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Unread 22 Sep 2009, 12:42   #1
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Ok the round has reached some intensity level now and the lines are starting to be drawn.

And now each alliance plots their next step for the rest of this round. lets discuss the top 10 alliances:

1 Apprime facing a tough opponent "ASC" , has no more interest in attacking other alliances at this point. Will need much help penetrating those Xan fortress galaxies. Head to Head with ASC for the rest of the round might be costly if not successful.

2 Ascendancy only needs to survive Apprime attacks and if it does nobody else can penetrate those fortresses "if Apprime fails to do so"

3 p3nguins They stand to gain the most if they let the big heads knock each other while they slowly attack smaller alliances for roids, they have a good chance of catching up if they play it smart and not take sides with ASC or Apprime, if they do take a side they will be playing for #2 at best.

4 VisioN They have shown much improvement from previous rounds, this round surely they have a bone, next round with a better core who knows .

5 NewDawn It only get worse, ND has lost what it takes. I think some hardcore ND players should consider joining Vision or Evo for next round.

6 Evolution Not bad can do better.

7 EC Not bad considering EC planets hardly get any defense. They could do with a couple of active DC's, However, I do expect the better players to defect to better alliances.

8 ASS been there stayed there. Times up.

9 Conspiracy Not sure what happened to CT. I think CT will be reborn at some time. As they always do, but not this round.

10 ROCK been there for a long time, a resting place for the idle player. Good people to nap with.

So ASC played two rounds under the hood, after winning 4 or 5 rounds in a row. They took enough time out to let people forget how much they despised them. They let Apprime be the evil alliance and helped them do that, and they sneak up on the universe with fortress Xan galaxies and let apprime hold the top spot enough so noone pay them any attention. I think the evil plot is obvious and alliances should know if ASC unseats apprime, it's only to regain it's glory and beat up the rest of the universe into the ground.

In the end whether you hate Apprime or You don't, lets not fall into the old trickery of ASC, let's give them a beating they well deserve for winning 5 rounds in a row lets beat those Xan fortresses to the ground and destroy them.

lets Burn ROME
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lets burn ROME

hmmm no FC's please
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even in AD it would be pathetic...
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So ASC played two rounds under the hood, after winning 4 or 5 rounds in a row. They took enough time out to let people forget how much they despised them. They let Apprime be the evil alliance and helped them do that, and they sneak up on the universe with fortress Xan galaxies and let apprime hold the top spot enough so noone pay them any attention. I think the evil plot is obvious and alliances should know if ASC unseats apprime, it's only to regain it's glory and beat up the rest of the universe into the ground.
Diabolical!

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In the end whether you hate Apprime or You don't, lets not fall into the old trickery of ASC, let's give them a beating they well deserve for winning 5 rounds in a row lets beat those Xan fortresses to the ground and destroy them.
Four in a row.
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In the end whether you hate Apprime or You don't, lets not fall into the old trickery of ASC, let's give them a beating they well deserve for winning 5 rounds in a row lets beat those Xan fortresses to the ground and destroy them.
Apprime are getting this desperate now?
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Unread 22 Sep 2009, 19:04   #5
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In the end whether you hate Apprime or You don't, lets not fall into the old trickery of ASC, let's give them a beating they well deserve for winning 5 rounds in a row lets beat those Xan fortresses to the ground and destroy them.

lets Burn ROME
Lets burn ROME
lets burn ROME
1. What trickery?

2. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, man. Rome has nothing to do with PA and it's not the italians' fault that Apprime is crashing. Plus, it's actually a nice city.
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, man. Rome has nothing to do with PA and it's not the italians' fault that Apprime is crashing. Plus, it's actually a nice city.
I was assuming the implication was Ascendancy is the new Legion.
Tho I think I'd rather be the new Fury.
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I think the evil plot is obvious and alliances should know if ASC unseats apprime, it's only to regain it's glory and beat up the rest of the universe into the ground.
You mean Apprime will sit back and relax and not launch any fleets if Asc get beaten?

