Scorpions..

[Tracelesh]

..worth building them?

Im not cath but I think they r.

Tarant-scorpion-megapod-avenger-(guardian)

Fearsome fleet

[Ston3D]

Avengers suck. Better build more guards.

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by Ston3D
Avengers suck. Better build more guards.

That's true.

Scorpions are only useful if you intend to use that fleet, Tarant Megapod, Scorpion Guardian. Otherwise use the Beetle as it is substantially more efficient at stunning FI and faster ETA too .

Scorpions, unlike Beetles, can increase the likelihood of Tarants firing on larger vessels, instead of wasting their fire on FI.

Originally posted by Ston3D
Avengers suck. Better build more guards.

Yeah I know they suck, but many say its the best M sink caths have... and they flak pods with heavy armour.

[Auro]

/me gets his nice little pirates ready. Yaaaarrrr.

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by Auro
/me gets his nice little pirates ready. Yaaaarrrr.

lol, pirates are SO inefficient at capturing CR its not funny.


well, last time i looked they sucked :/

[black-eyed boy]

I never really thought much about scorpions and never even thought of having them (despite being cath) but I just accidentally noticed that 1 scorp blocks 63 (:eek:!) vultures (100 scorpions = 5-6k blocked xan co.. you invest 860k score and stop 1.6 - 2.1mill fleetscore worth of xan co).

Shame that they target FI as primary target - everyone attacking you will just send fighters to absorb their EMP, but still if you're active you can defend your galmates vs xan attackers with amazing efficiency (getting defence in return maybe).

Think I'll have some scorps after all, like 6-10% of fleetscore.

i like beetles/spider and will only build defender/guardian as kill ships, avenger still sucks and I dont want to use the cr-fleets (only taras) so i have strong ingal fr-kill-def (guardians) and eta advantages all over.

but I have seen 2 days ago what WM can do to a xan fleet.

[Helveticus]

Originally posted by Bad Society


Yeah I know they suck, but many say its the best M sink caths have... and they flak pods with heavy armour.

Am I the only Cath player that doesn't need an M sink?

[Ston3D]

I dont need one either.

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by Hurz
i like beetles/spider and will only build defender/guardian as kill ships, avenger still sucks and I dont want to use the cr-fleets (only taras) so i have strong ingal fr-kill-def (guardians) and eta advantages all over.

but I have seen 2 days ago what WM can do to a xan fleet.

If you are building Tarants, you might as well build some CR pods to give you a second option to attack with.
Especially if you are building so many BA as well.

Originally posted by Hurz
but I have seen 2 days ago what WM can do to a xan fleet.

<cough> pulsars

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by Hardrada


<cough> pulsars

well, Pulsars have to get through the FR first... and although they kill FR better, it leaves the DE free the reign havoc on the Xan's FI (which is unhelathy to say the least, even if Pegs are more efficinet).

[Psi_K]

Originally posted by Ultimate Newbie


well, Pulsars have to get through the FR first... and although they kill FR better, it leaves the DE free the reign havoc on the Xan's FI (which is unhelathy to say the least, even if Pegs are more efficinet).

Yes, pegs are more efficient at killing pulsars, but pegs are poo in comparisent to WM when firing on sentinels.
And how many xans out there run equal ammounts of sentinels per pulsar 90%.

Drakes are a terrible ship they simply don't kill enough of what they are supposed to justify building. HOWEVER, I found my self building several hundred just to use as xan flak. Tough and durable is another trait of the Drake. Allowing the drakes to take the hits means more pegs left to hit the figs.... More kill power.

I still think it's completely and utterly crap to build Terran FR as Peg flak vs Pulsars. They may be marginally more resistant, but the fact that they
a) get targeted by other ships as well
b) don't fire back with any efficiency
makes them just bad.

Best Peg flak? Pegs.

Originally posted by Elerion
I still think it's completely and utterly crap to build Terran FR as Peg flak vs Pulsars. They may be marginally more resistant, but the fact that they
a) get targeted by other ships as well
b) don't fire back with any efficiency
makes them just bad.

Best Peg flak? Pegs.

Last round as a Terran, I spent many hours at the battlecomp. And myself and a mate, also a terran, would attack in equal amounts with me doing the calcs. I said send 67 Drakes, 38 hydras and 650 peg..... he checked the battlecomp and asked "why send the drakes, they all die with the first tick?"
Just enough for the pulsars to kill and not enough for the TBTs to target.... the hydras were for the bombers to shoot at and do a little damage too.... total protection for the pegs in the first tick. And the damage was fantastic to the xan figs, which meant fewer ship losses over the next two ticks. Multiply the figures X 2 and see for yourself how much damage can be done to a xan.

Defense is really easier to figure if you have mil scans. Stick with the home fleet. Run just the right amount of flak for the second tick and return for the second tick.... just enough for the pulsars and bombers but not enough for the TBTs to have a crack at. I was attacked twice and used this system.... the xans didnt stick for the third tick.

You can attack ALMOST anyone twice your size IF you happen to have the right ship combinations to take advantage of THIER fleet make up..... it's almost impossible to defend against EVERYTHING.

Hm, actually, that was a pretty good idea. Never actually thought about that strategy (using *just* enough for the pulsars to kill). It seems very viable.

I might give it a whirl if I go attacking a Xan sometime soon Just have to make 100'ish Drakes to test with. My beef is with the people that send in 500 Chims and 300 Pegs and think they were some smartiepants because their Pegs don't die first tick

Originally posted by Jackson


Last round as a Terran, I spent many hours at the battlecomp. And myself and a mate, also a terran, would attack in equal amounts with me doing the calcs. I said send 67 Drakes, 38 hydras and 650 peg..... he checked the battlecomp and asked "why send the drakes, they all die with the first tick?"
Just enough for the pulsars to kill and not enough for the TBTs to target.... the hydras were for the bombers to shoot at and do a little damage too.... total protection for the pegs in the first tick. And the damage was fantastic to the xan figs, which meant fewer ship losses over the next two ticks. Multiply the figures X 2 and see for yourself how much damage can be done to a xan.

