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The Da Vinci Code - WARNING! Religious references

I ran across this blog from a member of the church where I go to. I though It was very interesting and thought I would post it on GD. Please note that while I may agree with the general consensus of the blog they are not my words. Enjoy

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Will The REAL Gospel Please Stand Up? April 27, 2006
Here is a summary of what Pastor Chuck taught on about The Da Vinci Code.

If only a more worthy work could have prompted such attention. Brown first grabbed the headlines and prime-time TV in 2003 with his theory that Jesus married Mary Magdalene. But The DaVinci Code contains many more (equally dubious) claims about Christianity's historic origins and theological development. It's left to the reader whether these theories belong to Brown's imagination or the skeleton of "facts" that supports the book.

Brown claims "almost everything our fathers taught us about Christ is false." Why? Because of a single meeting of bishops in 325, at the city of Nicea in modern-day Turkey. There, Brown argues, church leaders who wanted to consolidate their power base (he calls this, anachronistically, "the Vatican," or "the Roman Catholic church") created a divine Christ and an infallible Scripture—both novelties that had never before existed among Christians.

Brown is right about one thing (and not much more). In the course of Christian history, few events loom larger than the Council of Nicea in 325. When the newly converted Roman Emperor Constantine called bishops from around the world to present-day Turkey, the church had reached a theological crossroads.

Led by an Alexandrian theologian named Arius, one school of thought argued that Jesus had undoubtedly been a remarkable leader, but he was not God in flesh. Arius proved an expert logician and master of extracting biblical proof texts that seemingly illustrated differences between Jesus and God, such as John 14:28: "the Father is greater than I." In essence, Arius argued that Jesus of Nazareth could not possibly share God the Father's unique divinity.

In The Da Vinci Code, Brown apparently adopts Arius as his representative for all pre-Nicene Christianity. Referring to the Council of Nicea, Brown claims that "until that moment in history, Jesus was viewed by His followers as a mortal prophet … a great and powerful man, but a man nonetheless."

In reality, early Christians overwhelmingly worshipped Jesus Christ as their risen Savior and Lord. Before the church adopted comprehensive doctrinal creeds, early Christian leaders developed a set of instructional summaries of belief, termed the "Rule" or "Canon" of Faith, which affirmed this truth. To take one example, the canon of prominent second-century bishop Irenaeus took its cue from 1 Corinthians 8:6: "Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ."

The term used here—Lord, Kyrios—deserves a bit more attention. Kyrios was used by the Greeks to denote divinity (though sometimes also, it is true, as a simple honorific). In the Greek translation of the Old Testament (the Septuagint, pre-dating Christ), this term became the preferred substitution for "Jahweh," the holy name of God. The Romans also used it to denote the divinity of their emperor, and the first-century Jewish writer Josephus tells us that the Jews refused to use it of the emperor for precisely this reason: only God himself was kyrios.

The Christians took over this usage of kyrios and applied it to Jesus, from the earliest days of the church. They did so not only in Scripture itself (which Brown argues was doctored after Nicea), but in the earliest extra-canonical Christian book, the Didache, which scholars agree was written no later than the late 100s. In this book, the earliest Aramaic-speaking Christians refer to Jesus as Lord.

In addition, pre-Nicene Christians acknowledged Jesus's divinity by petitioning God the Father in Christ's name. Church leaders, including Justin Martyr, a second-century luminary and the first great church apologist, baptized in the name of the triune God—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—thereby acknowledging the equality of the one Lord's three distinct persons.

The Council of Nicea did not entirely end the controversy over Arius's teachings, nor did the gathering impose a foreign doctrine of Christ's divinity on the church. The participating bishops merely affirmed the historic and standard Christian beliefs, erecting a united front against future efforts to dilute Christ's gift of salvation.

With the Bible playing a central role in Christianity, the question of Scripture's historic validity bears tremendous implications. Brown claims that Constantine commissioned and bankrolled a staff to manipulate existing texts and thereby divinize the human Christ.

Yet for a number of reasons, Brown's speculations fall flat. Brown correctly points out that "the Bible did not arrive by fax from heaven." Indeed, the Bible's composition and consolidation may appear a bit too human for the comfort of some Christians. But Brown overlooks the fact that the human process of canonization had progressed for centuries before Nicea, resulting in a nearly complete canon of Scripture before Nicea or even Constantine's legalization of Christianity in 313.

Ironically, the process of collecting and consolidating Scripture was launched when a rival sect produced its own quasi-biblical canon. Around 140 a Gnostic leader named Marcion began spreading a theory that the New and Old Testaments didn't share the same God. Marcion argued that the Old Testament's God represented law and wrath while the New Testament's God, represented by Christ, exemplified love. As a result Marcion rejected the Old Testament and the most overtly Jewish New Testament writings, including Matthew, Mark, Acts, and Hebrews. He manipulated other books to downplay their Jewish tendencies. Though in 144 the church in Rome declared his views heretical, Marcion's teaching sparked a new cult. Challenged by Marcion's threat, church leaders began to consider earnestly their own views on a definitive list of Scriptural books including both the Old and New Testaments.