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As pointed out before, it was 4 in a row. Also, whatīs PA worth for if you donīt even hit allies you donīt like? Agree with others, sounds like a desperate outcry of an Apprime member. Your alliance doesnīt even have the guts to take on Asc solo, despite the value lead you gained during the round.
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pathetic...
You asked like the whole universe for naps/allies before attacking Ascendancy, you try to spread rumors about a block that does not exist (we have no agreement with p3nguins, they simply donīt like you) while trying to form one yourself, and you try to encourage the whole universe for another round of all vs 1 (which your members complained about so much last round).
How about you get a clue and play properly, instead of following your HCs example and crash fleets and then come to AD crying?

Itīs mostly Asc and Apprime reading your propaganda anyway, so why do you bother making a fool of yourself?

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Afraid of being the first victim?
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Apprime is beating themself up, nothing to do with Asc
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I think we're in trouble guys.
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So ASC played two rounds under the hood, after winning 4 or 5 rounds in a row.
One round out. We won rounds 28-31 inclusive (4 rounds running), then Apprime won round 32. We're currently in round 33.

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They took enough time out to let people forget how much they despised them.
Mostly because we kicked people like elviz and cardinal. Without them around it was very easy for us to slide under everyone's hatar.


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They let Apprime be the evil alliance and helped them do that, and they sneak up on the universe with fortress Xan galaxies and let apprime hold the top spot enough so noone pay them any attention. I think the evil plot is obvious and alliances should know if ASC unseats apprime, it's only to regain it's glory and beat up the rest of the universe into the ground.
Nothing to say here.

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In the end whether you hate Apprime or You don't, lets not fall into the old trickery of ASC, let's give them a beating they well deserve for winning 5 rounds in a row lets beat those Xan fortresses to the ground and destroy them.
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Iīve done fun fleetcatches before, and this time they wonīt even rise political issues. Sounds like a plan.. if I can be bothered, Iīm on a scan round
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You asked like the whole universe for naps/allies before attacking Ascendancy, you try to spread rumors about a block that does not exist (we have no agreement with p3nguins, they simply donīt like you) while trying to form one yourself, and you try to encourage the whole universe for another round of all vs 1 (which your members complained about so much last round).
How about you get a clue and play properly, instead of following your HCs example and crash fleets and then come to AD crying?

really?
p3ng currently hitting 11:5 with asc. Last night they attacked apprime with asc? no agreement? come on
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First of all I am not representing Apprime here. I am only stating my personal opinion. That out of the way' mark my word's " ASC will win this round as an alliance, Will win top galaxy, and Will win top player"

Unless people decide to change what has been the Norm. It is the spirit of PA that everyone beats the obvious winner so they have a chance to win.

In all honesty I'd rather see p3nguins win this round rather than putting ASC on top for the next 3 or 4 rounds. Why let one alliance decide when they want to win and when they don't. They should fight for it. I think for p3nguins to settle for #2 just because they hate Apprime is ridiculous. P3nguins should go for the win, and this means if Apprime lags on bringing down the Xan fortresses, then p3nguins must step in to help. You simply just can't sit there and expect a win to come your way. It's down with the fortresses or down with the round.
I remember when CT once decided to side with ASC and played for #2, look where they are now. ASC played friendly to Apprime and now they play enemy, it's always whats the best interest of your ally at stake not who you choose as friend or enemy. It just puzzles me how people can't see through JBG's strategies.. one day they will, let it be today.

This belongs here because part of this discussion involves the fortress Xan galaxies and how to defeat them.

