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Unread 8 Mar 2003, 02:20   #1
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American government admits to fatal use of torture, millions not shocked
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After 9/11 . everything change.

Theyre still stupid , but now theyre not as surprised when something nasty happens.
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It's amazing, I read the article and then something black swept over my vision and now I can't recall anything that would connect the words 'American Military' to words such as 'abuse, torture or evil'.



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Jonathan Turley, a prominent law professor at George Washington University, countered that embracing torture would be "suicide for a nation once viewed as the very embodiment of human rights".


OK, so this 'embodiment of human rights' is the same country which hasn't signed the Geneva Convention yeah?!
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someone will defend it, hurry up.
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someone will defend it, hurry up.
Youd be as well calling this thread "Sandsnake and Texan. Please defend your Torturing Murderous Governments" , and wait for one of them to say "After 9/11 , we had the rights to fight the terrorists on their own terms".
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OK isn't the whole "embodiment of human rights" rankling with anybody else?
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OK isn't the whole "embodiment of human rights" rankling with anybody else?
bt thay wrnt amerikin sitizens so the constitushin dusnt aply!!
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bt thay wrnt amerikin sitizens so the constitushin dusnt aply!!


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Dace sets up the Racist Reply Option.

Does Nod Bite and see himself censored for portraying racist views on the board?

WE CAN ONLY WAIT AND SEE!


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I am sure these suspected Al Qaida members would have treated any american prisoners far worse. They dont deserve to have any rights.

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US officials previously admitted using ... sleep deprivation, denial of medication for battle injuries, forcing them to stand or kneel for hours on end with hoods on, subjecting them to loud noises and sudden flashes of light and engaging in culturally humiliating practices such as having them kicked by female officers.

While the US claims this still constitutes "humane" treatment <snip>

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I am sure these suspected Al Qaida members would have treated any american prisoners far worse. They dont deserve to have any rights.

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Youd be as well calling this thread "Sandsnake and Texan. Please defend your Torturing Murderous Governments" , and wait for one of them to say "After 9/11 , we had the rights to fight the terrorists on their own terms".
Nuke Mecca. Yeah, baby. Medina and Jerusalem, too. Can't you feel my nipples get hard?
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It does not surprise me that the US have used Torture, or contracted it out to other countries where it is used as a matter of course.

What does surprise me is they got caught?
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Without wishing to sound like a cold hearted maliscous bastard, fair play to them.
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Without wishing to sound like a cold hearted maliscous bastard, fair play to them.
Aside from the fact that this is one of the things they're supposedly trying to stop.
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Aside from the fact that this is one of the things they're supposedly trying to stop.
one article hardly constitutes truth. I'm still looking for other references to such admissions, but haven't seen any yet.
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one article hardly constitutes truth. I'm still looking for other references to such admissions, but haven't seen any yet.
Hey, I didn't assume it was true. I was responding to the 'fair play to them' comment.
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However, it's also notable that the US has continued to deny them PoW status, which would give them rights under the Geneva Convention.
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However, it's also notable that the US has continued to deny them PoW status, which would give them rights under the Geneva Convention.
well yes, ofc. Don't agree with that with the taliban, agree with it with Al Queda. Bastard telling the two apart though.
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well yes, ofc. Don't agree with that with the taliban, agree with it with Al Queda. Bastard telling the two apart though.
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Aside from the fact that this is one of the things they're supposedly trying to stop.
You got something there... Now don't tell anyone.
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Good on America. I expecially liked the bit about humiliation and getting females to give them a good kicking. Maybe they could get some pigs in there to sh*t on em or something.

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How are we supposed to tell the good guys apart from the bad guys now?!

I mean, Americans are the good guys, right?

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I definately agree. The western coutries always claimed that they were "civilised", but where is this civilisation going if we allow people to be treated in ways that are considered to be uncivilized.
It doesn't matter if the person you caught would have given you the same mercy, if you allow that people are treated different in other places or with a different affiliation, then what's the use of your constitution or any treaty ever signed?

I don't know if anything in that article is true, but if it is I'm worried about the people that are controlling the "mightiest" country in the world.
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Its amazing how many people seem to think that denying someone human rights is okay. Thats the point of human rights - everyone has them, regardless of who they are, what country they come from or what they have done. If you start saying "they wouldn't give us those rights" or "what they have done takes away their rights" you really have jumped straight into that abyss that Leshy mentioned. Even the Nazi leaders had a fair trial after World War 2.
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How are we supposed to tell the good guys apart from the bad guys now?!

I mean, Americans are the good guys, right?

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The good guys dont fly airliners into buildings

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yes they do.
I don't know what movies you've been watching...
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I try not to base my morals off movies
The concept of "good guys" and "bad guys" only exists inside movies, where it is possible for some people to be completely good and other people to be unbelievably evil, with no-one at all in between. Hence, if you want to assign one of those labels to someone in the real world, you have to look at movies. Would the "good guy" in a movie torture someone, bomb his country killing innocent civilians or invade said country for little or no reason?
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The good guys don't torture people.
Or drop bombs on weddings
Or slaughter their allies
Or drop nukes on thousands of innocent civilians

Comedy 'humans arent the good guys, dolphins are' option
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The concept of "good guys" and "bad guys" only exists inside movies, where it is possible for some people to be completely good and other people to be unbelievably evil, with no-one at all in between. Hence, if you want to assign one of those labels to someone in the real world, you have to look at movies. Would the "good guy" in a movie torture someone, bomb his country killing innocent civilians or invade said country for little or no reason?
not necessarily

its possible for one side to be more good/less bad than the other side and thereby the 'good guys' without even going near to a movie.
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not necessarily

its possible for one side to be more good/less bad than the other side and thereby the 'good guys' without even going near to a movie.
It's not a case of 'good guys' and 'bad guys' it's a case of 'bad guys' and '(slightly less) bad guys who are on our side'
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thats a matter of opinion
Good is an absolute that can't be reached.
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