Another rival theology nudged the church toward consolidating the New Testament. During the mid- to late-second century, a man from Asia Minor named Montanus boasted of receiving a revelation from God about an impending apocalypse. The four Gospels and Paul's epistles achieved wide circulation and largely unquestioned authority within the early church but hadn't yet been collected in a single authoritative book. Montanus saw in this fact an opportunity to spread his message, by claiming authoritative status for his new revelation. Church leaders met the challenge around 190 and circulated a definitive list of apostolic writings that is today called the Muratorian Canon, after its modern discoverer. The Muratorian Canon bears striking resemblance to today's New Testament but includes two books, Revelation of Peter and Wisdom of Solomon, which were later excluded from the canon.

By the time of Nicea, church leaders debated the legitimacy of only a few books that we accept today, chief among them Hebrews and Revelation, because their authorship remained in doubt. In fact, authorship was the most important consideration for those who worked to solidify the canon. Early church leaders considered letters and eyewitness accounts authoritative and binding only if they were written by an apostle or close disciple of an apostle. This way they could be assured of the documents' reliability. As pastors and preachers, they also observed which books did in fact build up the church—a good sign, they felt, that such books were inspired Scripture. The results speak for themselves: the books of today's Bible have allowed Christianity to spread, flourish, and endure worldwide.

Though unoriginal in its allegations, The Da Vinci Code proves that some misguided theories never entirely fade away. They just reappear periodically in a different disguise. Brown's claims resemble those of Arius and his numerous heirs throughout history, who have contradicted the united testimony of the apostles and the early church they built. Those witnesses have always attested that Jesus Christ was and remains God himself. It didn't take an ancient council to make this true. And the pseudohistorical claims of a modern novel can't make it false.

5 Big Questions from The Da Vinci Code

Already an international publishing sensation, The Da Vinci Code now is a feature film directed by Ron Howard and starring Tom Hanks. The compelling story written by Dan Brown blurs the line between fact and fiction, so moviegoers have joined readers wondering about the origins and legitimacy of orthodox Christianity. This guide offers brief answers to five important questions.

1. Was Jesus married to Mary Magdalene?
No. Mary Magdalene was certainly close to Jesus. She wept at Jesus' tomb (John 20). Jesus even entrusted her to return and tell the disciples about his resurrection. But we have no reason to believe they were married. Brown says that Leonardo da Vinci's Last Supper reveals the secret. He writes that the figure to Jesus' right, traditionally known as the apostle John, is actually Mary. Not true. Artists often gave characters feminine features to portray youth. John was the youngest of the disciples.

Brown correctly observes that few Jewish men of Jesus' day did not marry. But why, then, did the apostle Paul, himself celibate, not mention Jesus and Mary when he argued that apostles could marry (1 Cor. 9:5)?

2. What about these alternative gospels that aren't in the New Testament?
It's true that the Bible did not arrive as a "fax from heaven," as Brown writes. The New Testament canon in its current form was first formally attested in 367. Nevertheless, church leaders applied important standards when compiling the Bible. Authors of accepted writings needed to have walked and talked with Jesus, or at least with his leading disciples. Their teaching could not contradict what other apostles had written, and their documents must have been accepted by the entire church, from Jerusalem to Rome. Church leaders considered earlier letters and reports more credible than later documents. Finally, they prayed and trusted the Holy Spirit to guide their decisions.

The so-called Gnostic gospels, many discovered just last century, did not meet these criteria. Many appeared much later than the Bible and were dubiously attributed to major Christian leaders. Their teachings contrasted with what apostles like Paul had written. For example, many Gnostic writings argued that Jesus did not appear in the flesh, because flesh is evil, or they rejected the Old Testament.

3. Were there really competing Christianities during the early church?
Yes—in the sense there were many disputes about the nature of Jesus. And the church has done its best to vanquish challengers to orthodoxy. Once the church decided against the Gnostic writings, they gathered and burned all the Gnostic manuscripts they could find.

Later church councils convened to discuss other threats to Christian orthodoxy. Constantine, the first Roman emperor to make Christianity legal, called the most important of these meetings in 325. Leaders from around the Christian world gathered in Nicea, where they debated Arianism, which taught that God created Jesus. Brown writes that Constantine called this council so he could introduce a new divine Jesus on par with the Father. On the contrary, documents from before Nicea show that most followers of Jesus already called him LORD, the Yahweh of the Old Testament. The church leaders at Nicea rejected Arianism and affirmed that God and Jesus existed together from the beginning in the Trinity. This council produced the first drafts of what became the Nicene Creed, a landmark explanation of Christian belief.

4. What is Opus Dei?
A conservative religious group within the Roman Catholic Church. Opus Dei urges priests and laypeople to strenuously pursue sanctification through everyday discipline. The group has taken criticism for its conservative views, zeal, and secretive practices. There is no evidence that Opus Dei has resorted to murder; nor has the Vatican entrusted Opus Dei to violently guard the church's deepest secrets, as Dan Brown claims in The Da Vinci Code.