Let's Burn Rome : Nero went crazy and burned Rome, so when someone says Let's burn Rome it means lets get crazy
Nero Claudius Caesar Drusus Germanicus, was the fifth and last Roman emperor. By "burning Rome" we hopefully end the ASC domination for good.
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really?
p3ng currently hitting 11:5 with asc. Last night they attacked apprime with asc? no agreement? come on
I donīt know if this changed, but initially there was no agreement, just a common enemy. Honestly, thatīs all I know - if Iīve missed something Iīm sorry.
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Unless people decide to change what has been the Norm. It is the spirit of PA that everyone beats the obvious winner so they have a chance to win.
Itīs fairly obvious you have to hammer the rank 1 alliance down from itīs place if you actually want to win. By hitting the runner ups, you wonīt achieve anything. Itīs quite amusing you suggest it, considering how much it would make your life in Apprime easier (what did I say before about trying to NAP the whole universe? Oh right, you tried it, and tried to form a block. Way to go).

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In all honesty I'd rather see p3nguins win this round rather than putting ASC on top for the next 3 or 4 rounds. Why let one alliance decide when they want to win and when they don't. They should fight for it. I think for p3nguins to settle for #2 just because they hate Apprime is ridiculous. P3nguins should go for the win, and this means if Apprime lags on bringing down the Xan fortresses, then p3nguins must step in to help. You simply just can't sit there and expect a win to come your way. It's down with the fortresses or down with the round.
If their members donīt like you enough and enjoy hitting you, who are you to question them? If Apprime is failing to defend a 10 million value lead, you should question your playing style rather than other peoples motives. What you certainly canīt do is extrapolate from this round for the next few rounds - if Iīd do that based on last round, clearly Apprime will win. Tells absolutely nothing.

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I remember when CT once decided to side with ASC and played for #2, look where they are now. ASC played friendly to Apprime and now they play enemy, it's always whats the best interest of your ally at stake not who you choose as friend or enemy. It just puzzles me how people can't see through JBG's strategies.. one day they will, let it be today.
I remember how CT switched sides countless times, only to get hit by the defected alliance. CT has done so many political mistakes theyīre hard to count - but I seriously doubt itīs the reason theyīre no contenders this round. Theyīve been in the top race rather often, even though they hardly ever won.
Also, I wouldnīt know Asc played particulary friendly towards Apprime, we had no naps or anything, we just werenīt at war.

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This belongs here because part of this discussion involves the fortress Xan galaxies and how to defeat them.
You didnīt say a single word about tactics or strategies on how to bring down a xan fortress gal. You merely called for help by everyone else. Slight hint: Gathering more planets to swarm a gal more is no tactic and hardly a strategy, itīs just trying brute force.

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Let's Burn Rome : Nero went crazy and burned Rome, so when someone says Let's burn Rome it means lets get crazy
Nero Claudius Caesar Drusus Germanicus, was the fifth and last Roman emperor. By "burning Rome" we hopefully end the ASC domination for good.
Good Luck to all
You do know Nero let hatred lead him astray from being a good emperor, that he got betrayed and commited suicide in the end?
Yes? Fine. Enough said.
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First of all I am not representing Apprime here. I am only stating my personal opinion. That out of the way' mark my word's " ASC will win this round as an alliance, Will win top galaxy, and Will win top player"

Unless people decide to change what has been the Norm. It is the spirit of PA that everyone beats the obvious winner so they have a chance to win.

In all honesty I'd rather see p3nguins win this round rather than putting ASC on top for the next 3 or 4 rounds. Why let one alliance decide when they want to win and when they don't. They should fight for it. I think for p3nguins to settle for #2 just because they hate Apprime is ridiculous. P3nguins should go for the win, and this means if Apprime lags on bringing down the Xan fortresses, then p3nguins must step in to help. You simply just can't sit there and expect a win to come your way. It's down with the fortresses or down with the round.
I remember when CT once decided to side with ASC and played for #2, look where they are now. ASC played friendly to Apprime and now they play enemy, it's always whats the best interest of your ally at stake not who you choose as friend or enemy. It just puzzles me how people can't see through JBG's strategies.. one day they will, let it be today.

This belongs here because part of this discussion involves the fortress Xan galaxies and how to defeat them.