Defense is really easier to figure if you have mil scans. Stick with the home fleet. Run just the right amount of flak for the second tick and return for the second tick.... just enough for the pulsars and bombers but not enough for the TBTs to have a crack at. I was attacked twice and used this system.... the xans didnt stick for the third tick.

You can attack ALMOST anyone twice your size IF you happen to have the right ship combinations to take advantage of THIER fleet make up..... it's almost impossible to defend against EVERYTHING.

I would cut out the 'almost'!

[Ditcher]

I dont think ill ever build eta9 ships again. Have to admit scorpions firepower is quite massive tho...

[Silva baby]

Originally posted by Helveticus


Am I the only Cath player that doesn't need an M sink?

i dun i spend mah money on beetles, bws, roachs, and widowmakers

i sink the rest of mah c into waves or spiders

this is one way i look at the scorpion
don't attack with them, us them in defence.
I just let them sit at home and watch as people come and try an make it throu.
Scorpions have 2 major defencive functions. one, the stun the piss out of FI and CO, and two, they are your only hope of effectively stopping BS at home, unless of course, you have 1billion tarants. Face it, tarants suck at hitting FI, and wouldn't it be easier for the scorpion to take care of that for you? with the pesky FI out of the way, then the tarants can really go to town.

as for attacking, and defending, well, with the new OB system, lots of things are possible. like i said above, you need scorps if you really want a chance against dragons and such. with the -1 eta bonus of OB defence, that puts you square one with the wyverns, and give you an extra tick for the dragons.
now the attack part. OB attacking is great. find a person off line, and send for a tick. no one knows you are coming, until its too late anyhow, unless there is some one constantly newsscanning the whole gal.

In My Opinion, I would think that it would be very useful. They target all the smaller ships and it would stop quite a lot too due to it having lots of guns. But it would be better as a defence ship than an attack one.

[Silva baby]

Originally posted by CaptnCappy
this is one way i look at the scorpion
don't attack with them, us them in defence.
I just let them sit at home and watch as people come and try an make it throu.
Scorpions have 2 major defencive functions. one, the stun the piss out of FI and CO, and two, they are your only hope of effectively stopping BS at home, unless of course, you have 1billion tarants. Face it, tarants suck at hitting FI, and wouldn't it be easier for the scorpion to take care of that for you? with the pesky FI out of the way, then the tarants can really go to town.

as for attacking, and defending, well, with the new OB system, lots of things are possible. like i said above, you need scorps if you really want a chance against dragons and such. with the -1 eta bonus of OB defence, that puts you square one with the wyverns, and give you an extra tick for the dragons.
now the attack part. OB attacking is great. find a person off line, and send for a tick. no one knows you are coming, until its too late anyhow, unless there is some one constantly newsscanning the whole gal.

couldn't have said it betta

[Ditcher]

Originally posted by Silva baby


couldn't have said it betta

Personally I think building ships that cannot be used for helping friends/alliance is a bit selfish.... that is of course assuming you have people that help you also.

Originally posted by Ditcher

Personally I think building ships that cannot be used for helping friends/alliance is a bit selfish....

Well, you can defend them with your other ships and keep your scorpians at home so if you get attacked you get at least some defence!

[Silva baby]

based on ur own ship use
scorpians keeps ur roids at home

2 results

ur score will develop mroe rapidly
u gain mroe resources to build more defence ships
for your alliance
can't lose :P

[Outcast2k]

Not that my opinion matters or anythign but as a Xan, if I ever saw a few scorps coming my way on an ob attack and my eta was too low to get anything but fi, i'd rather just go roiding.

[Kileman]

Scorpions are basically the most efficient ship in the game, and a must for any cr roiding fleet
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[Ditcher]

With new overburn defence CR-attacking is even worse option than in previous rounds. Another reason why not build Scorpions....

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by Kileman
Scorpions are basically the most efficient ship in the game,

except against fighters :P

[MrPubes]

Originally posted by Ditcher
With new overburn defence CR-attacking is even worse option than in previous rounds. Another reason why not build Scorpions....

explain please...why should cr suffer from ob?

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by MrPubes


explain please...why should cr suffer from ob?

Because getting bombers there in time to defend is now SOOooooo easy

[Silva baby]

Originally posted by MrPubes


explain please...why should cr suffer from ob?

the relative response time to save a fleet from Tulas is easier now
mass corsair and pulsar overburn at eta 5
since cr roiding fleets suffer large eta its bad

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by Silva baby


the relative response time to save a fleet from Tulas is easier now
mass corsair and pulsar overburn at eta 5
since cr roiding fleets suffer large eta its bad

Pulsars don't target CR...

[Silva baby]

*sigh* forgot bout that~ been sendin too many pulsars out these days to def pegasus keep thinkin they target everything =p

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by Silva baby
*sigh* forgot bout that~ been sendin too many pulsars out these days to def pegasus keep thinkin they target everything =p

Have to admit I kinda know the feeling hehe

[Kileman]

Originally posted by Ultimate Newbie


except against fighters :P

Against fighters is where they strive....
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Originally posted by Jackson

your strategy only works against inactives who wont get any defence and wont run their fleets.

against a decent player in a decent alliance, sending those extra ships just gives the defence extra targets (classes) to fire at and if you do send just enough for the home planet to kill in one tick, with defence.. it'll hardly make a difference

[Silva baby]

exactly extra stuff against an allinace is no use