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18 May 2004, 23:27
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Allianceless ex Ely Hc
Join Date: Oct 2003
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Elysium and NO R11
Elysium
Dear Elysians and Friends,
This is a sad day in Elysium`s history,
for the first time there will be a round of Planetarion
(since birth in R2) without Elysium participating.
After Ely`s birth in the end of Round 2, we have always been
playing a part of the politics, the wars, the suffering and the winning in Planetarion.
But not anymore, from this day on we won't be around
and we won't play as Elysium.
There might still be a few calling
themselves Ely and play as a group of friends,
you want to tag along with us, talk to me on Irc.
There are many reasons why this is happening,
I will mention only a few of them.
First of all our Command is tired, we have
been fighting in the Planetarion universe for
many rounds, but our dedication seems to
have gone into a little minefield.
Next is of course the lack of new players in
Pa universe and therefore we lack the new
hungry players to come up and take the free
slots when someone in Command retires.
Just keep in mind that the core of this alliance
is from the times when Pa was at its 4th and
fifth rounds.
We announce this so early to the entire Universe
that we give all of our remaining members
a fair chance to get into a new decent alliance.
Good luck to all of you,
and remember the time served in Elysium with joy.
I want to thank all the players in Planetarion community
that has served Elysium as HC`s :
- Founders R2 -
Equinox
Giamesh
Supercow
New Hc s after this:
[Racer]
Valle
Koloth
Havoc
Cabal
Soben
Gabrielle
Mongob0ffel
Xriz
Stress
Eylisia
Rez
Cheerios
Anna
Talmage
Sakera
Kaos
Senater
Xtothez
Isotee
Butter
(If someone is forgotten then I really am sorry bout that)
To all the peoples that has served Elysium as Officers,
job well done, proud of you all.
I have one special ex member that should have a final thanks,
Flisher made our EADS (Arbiter and defence system)
thanks to you for all the hours you put into this from
R4 until you retired R8.
Last and final Announcement
[Racer] on behalf of Elysium Planetarion Hc
ps.
We will continue in other games !
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18 May 2004, 23:30
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Eclipse High Command
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Eclipse
Posts: 1,144
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
i was there end of r2, was a pleasure playing in Elysium with all the oldtimers, Valle, Kael, you and equinox
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18 May 2004, 23:31
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 4
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
I really dont know what else to add..
Elysium has been my home in PA world for 9 rounds and it really saddens me to be posting on a thread like this.
I would like to thank everyone who has been part of the Elysium community, you made this game worth playing.
Good luck everyone and to those who still are playing, see you on the R11 battlefield.
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isotee / Elysium
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18 May 2004, 23:31
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mr. c0ffee
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Ely
Posts: 82
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
a pa round without ely...
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From: Phil (1:1:7) Subject: you know Sent: Thu Apr 29 15:46:54 2004
this is verging on farming, you know perfectly well i have to run fleets. attack again and i`ll give serious thought to investigating you to see who else you farm, and possible close :P
Phil^
mjrTorspo - cheating ely scum
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18 May 2004, 23:35
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Womble
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Posts: 250
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
sad day indeed, I'll hope to see ya all somewhere on the battlefield though :-)
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18 May 2004, 23:35
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 183
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
pity to see such an old alliance leave pa
hope you do well in others games
cyas around
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18 May 2004, 23:36
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Swansea
Posts: 798
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Goodbye elysium
PA will feel very different now, not fighting within your ranks
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18 May 2004, 23:40
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Internal Error
Join Date: May 2002
Location: the Netherlands
Posts: 696
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
one of the best alliances around, sad to see you go ..
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18 May 2004, 23:41
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Jolt's best friend
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 2,101
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
very sad, ely was one of the few alliances i was proud to call home
-mist
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18 May 2004, 23:48
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Down Boy - WOOF!
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Somewhere About Here .
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Eek, v.bad news this, sorry to see such a well established alliance like Ely leave the game
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18 May 2004, 23:50
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Inactive peon
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,050
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
I saw this coming, and it is a sad day. I have had my "disagreements" with ely in the past, but it is sad to see them go.
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18 May 2004, 23:52
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Asleep...
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 32
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Good game Elysium.
I was happy in your midst during r7-8
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18 May 2004, 23:53
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Eclipse High Command
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Eclipse
Posts: 1,144
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal
I saw this coming, and it is a sad day. I have had my "disagreements" with ely in the past, but it is sad to see them go.
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18 May 2004, 23:55
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used to register
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 979
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Too bad such a good alliance with a great history disappears from the battlefield
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R10: 2:2 | R10.5: 15:4 | R11: 28:8 | R12: 22:9
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18 May 2004, 23:56
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GreenWolf
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: California
Posts: 8
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
very sad :/
pld elysium!
If you find yourself alone, riding in the green fields, with the sun on your face, do not be troubled, for you are in Elysium, and you are already dead....
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18 May 2004, 23:57
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Free!
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Lancaster, England
Posts: 187
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
I've known Ely for awhile and Have being a Member in Planetarion and DoM during my PA years
it is with a very sad heart I say goodbye to them in Planetarion and wish them the best of luck in any other games they branch out into
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18 May 2004, 23:59
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Black Power MotherF*ckas!
