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The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
Well Xan fi = Weak In my opinion. The reasons for this, are the following:
1) Emp is massively overpowered, Beetle + Defender, So even with CO teams, its easily to massively reduce to cap by freezing all the Xan
2) Xan FI can be stopped ever so easily by two cheap ships, The Phantom.. and The harpy.. So by Soloin as Xan, its useless unless you dont get xan or ter def which is unlikely tbfh, even fake xan def can stop ya often. Therefore your forced to use Cath or ETD CO, then back to point #1
3) The use of CO for Xan helps for def and attack but the same problems apply
Overall Xan FI/CO is a great support ship for ETD's But Xans are doomed with a FI/CO fleet.
Thoughts?
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4 Mar 2009, 16:48
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
I hate to say i told you so, but I did numerous times on the strategy forum before the round started. I assume M0RPH3US still thinks Xan FI is too good though.
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4 Mar 2009, 16:52
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
Im not saying xan fi/co is strong this round, but its pretty obvious you have no clue how to play xan this round CBA, and i dont feel like telling you either since you will just say im wrong
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
Wow, in 30 rounds of PA for the first time Xan FI doesn't stand a chance of dominating.
I should have made one of these threads for all the rounds I played when Terran sucked.
PS. XAN still has the most strategic angles to play around due to its cloak and low ETA.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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PS. XAN still has the most strategic angles to play around due to its cloak and low ETA.
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if you would check stats you might see that only zik doesn't have an anti fi/co ship that isn't lower init or same init.
And the cloak is only usefull in defence...
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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And the cloak is only usefull in defence...
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not when the cloaked ships are utter shit
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4 Mar 2009, 20:25
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Originally Posted by HaNzI
Im not saying xan fi/co is strong this round, but its pretty obvious you have no clue how to play xan this round CBA, and i dont feel like telling you either since you will just say im wrong
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You know you've capped only 4 more roids than him and he's beating you in every other category that matters right? If he's terrible (which he is ofc, Sorry CBA!) then you must be AT LEAST equally terrible.
On topic, xan ARE kinda underpowered this round, harpy init should never have changed and instead should've had an armor and maybe damage boost. Still, they're not too bad, great escort for my co fleet!
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4 Mar 2009, 20:38
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
Could have something to do with CBA being in a fence gal and not having to atleast 2 fleet def every night?
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
It could be that, but ability to cap roids is surely more to do with amount of attack fleets sent out? Since they've sent out almost exactly the same amount I fail to believe there's much difference in their ability to play the race.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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I hate to say i told you so, but I did numerous times on the strategy forum before the round started. I assume M0RPH3US still thinks Xan FI is too good though.
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nope xan is underpowered with the last changes made to the stats, close to the start of ticks.
terran is overpowered now (cr pwns xan, harpy pwns xan, fr isnt used as primary attack fleet), and the amount of beetle/defender wouldnt be a problem for xan fi fleets if it wasnt for the harpies flying
if u remember i suggested to higher the init of pulsars instead (to 5), and kept the phant at init 4, the harpy at 6 and interceptor at 5, however this was refused by JBG who stated that he hates mutual combat firing stuff (what is harpy vs phant again?)
this btw would have made us see more fr/de fleets flying and therefore would have made the round a bit more interesting imho
however xan is still a strong race if played well, i dont think i have to explain to you how you can play xan well isil, as i honestly think your the better player of the two of us
the fact we dont see too many xans up in the ranks is more to the fact that terran is simply too strong and the most xan players (who actually seriously play this game) switched to terran or etd.
however this set of stats is far more balanced then the last rounds was, i still would like to play a round with the changes i stated above.
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4 Mar 2009, 21:05
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Im not saying xan fi/co is strong this round, but its pretty obvious you have no clue how to play xan this round CBA, and i dont feel like telling you either since you will just say im wrong
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You know you've capped only 4 more roids than him and he's beating you in every other category that matters right? If he's terrible (which he is ofc, Sorry CBA!) then you must be AT LEAST equally terrible.
