but maybe those 3 alliances just don't like Spore and enjoy "gal raiding" our forts every night.
Requesting more information please.

a) was it EVERY time?

b) Did those 3 alliance attack you 3-4 ticks before Ultores raid or are we talking 1-2 ticks?

c) How many planets from each alliance were attacking you?

d) What do you consider a Spore fort?

e) Could it possibly be that because your planets were fat and all 3 of those alliances are known to hit whatever they like and not care if its a 'fort' that they could have been gal raids?


Personally B) is the one i want the answer to the most. Ultores are notoriously late raiders. HR and Rock are known for early raiding. I could quite happily believe that this scenerio could make it look like they were helping when infact they were just raiding fatties.
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Re: R56 prediction thread

They just happened to launnch on spore the same night and avoid ct/nd.
Or hit ND and avoid spore/ct.
Or hit ct and avoid nd/spore.
Every time.

Yup, coincedence indeed!
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Tbh, apart from the one week or so where spore got ganged up on, we didn't really have much incs, so if anyone actually hit us together then it was pretty poorly organized :/
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Re: R56 prediction thread

Sounds like there are still a few grudges left from last round.
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you do realise that CT did coordinated hits on Ultores first though
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lol who would they co-ordinate with?

everyone was either on your block, or gal raiding
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Re: R56 prediction thread

coordinated doesn't necessarily mean they worked with someone. however in this case newdawn.
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Re: R56 prediction thread

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coordinated doesn't necessarily mean they worked with someone.
Errr..... what version of the English dictionary are you using?
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Errr..... what version of the English dictionary are you using?
I like how he used the words cordinated and working together
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I like how he used the words cordinated and working together
seeing as we're all namby pamby about words these days. i didn't use either of those in my post.

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Errr..... what version of the English dictionary are you using?
let me clarify for you then. ...worked with someone out side their own alliance. it is possible to coordinate an attack on an alliance within your own alliance.

shocking i know.
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Re: R56 prediction thread

so ct co-ordinated a hit on ult with just ct?

and you hit them back with 5 other alliances?
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so ct co-ordinated a hit on ult with just ct?

and you hit them back with 5 other alliances?
I love how people fail at twisting other peoples words.

Esper quite clearly said 'people can coordinated on their own, BUT IN THIS CASE, NEWDAWN'

He was just clarifying to people who cannot read like Bitcher (i appreciate that English isnt your first language) that you can indeed coordinate on your own. Coordination is basically organisation. Every night you guys coordinate an attack on whichever galaxies you attack. The BC has 60 people to provide attack oppurtunities for, because he picks the range of targets and which time they will happen he is coordinating the alliance to do something as a whole at a certain instance.

Working with is a completely different thing. If signifies that one entity is actively in dialogue with another one to work together to achieve a goal.



Spore HC's have you gathered the information i requested yet btw?

We really need to know about these 'def drains'. Were they 1-2 ticks ahead of Ultores attacks or were they 3-5 ticks ahead and soaking all the way down to eta 2-1 then pulling?

Why are you so reluctant to share this information? Is it because if you were going to ask 2 alliances to defdrain it wouldnt be 2 that are notorious for crashing?
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Best Korea always gets no votes of confidence - hope he wins this around - about time someone with pure game and no politics wins
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however in this case newdawn.
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Re: R56 prediction thread

We're debating semantics here. The use of coordinating an attack is clearly being used to mean working with another alliance to organise an attack on the same target. As I understand it Spore are claiming that certain alliance launched a few ticks before Ultores to drain their defence. If they want to provide data, well that's up to them.

Complaining about incoming is a bit like Ultores getting mad because someone dared to stop them winning, but I'm just a facilitator, so carry on!
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And Lokken, are you even playing PA anymore?
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Then your insight is a bit flawed, is it not? Because you're evaluating your opinions based on speculation/rumours and not from direct experience.
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Then your insight is a bit flawed, is it not? Because you're evaluating your opinions based on speculation/rumours and not from direct experience.
You can always explain where it is flawed instead of trying to hide behind that. I still visit irc so there's no reason that my information is less accurate than anyone else's here.
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Excuse the new chap but how come Factory don't play in the normal round? Or do they only like to play during havoc when half the universe has stopped playing?
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