Let's Burn Rome : Nero went crazy and burned Rome, so when someone says Let's burn Rome it means lets get crazy
Nero Claudius Caesar Drusus Germanicus, was the fifth and last Roman emperor. By "burning Rome" we hopefully end the ASC domination for good.
Good Luck to all
I was sure your original post was a troll and this actually therefore appeared to me to be an awesome thread. Turns out you're just batshit insane though. Here are some salient facts from this quaint little place I like to call "reality" though. Apprime are still ahead. Apprime still have more roids. The biggest galaxies now are Apprime dominated. The #3 alliance working with the #2 alliance to hit the #1 alliance is actually a strategy likely to improve the odds of the #3 alliance winning.

For the record I've never even heard of the phrase "let's burn Rome", and given that your post here is the top result for it on google I don't think anyone else has either.

And Nero was the last emperor of the Julio-Claudian line, rather different.



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First of all I am not representing Apprime here. I am only stating my personal opinion. That out of the way' mark my word's " ASC will win this round as an alliance, Will win top galaxy, and Will win top player"
Jesus Christ, no one cares who you "represent" or not. Seriously.

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Unless people decide to change what has been the Norm. It is the spirit of PA that everyone beats the obvious winner so they have a chance to win.

In all honesty I'd rather see p3nguins win this round rather than putting ASC on top for the next 3 or 4 rounds. Why let one alliance decide when they want to win and when they don't. They should fight for it. I think for p3nguins to settle for #2 just because they hate Apprime is ridiculous. P3nguins should go for the win, and this means if Apprime lags on bringing down the Xan fortresses, then p3nguins must step in to help. You simply just can't sit there and expect a win to come your way. It's down with the fortresses or down with the round.
And not a single fact in the whole story. I'd rather... I think... p3nguins should... p3nguins must...

Of course you want Ascendancy to lose! You're the enemy, for crying out loud! But if all you have to say is "Ascendancy bad, Apprime good", then I really don't see why you're posting at all.

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I remember when CT once decided to side with ASC and played for #2, look where they are now.
CT is currently #10 because at one point during the last 12 rounds, they sided with us? "Sure man."

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ASC played friendly to Apprime and now they play enemy, it's always whats the best interest of your ally at stake not who you choose as friend or enemy. It just puzzles me how people can't see through JBG's strategies.. one day they will, let it be today.
So if I understand you correctly, you're saying "Ascendancy is attacking Apprime this round, and last round they weren't". While obviously a true statement, I have no idea what exactly your point is.


btw, if asc lose, this'll be the third round in a row ldk wins!!! don't let it go that far guys, everyone hit them, please!!!
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Man, if p3n win I'm gonna have to suicide by throwing myself off a tower block to land on Assassin
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Wishy my love, p3ng hit 11:2 with evo.. we are hitting 11:5 with asc.. there is no agreement, no nap.. just a lot of boredom with the current round up until 2 days ago.
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think we can all agree p3n won't win, I'm also sure p3n knows this. So they should sit and wait for the apprime/vision vs asc war to finish and let the winner of that roid them? Sure sounds like fun and good politics
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think we can all agree p3n won't win, I'm also sure p3n knows this. So they should sit and wait for the apprime/vision vs asc war to finish and let the winner of that roid them? Sure sounds like fun and good politics
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i am just sitting here preparing my EORC speech !?!?
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o/ we are here!!!

We decided that we needed to take a round out to recruit new players, recruiting groups to fill the tag every round ment that we couldnt recruit players for the ct core. Every time a group like evo left it weakend the alliance further.

We will be back up there soon.
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o/ we are here!!!

We decided that we needed to take a round out to recruit new players, recruiting groups to fill the tag every round ment that we couldnt recruit players for the ct core. Every time a group like evo left it weakend the alliance further.

We will be back up there soon.
I applaud this! While Ascendancy has, in essence, taken on groups, our hard and fast rule that all recruiting is done individually has been a great advantage in that it's been more organic than wholesale. We didn't design it for that purpose, but it turned out nicely like that.