On topic, xan ARE kinda underpowered this round, harpy init should never have changed and instead should've had an armor and maybe damage boost. Still, they're not too bad, great escort for my co fleet!
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Could have something to do with CBA being in a fence gal and not having to atleast 2 fleet def every night?
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Originally Posted by [ND]Byrney
It could be that, but ability to cap roids is surely more to do with amount of attack fleets sent out? Since they've sent out almost exactly the same amount I fail to believe there's much difference in their ability to play the race.
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Sigh... Retards...
Byrney stated all the obvious and gave an actualy opinion of how Xans ARE underpowered and they are good for escorting CO
any other thoughts?
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4 Mar 2009, 21:08
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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nope xan is underpowered with the last changes made to the stats, close to the start of ticks.
terran is overpowered now (cr pwns xan, harpy pwns xan, fr isnt used as primary attack fleet), and the amount of beetle/defender wouldnt be a problem for xan fi fleets if it wasnt for the harpies flying
if u remember i suggested to higher the init of pulsars instead (to 5), and kept the phant at init 4, the harpy at 6 and interceptor at 5, however this was refused by JBG who stated that he hates mutual combat firing stuff (what is harpy vs phant again?)
this btw would have made us see more fr/de fleets flying and therefore would have made the round a bit more interesting imho
however xan is still a strong race if played well, i dont think i have to explain to you how you can play xan well isil, as i honestly think your the better player of the two of us
the fact we dont see too many xans up in the ranks is more to the fact that terran is simply too strong and the most xan players (who actually seriously play this game) switched to terran or etd.
however this set of stats is far more balanced then the last rounds was, i still would like to play a round with the changes i stated above.
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Please can you enlighten me, how you think Xan should be played.
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4 Mar 2009, 21:22
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
i think isildurx pretty much summed up and countered the pretty irrelevant "but you have sent just as many fleets to attack"
if i attacked with the only purpose to get roids every night CBA i would outroid you like there was no tomorrow simply because you think the only way to use your ships is to team with a cath or etd co-fleet.
The endless possibilities in playing xan this round makes up for the fact your pods gets frozen first!
show some damn imagination or reset your planet already!
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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i think isildurx pretty much summed up and countered the pretty irrelevant "but you have sent just as many fleets to attack"
if i attacked with the only purpose to get roids every night CBA i would outroid you like there was no tomorrow simply because you think the only way to use your ships is to team with a cath or etd co-fleet.
The endless possibilities in playing xan this round makes up for the fact your pods gets frozen first!
show some damn imagination or reset your planet already!
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Re-read the manual bro!
You should aim to gain roids!, without gaining roids, your planet is doomed to fail... seriously Most of the playerbase seem to understand this concept.
Im glad i've got you ignored on IRC.. so glad.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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It could be that, but ability to cap roids is surely more to do with amount of attack fleets sent out? Since they've sent out almost exactly the same amount I fail to believe there's much difference in their ability to play the race.
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I'd advise checking the times of fleets sent to be honest. Realistically given that hanzi has spent a lot of time in omen and ascendancy and cba has spent the whole round in DLR I think they've been playing slightly different games.
I don't think xan is that underpowered this round although going for an fi/co attack fleet just doesn't work in my opinion. If I could change one thing in the set of stats this round it'd be removing the t3 on the broadsword. If I could change one more it'd probably be reducing the efficiency of the scorpion.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Please can you enlighten me, how you think Xan should be played.
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3 pods
have enough dists
fakin ability
send-relaunch
counterattack
no idle fleets
hit nubs :|
catch ppl off guard
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however i do agree that i have probs making some nice xp landings (and yes i tried bigger targets also )
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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I'd advise checking the times of fleets sent to be honest. Realistically given that hanzi has spent a lot of time in omen and ascendancy and cba has spent the whole round in DLR I think they've been playing slightly different games.