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: JAPAN
Posts: 1,812
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
nn ELY.
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19 May 2004, 00:00
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100% irresistible
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Suomi
Posts: 192
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
It has been a good ride. Having had the privilidge of serving several rounds as command staff I value the experience highly. The comradeship, xp, love... unforgettable!
r3 130.14.18 BigBubba
r4 [Elysium] 10.7.23 pleasureHQ
r5 [Elysium] (no connection)
r6 [Elysium] 29.12.1 Chaos Order_
r7 [Elysium] (summer)
r8 [Elysium] 32.6.5 Spicy Flavour
r9 [Elysium] 19.3.2 (army rehearsal)
r9.5 [Elysium] (summer)
r10 [Elysium] 11.9.7 masterscanner
r10.5 [Elysium] 21.9.7 InSearchOfALife
For the end of Elysium's era, a 21-gun salute is in order.
Uneasy feeling, burning out my eyes
I hope the end is less painful than my life
I stand on trial before the gods
On judgement day
A blink of an eye between
The cradle and the grave
One last look at visions of flesh
The last best hope of man on Earth
Pontius Pilate still washing his hands
The world don't want to be saved
Only left alone
Elysian Fields...
We are storming the heavens
We raise the swords and shields
We ascend to our destiny
To the Elysian Fields
Soaring to the sun
With blood upon their wings
Superstitious dust left twisting in the wind
Man still has one belief,
One decree that stands alone
The laying down of arms
Is like cancer to their bones
(lyrics by Mustaine, Ellefson)
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19 May 2004, 00:10
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Puppet Master
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 227
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Sad, sad day.
Elysium was my home for a long time and now one period in my PA career is over. Was a pleasure to be part of such a closeknit community. I would like to thank all old and current members for all their hard work.
If someone thought you would get rid of me now, you thought wrong. I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of future rounds.
Guran - Elysium Military Officer
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19 May 2004, 00:10
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Sept 2057
Posts: 1,813
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Thank you all for the positive comments.
Signing out,
XtoTheZ
Elysium HC
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19 May 2004, 00:11
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Canadian to the Core
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,004
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
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19 May 2004, 00:18
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xXx
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 114
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Im sadly to see an alliance, such as Elysium go from the planetarion community.
Altho I can also perfectly understand it. I sure hope that the members of Elysium will
find another alliance, or create one for the comming rounds. Be cause you are highly wanted/needed/loved
in this game community. Being an ally of you this round, with the pressure on you most of the time, I must say I am still surprised that you kept it going for this long. My respect for that. And if EVER needed, dont be shy to come to VisioN if you need help in anything.(and that goes to all Elysium members aswell ofc.!)
I wish all the best, and would like to thank you for the good years of fun you shared (and given) with us. Also I would like to thank you for providing probably THE ultimate tools page ever for planetarion.
Hope you guys will do alright in the other games you are still playing. And instead of goodbye I say. See you there.
My Respect.
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19 May 2004, 00:21
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Sept 2057
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
On that note, myself and Racer will continue to maintain Pilkara for future rounds.
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19 May 2004, 00:26
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: The Netherlands
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Thats at least a little light from the dark page mate
thanks for that
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19 May 2004, 00:33
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Angels for life !
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 4,269
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
I've been Elysium during r9, met some nice pple there and generally got along with most of the command. I will not hide I'm not their favourite person nor are they my favourite alliance, yet it's still a sad thing to see an old alliance leave PA.
Though I'm sure we'll see some of them still around, just in other alliances.
rgds Kj
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19 May 2004, 00:33
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Allianceless ex Ely Hc
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 18
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
I got one wish going in Spinners direction, this 75 members limit of yours can now make trouble for the alliances that our now departing members may head for.
I think it should be reconsidered to lower the limit to 75.
Tnx.
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19 May 2004, 00:34
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NewDawn
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Stavanger, Norway
Posts: 468
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Hmms, maybe i can get unbanned from the channel then?
Well GL further on, have fun
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19 May 2004, 00:36
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BlueTuba
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,339
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Sparred with Elysium in the past, often been a good laugh
gg
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19 May 2004, 00:37
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Love's Sweet Exile
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Living on a Stair (Now Sword-less)
Posts: 2,371
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
I was in Ely for less than a round, but greatly enjoyed my stay there, sad to see them go
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19 May 2004, 00:47
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Norway
Posts: 25
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
blah, goodbye Elysium
nice to play with / against you
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19 May 2004, 01:02
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: London, UK
Posts: 7,871
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtothez
On that note, myself and Racer will continue to maintain Pilkara for future rounds.
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Good stuff
On a separate note, where are most Ely members hoping to go?
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19 May 2004, 01:04
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xXx
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 114
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomkat
On a separate note, where are most Ely members hoping to go?
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Well due some things that aren't sure about the 75 members limmit, I doubt many can already join other alliances. (or at least the less known players can't cuz alliance mainly allow good players now ofcourse). So most likely they will either stop playing Planetarion or join the friends tag that was noticed in this thread.