I hope you'll find, as we did, that building up a group of people that wants to play together is more rewarding than necessarily being among the top ranking alliances every round.
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The #3 alliance working with the #2 alliance to hit the #1 alliance is actually a strategy likely to improve the odds of the #3 alliance winning.
With all due respect to your abilities, I just can't believe you meant that.
However, I did mean what I said.

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I am glad you actually googled that phrase in English, but that's not my original language, I merely translated a saying we use in my language.


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With all due respect to your abilities, I just can't believe you meant that.
However, I did mean what I said.
You seriously think hitting the #3 rank ally should focus on the rank #2 ally while the rank #1 ally runs away? Please explain how exactly this would help anyone but you.
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You seriously think hitting the #3 rank ally should focus on the rank #2 ally while the rank #1 ally runs away? Please explain how exactly this would help anyone but you.
It certainly helps the #1 alliance, I wonder which alliance Stuhl is
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#3 needs to keep the war between #1 and #2 balanced in order to potentially profit and with #4 clearly allied with #1 to keep the balance they must ally with #2 even if it brings them into a difficult position should #2 actually win. Thinking long term is all very well and long term Asc is certainly a threat to p3n; but to get to the long term you need to go through the short term, and in that all the imperatives point to being on Asc's side.
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Crossposted for relevance.

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So now that Asc and Apprime have begun hitting each other, alliances are supposed to pick a side. But before that, Asc and Apprime were quite happy to go for easier roids on the very same alliances you want to pick sides.
I think most alliances will try to keep out of the war, and only join a side temporarily to keep the Asc vs Apprime war balanced.
I'd be inclined to agree, depending on various factors. For one, there are definitely riches to be had by joining in. The fattest galraids are the ones in the war. If you can get in on them, there's good potential for spoils of war, especially if you're not getting much extra incoming. While Apprime and Ascendancy haven't moved very much on roids the last few days, a lot of roids have been swapped.

For p3ng and, to an extent, VisioN there's most comparative advantage to joining in on the war. Since Ascendancy and Apprime are mostly hitting eachother at the moment, their roid economy is pretty closed. They've got about 120k roids between them that they're mostly swapping. Every roid drained from this common pool is an advantage for the third and fourth ranked alliances as it holds back their competitors from getting ahead.

For the other alliances it's a question of other motivations. But quite clearly, if you want an even field, you're better off joining in (by the previous logic).
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I'd be inclined to agree, depending on various factors. For one, there are definitely riches to be had by joining in. The fattest galraids are the ones in the war. If you can get in on them, there's good potential for spoils of war, especially if you're not getting much extra incoming. While Apprime and Ascendancy haven't moved very much on roids the last few days, a lot of roids have been swapped.

For p3ng and, to an extent, VisioN there's most comparative advantage to joining in on the war. Since Ascendancy and Apprime are mostly hitting eachother at the moment, their roid economy is pretty closed. They've got about 120k roids between them that they're mostly swapping. Every roid drained from this common pool is an advantage for the third and fourth ranked alliances as it holds back their competitors from getting ahead.

For the other alliances it's a question of other motivations. But quite clearly, if you want an even field, you're better off joining in (by the previous logic).
It all depends. While there are riches to be had, there are also risks.

- Hitting fortress gals need really good coordination. An average alliance usually can't take a whole galaxy on his own, and even after sharing targets, most targets need team ups of 3 or more alliance fleets for each wave. The more attack fleets involved in a wave, the higher the risk of crashing. So while you can be tempted by all those roids and xp, you also need to be aware that it can backfire and leave your alliance in a mess, with members quitting due to shit landings, etc. I have seen this happen more often than i would have liked to.

- There is also the risk that the avg alliance is just being used as def leech, or that your members perceive that they are just being used for something that does not interest them in the least. Your members want roids, but after hitting fortress gals after 2 - 3 nights they realize that only few planets get through, while the majority of the alliance has to recall. After a few nights without roids, you will be facing some pretty pissed off members.

So for an alliance to get involved in the war, either you have to make it attractive for them to join the war (e.g. by giving them the fattest / easiest targets) or you have to convince them that if they don't join your side, the game is over.
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