I don't think xan is that underpowered this round although going for an fi/co attack fleet just doesn't work in my opinion. If I could change one thing in the set of stats this round it'd be removing the t3 on the broadsword. If I could change one more it'd probably be reducing the efficiency of the scorpion.
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The fleet times? Hanzi spent alot of time in DLR aswell mate... And i think i've done a damn site more defsoaking missions then most players...
Check the targets i've launched on mate.. try Munin, if not, THE-HOFF!
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4 Mar 2009, 21:46
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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I don't think xan is that underpowered this round although going for an fi/co attack fleet just doesn't work in my opinion. If I could change one thing in the set of stats this round it'd be removing the t3 on the broadsword. If I could change one more it'd probably be reducing the efficiency of the scorpion.
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and make terran even stronger as they are allready ?
you canīt be serious
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
Man you are such a ****ing retard. Seriously dont ever post about stats again. You talk utter shit.
Terran are not overpowered at all.
OH NO THEY HAVE 12 TOP 100 PLANETS RUN!
ps xan fi is weakish but still come afew weeks time anything that eta in mass numbers is going to be hard to stop. Personally i think Xans who fake Fi as Bs are awesome.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Re-read the manual bro!
You should aim to gain roids!, without gaining roids, your planet is doomed to fail... seriously Most of the playerbase seem to understand this concept.
Im glad i've got you ignored on IRC.. so glad.
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Personally I think my planet is doing just fine without roids!
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Personally I think my planet is doing just fine without roids!
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If you or your gal/ally m8s did'nt have roids, would it still be doing fine!?
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Originally Posted by Benneh
Man you are such a ****ing retard. Seriously dont ever post about stats again. You talk utter shit.
Terran are not overpowered at all.
OH NO THEY HAVE 12 TOP 100 PLANETS RUN!
ps xan fi is weakish but still come afew weeks time anything that eta in mass numbers is going to be hard to stop. Personally i think Xans who fake Fi as Bs are awesome.
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Man you are such a ****ly person. Seriously dont every post about something without using an insult in it. It makes you look weak on the interwebs.
Really i donīt know where all that hate comes from all the time.
Something like man your wrong, terran got only 12 top100 planets, get your facts straight pls would have been enough.
But then again that could make you look weak and probably isnt good for your evil i am so 1337 awesome PA reputation.
GROW UP MAN!
p.s. xan fi eta7 in mass numbers wont change anything, as it takes like 200 - 400k harpies to stop that, depending on how many roids there is, at times 75k is enough! (if there isnt huge xp involved etc bla bla....)
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
The harpy could have its armour/dmg reduced so that it isn't a pretty much guaranteed value gain after salvage.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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The harpy could have its armour/dmg reduced so that it isn't a pretty much guaranteed value gain after salvage.
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If it got any worse it might as well be like sending kind thoughts versus a cutlass/beetle teamup. Probably switching the t1 to co would help balance things a bit.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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And the cloak is only usefull in defence...
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You're right. Except that it's also useful when attacking.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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If it got any worse it might as well be like sending kind thoughts versus a cutlass/beetle teamup. Probably switching the t1 to co would help balance things a bit.
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Sounds like job done.
If we really think that it's a problem.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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If you or your gal/ally m8s did'nt have roids, would it still be doing fine!?
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I dont think ive ever been deffed ingal this round, and not really that much from asc (think it's 2 or 3 times now!), so yeah, sure!
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
I don't really see phantoms being useful in any way...better to just have more vsh.
Though, the bs fleet is better anyways so who gives a shit about the phantom sucking
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
That said, xand current pod ratio (by value) is 47% FI, 28% FR, 25% BS. Xands have second higher avg roids and value, third highest score (and are catching up).
And they're ALWAYS stronger later round. I'd like to know what fleets the top xands have all gone for tbh.
I'm honestly surprised at how well etd BS are doing though. I thought bomber/bucc would be running rampant through them!
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
Maybe because etds always team up with ter\xan bs or ter cr?