At least, thats what I think
**edited some typo's**
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19 May 2004, 01:15
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Mr. Blobby
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Belgium
Posts: 8,271
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Goodbye Elysium.
The political PA scene won't be the same without you guys.
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19 May 2004, 01:29
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Pr0nstar
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 495
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
I wish you luck in your future endeavours.
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19 May 2004, 02:12
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Elysium Shepherd
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 34
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Sad day indeed.
Been apart of the alliance since the days of Round 3, not sure what will happen with the good old Mad Matte of Rimhaven now...
Could count up the members/officers that has made my rounds enjoyable, but the list would be far too long and pehaps a bit in accurate so will not post it. One thing I can say, there has been ups and downs...
Elysium member forever (peon>*), BC of said alliance in rnd8, 9 and 10.5
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19 May 2004, 02:21
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Raaaaaaaah!
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 2,296
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Pld guys always a pleasure.
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19 May 2004, 02:49
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Evil has returned
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: eta 4 from you
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Quote:
If you find yourself alone, riding along in green fields, with the sun on your face, do not be troubled, for you are in Elysium, and you are already dead
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This is a surprise sad to see you go Elysium, had a great time being an Elysian in round 10 fighting vs the evil FAnG Ended with my personal best ranked gal (6th) and personal best planet of 121st (dont laugh, lol). Ely was a nice home til the end, and blah blah blah, still there's a nice community there and i hope you all dont quit pa now.
Pa will be a little less fulfilling without you around.
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19 May 2004, 03:10
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Eylsium Military Pe0n
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
sad time, what to say
pa was my home and my family for 9 rounds, 4 years of my life.
this comunity rawked
Ely4Ever
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19 May 2004, 03:25
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
Posts: 19,441
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
I can remember being in a galaxy with ely members heh. PA wouldn't have been the same without elysium.
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19 May 2004, 03:26
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
I've liked Elysium from the moment I joined it in r6 when Silver merged into it, and have called it my home in planetarion (and pl4n3t1a) ever since. Sad to see you go...
Kentari
[Ely] Forever
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165:15:10 [r4] n00b -- PHNX
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20:9:7 [r6] Silver - Elysium
28:19:4 [r7] Elysium
53:7:4 [r8] Elysium
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[r10] Real Life
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19 May 2004, 06:10
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Evul Critter
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: York
Posts: 255
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
was great having Ely peeps in gal over the rnds, nice alliance etc
isotee still sucks though
sad to see you go etc
zakoff
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19 May 2004, 06:12
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DarnocYzarc
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 303
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Really a sad day
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19 May 2004, 06:26
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Rah's def wh0re
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Humpering Maddix for defence
Posts: 643
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
After this, PA should stop as a game.
SAD DAY
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19 May 2004, 06:50
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Pr0nstar
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Look at Galstatus
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
a really sad day for pa :/
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19 May 2004, 07:14
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PA Ancient
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Ventnor, Isle Of Wight
Posts: 1,060
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
It is sad idd, gud luck to all of ely players
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19 May 2004, 07:53
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: UK , Nottingham
Posts: 138
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
what can i say , ely has been the best alliance i have been in,and ive been proud to be ely since a joined , dunno what to do now tbh
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19 May 2004, 08:04
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Holland
Posts: 22
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
Really sad news to see my alliance stop playing the game where we started, but it was hardly unexpected. Cant say Elysium enjoyed last round and I fully support the decision to leave. Last round showed us that planetarion isn't what its supposed to be when its somehow accepted to see 3 alliances totally dominate the round from tick 1 without willing to fight a real war, gg guys.
This wont be the end of Elysium, we will continue in another webbased game and are able to fully focus there. Besides that we hope to have reasonable sized group of gamers to play WoW when it gets released in september.
Gamers around the world wont be save from us
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19 May 2004, 08:09
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Elysium Battle Commando
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 20
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
this is a sad day
i've been playing Planetarion for elysium, i didnt enjoy playing planetarion that much anymore, but becaus elysium was there, i was there
Now is a good time to stop playing planetarion for me..
/me salutes Elysium
Guard,
signing out
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19 May 2004, 08:13
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PA Team
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 677
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
A sad day for PA indeed.
On behalf of []LCH[] I would like to thank Elysium for all the rounds we worked with them.
Real dedicated ppl.
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19 May 2004, 08:41
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Lieutenant Colonel
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: My world
Posts: 135
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Re: Elysium and NO R11
I was in elysium for a small while only, but I would like to say that it does sadden me aswell to not be able to fight against you guys nemore
I would also like to say that in the old times, there was no such a thing as lack of players.... here I would like to give a "little push"
- is the internet becoming smaller? (heck no, its growing on friggin daily basis).... or is it only a problem with the game...
do people no longer find the game attractive and addictive???
i really think that this should be taken up with jolt.....
But in either case, I have been saying this for 3 rounds and noone listened
maybe it is time for someone to take action? (/me points at Spinner, and the rest of the crew)
perhaps the old planetarians could be attracted back somehow???
The game needs a change??
erm... ok im missing out the focus of the thread, i better shush and give one minute of silence
Fernando
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