Soloing as etd isnt a very good option.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
the stats are pretty defensive, which isnt my cup of tea, its not just xan FI that has trouble attacking, its everything. im playing from a late signup planet tho, so my view isnt true for most of you guys.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
just sort salvage.
atm u get too much salvage. Give less salvage and u need more harpies to cover shit
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Maybe because etds always team up with ter\xan bs or ter cr?
Soloing as etd isnt a very good option.
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Still, having to team up on a good proportion of your attacks does reduce your effectiveness.
For starters, you and a friend to put 2 waves on a target uses up 4 of your fleetslots, compared to 2 if you could take the waves solo... and it's rare there's enough fat targets to make it worth everyone teaming up.
I expected this to at least stunt etd growth.
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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If it got any worse it might as well be like sending kind thoughts versus a cutlass/beetle teamup. Probably switching the t1 to co would help balance things a bit.
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thats a pretty good idea i think
would also solve the total weakness of terran against co
and finally alliances could stop those 1 million beetle assisted by 2 million defender fleets (/me waves @ DLR)
then again! one less weakness for terran...
/me loling at the look on bennehīs face
ok sorry i get over it.... but maybe terran players are just shit all together this round or just crash too much on those "faked bombers" - there have always been a lot of newbs playing terran
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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terran is overpowered now (cr pwns xan, harpy pwns xan, fr isnt used as primary attack fleet), and the amount of beetle/defender wouldnt be a problem for xan fi fleets if it wasnt for the harpies flying
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Actually, pretty much all the big terrans are now switching/switched to fr.. fi/cr planets are ridicously easy to roid and always get mass incoming.. exception being the 9:1 terran and we all know why that is.. Syren are great, true, but beyond that? Just because xan can't roid terran doesnt mean others cant. A terran cr fleet solo is just as easy to cover as an etd solo bs fleet, they both need team ups to shine. You can ofc roid noobs pretty good with both.
All zik fleets suck in attack tbh, at least xan have bs (xan bs + etd bs is prolly the best attack combo this round).
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Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)
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5 Mar 2009, 18:26
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
Dude terrans seriously aren't that strong this round. None of the rankings seem weighted in their favour and they don't have a naturally strong end of round finish like xan or zik. The best race this round would have to be etd judging on current stats, although I think this'll drop off slightly over the next few weeks. Caths are already being roided down now. By the end of the round I have a feeling it's going to be pretty painful to be a cath heh.
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5 Mar 2009, 19:10
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Originally Posted by Zotnam
Actually, pretty much all the big terrans are now switching/switched to fr.. fi/cr planets are ridicously easy to roid and always get mass incoming.. exception being the 9:1 terran and we all know why that is.. Syren are great, true, but beyond that? Just because xan can't roid terran doesnt mean others cant. A terran cr fleet solo is just as easy to cover as an etd solo bs fleet, they both need team ups to shine. You can ofc roid noobs pretty good with both.
All zik fleets suck in attack tbh, at least xan have bs (xan bs + etd bs is prolly the best attack combo this round).
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Dude terrans seriously aren't that strong this round. None of the rankings seem weighted in their favour and they don't have a naturally strong end of round finish like xan or zik. The best race this round would have to be etd judging on current stats, although I think this'll drop off slightly over the next few weeks. Caths are already being roided down now. By the end of the round I have a feeling it's going to be pretty painful to be a cath heh.
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yes i admit i am a bit biased with the terran, probs out of frustration that they can land on me, but i cant land on em...
then again xan is pretty good against everyone else (if it wasnt for the harpies flying and ruining every solo attack)
so its probs more then fair
and yes terran isnt uber, but i think they got a pretty good attack fleet, seeing they do a lot of damage before the defenders even fire
and if i would play terran i would team myself with some nice cathaar cr, i dont see where this is a worse attack combo then etd/xan (apart from the fakin possibilities), also terran could actually fake their cr as bs pods + harpy, on etd heavy gals etc. (Edit: assuming the etd doesnt send his scorps ofc, but if the gal is claimed good enough, he probs will use em elsewhere, and at least u could happily land against that 1 etd 0 ships defence fleet)
it just takes a bit more then moving ships to fleet1 and launching
(i am not implying any of you does that)
however JBGīs suggestion with switching targets of harpy would solve 2 issues, terran weakness against co (i have the feeling terrans more have the prob in keeping roids then gaining any, but then again i dont play terran, or attack with em in teamups) and also it would fix the problem of solo-xans landing attacks, as actually more then 1 harpy fleet may be needed to stop a xan from capping 400 roids.
sorry for the long post again
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6 Mar 2009, 10:26
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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I don't really see phantoms being useful in any way...better to just have more vsh.
Though, the bs fleet is better anyways so who gives a shit about the phantom sucking
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I really don't understand why people have such a hard on for vsh this round.
An init 5 anti co ship when there hardly is any co and most of the co that is around fires at you at a lower init...
Anyway, xan fi/co isn't bad when teamed up, just sucks that they have total shit emp res, you're completly stunned while your etd / cath teamup partner hardly gets stunned at all.
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6 Mar 2009, 12:32
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
A few weeks back:
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Originally Posted by random noobs
OMG XAN FI IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!1
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6 Mar 2009, 13:07
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
I'm loving the stats for this round, TE has many options with certain anti-something weapons.
Pretty much each TE has its own way of doing things.
lots syren (FR/DE) + half as many titan(CR/BS) + harpy(FI/CO) + chims(CR/BS)
lots of titans + half as many syrens + warfrigate + drakes.
Some people build the warfrigate because of cat/etd co fleets, but suffer from the inability to use them in ally def.
I personally build the harpy, which is a complete mess when cat/etd co come to visit. But then xan FI hate me more than satan himself.
I build my def fleet with alliance in mind (chims + harpy), as these seem to be the most useful.
People say that xan FI are underpowered, but having only 1 tick to gather def and being cloaked, is a massive advantage.
However i do see that the harpy is a little too good, so may be reduce the armor a little.
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6 Mar 2009, 14:23
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Originally Posted by Zotnam
Actually, pretty much all the big terrans are now switching/switched to fr.. fi/cr planets are ridicously easy to roid and always get mass incoming.. exception being the 9:1 terran and we all know why that is.. Syren are great, true, but beyond that? Just because xan can't roid terran doesnt mean others cant. A terran cr fleet solo is just as easy to cover as an etd solo bs fleet, they both need team ups to shine. You can ofc roid noobs pretty good with both.
All zik fleets suck in attack tbh, at least xan have bs (xan bs + etd bs is prolly the best attack combo this round).
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Uhmm, i didn't know i was building FR for attack fleet - my bad.
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6 Mar 2009, 22:35
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Uhmm, i didn't know i was building FR for attack fleet - my bad.
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Obviously its mostly a def fleet against pure etd co inc, and to flak fr anti cr/bs def better.. that can also be used for attack. I never said the terrans are switching to fr because its a better attack fleet, so what exactly is your point? Do I have to make one up myself to make any kind of sense of your reply?
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Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)
Those damn emp races..
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7 Mar 2009, 06:30
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Originally Posted by Zotnam
Obviously its mostly a def fleet against pure etd co inc, and to flak fr anti cr/bs def better.. that can also be used for attack. I never said the terrans are switching to fr because its a better attack fleet, so what exactly is your point? Do I have to make one up myself to make any kind of sense of your reply?
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His point is hes a big terran, and he isnt switching to FR. From what i saw, nothing was alleged with regards to why.
Btw, is it possible to refine these stats down to use single targetting? Now that theres a far more diverse selection of attack fleets, itd no longer be the case of each race whoring one particular class, as itd still leave themselves vulnerable to the another 2/3 fleet classes. Perhaps youd see alot less fleet concentrating, which would result in opening the game up and make it far less static.
Dont get me wrong, as a cat i used to enjoy attacking xan every night, or zik when xan etc etc, but at some point it turns into a test of ur prelaunching skills, as opposed to be able to organise an attack fleet, which is something i feel hinders rather than benefits the game .
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7 Mar 2009, 14:59
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
I think one of the things I like about how these stats worked out is how there are so few utterly useless ships. I don't think I've seen many interceptors or clippers around but pretty much everything else I've seen somewhere. I've also seen a lot of different types of fleets for the same races, last round if you were xan you had fi+specs. If you were etd you had fr/de. This round it's a lot more diverse. There are tendencies now, terrans do need fr, the better anti-cr/bs fleets are fr based, but it's hard to point to one single thing for each race as the "best" fleet unquestionably.
Edit: Sorry for stroking my own ego!
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7 Mar 2009, 15:22
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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A few weeks back:
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d(h)ude ur aware that xan(and terran in despite of weakening xan) was changed after those comments and before the round started ?
donīt think anyone after this changes still said xan was overpowered (didnt check though )
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I think one of the things I like about how these stats worked out is how there are so few utterly useless ships. I don't think I've seen many interceptors or clippers around but pretty much everything else I've seen somewhere. I've also seen a lot of different types of fleets for the same races, last round if you were xan you had fi+specs. If you were etd you had fr/de. This round it's a lot more diverse. There are tendencies now, terrans do need fr, the better anti-cr/bs fleets are fr based, but it's hard to point to one single thing for each race as the "best" fleet unquestionably.
Edit: Sorry for stroking my own ego!
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i am afraid i have to agree
however much credit goes to those additional pods u brought in. very nice thing!
damn after reading this, i canīt let it stand like that
changing the harpy was utterly crap !!!
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7 Mar 2009, 15:29
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Edit: Sorry for stroking my own ego!
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I think it's great that there are so many options.
Every fleet is viable, and there's a variety of options (eg terrans can go more offensive with FI/CR, or more defence heavy with FR. Etd offensive with CO or defensive with DE).
DLR put a lot of thought into fleetcomps before round start and we thought that our strategy would be more common... but people have gone for a good variety.
I'm impressed.
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7 Mar 2009, 18:46
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
the DLR strategy sucks for your Xans though. And by the look of CBAs post, you are just using more of the xans to escort the others to fat roids.
either that or you have totally failed in teaching them how to play xan, as its obvious by this thread that CBA is clueless.
xan has a ton of variations that just needs a bit of imagination.
i feel sorry for CBA who blindly teamup with some ETD every night, thinking that if he just relaunch enough he will not be emped.
im still not telling anyone how i play xan this round. its pretty obvious if you just read the manual like CBA said
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8 Mar 2009, 04:40
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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the DLR strategy sucks for your Xans though. And by the look of CBAs post, you are just using more of the xans to escort the others to fat roids.
either that or you have totally failed in teaching them how to play xan, as its obvious by this thread that CBA is clueless.
xan has a ton of variations that just needs a bit of imagination.
i feel sorry for CBA who blindly teamup with some ETD every night, thinking that if he just relaunch enough he will not be emped.
im still not telling anyone how i play xan this round. its pretty obvious if you just read the manual like CBA said
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8 Mar 2009, 06:49
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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His point is hes a big terran, and he isnt switching to FR. From what i saw, nothing was alleged with regards to why.
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The funny thing is, he has actually built fr now after having been a pure fi/cr planet. If you want to call it switching or not I don't care, point remains that terrans need some fr.
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Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)
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8 Mar 2009, 12:07
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Re: The Weakness of R30 Xan FI
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Originally Posted by Zotnam
The funny thing is, he has actually built fr now after having been a pure fi/cr planet. If you want to call it switching or not I don't care, point remains that terrans need some fr.
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Ive never been a pure FI/CR planet.
But we agree, Terr needs FR vs etd BS and vs etd CO, enough of it its also awesome vs cath co...
Your statement was just that "ppl was switching to FR" which imo means its being used as attack fleet, cuz CR has never been def fleet anyhow.
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