5. Does the Priory of Sion really exist?
Yes, but not as described by Brown. Researchers suspect that members of the real-life Priory of Sion, founded in 1956, forged documents that placed major historical figures—such as Isaac Newton and Leonard da Vinci—in an ancient secret society. There is no evidence for this group beyond dubious documents. Any story relating this group to a dynasty begun by Jesus and Mary Magdalene is a fanciful work of fiction.



More on The Da Vinci Code, Pastor Chuck noted that Dan Brown and others treat Leonardo Da Vinci's name as if "Da Vinci" is indeed his last name. Leonardo has no last name that we know of. "Da Vinci" means "of Vinci." He was "of Vinci" which I am assuming was a place or city of some sort. This is very similar to Irish surnames, such as O'Brien, or O'Connor, meaning they were of the Briens' or of the Connors'.

At the end of last night's teaching, Pastor Chuck ended in prayer, a usual service ender, yet his prayer showed much compassion. Pastor Chuck prayed to God about how he was aware that God loves Dan Brown as much as He loves him, and how Dan Brown was more than likely focused on the money aspect of the book, not what damage was being done by mixing truth with fiction concerning the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Christ Temple Church is blessed to have such a compassionate leader as Pastor Chuck Lawrence. We could all learn a lesson in love & compassion from him. I know that this book is hurting him b/c Dan Brown is lying about Jesus, whom Pastor Chuck's life is dedicated to in every way, shape, & form. It hurts me, too, b/c I am thinking of others who could be hurt by this, as I was by a church who did not give the entire truth of God's Word.

Hope this helps clarify things. Jesus is the Way. You cannot get lost. Jesus is the Truth. You cannot be deceived. Jesus is the Life. The devil cannot kill you.

Be blessed.

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Re: The Da Vinci Code - WARNING! Religeous references

unbelieveable as a catholic i find it hilarious that all these religous zealots are creating a fuss about a work of fiction <-- if i was arsed i would link that to a dictionary site so these idiots would be able to find out what the word fiction means



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seems to me the ppl shouting out about this the loudest dont have faith, beacause faith is not a coin u can loose or anything you either have it or you dont
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Who honestly cares?

It's an arsehole whose had a film made about his shit book, which was based on a shit story.
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The Da Vinci Code was debunked ages ago dude. In fact I'm sure it happened on this very forum.
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why haven't you declared a jihad on mr brown then
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Good thing this is a communist board then!
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Freedom of speach baby.

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Freedom of speech doesn't exist on the internet. Much like it doesn't exist in other people's houses.


PS I edited your thread title to prevent it annoying me so much.
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Your honour, I intend to prove that The Very Hungry Caterpillar was not actually based on recorded events.
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I find it rather amusing that religious people are getting so worked up over this film. If they had any serious faith in the things they so desperately cling to then there would be no need for concern over things like this film and consequently no need to foam at the mouth, when people question them.
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Your honour, I intend to prove that The Very Hungry Caterpillar was not actually based on recorded events.
you mean its not true?

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you mean its not true?

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I find it rather amusing that religious people are getting so worked up over this film. If they had any serious faith in the things they so desperately cling to then there would be no need for concern over things like this film and consequently no need to foam at the mouth, when people question them.
If Dan Brown had made sure that it was clear that he was writing a fiction, rather than trying to dress-up a foolish conspiracy theory in fact, then I might agree.
This is old news, though.
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I couldnt help but chuckle while reading whom lives his life by a work of fiction, debunking another work of fiction.

What I find funniest is the way the guy treats the Bible, hes spouting off about how the bibles perfect due to the standards in place to ensure it. However he goes on to list some of these standards which in themselves raise questions.

For starters the point about the fact that a gospel cant contridict the other Gospels else its not included. Would we just decide that nothing written about Nazi Germany after the war is invalid and should be thrown out just because the Nazi Propaganda machine had already produced documentation earlier and everything written later just contridicts it, no we wouldnt and thus excluding peoples writings just because it tells things different hardly supports the bibles accounts being accurate.

Then we have the whole "It has to be accepted by the whole church" thing. So for arguments sake lets say some of the theories Dan Brown uses were true and Jesus did marry Mary and they had a kid but the some people in the church wanted to keep women as being 'lesser; beings they could have had these gospels struck off. Being able to pick and choose what you want in your bible is hardly a basis for telling the truth.

Then theres the "They had to talk to jesus or be close to an apostle" thing. How on earth do you verify thats the case. Currently we have a growing problem in the world of people committing identiy theft and these people using these identities for things and the authorities often struggle to catch and stop these people and thats in the now with all the hitech advances we have. So please tell me how these gospels were authoenticed, you simply cant. Hey they cant even conclusivly prove that Jesus existsed let alone prove that the people who wrote the gospels where who they said they were and that they had contact with Jesus.

Finally something he doesnt bother mentioning is the fact that the bibles now printed in modern language all come from sources that werent in modern launguages and were translated numorous times before getting to the stage we are now at, for all we know entire passages could be totaly wrong due to a simple translation issue.

All in all, the bible might be telling the truth, it could be a complete load of lies or it could be somewhere in the middle but debunking theories based on unsubstantiated teachings is pointless as the very thing your debunking has as much chance of being right as it

And please dont take this as me rubbishing you having faith, I like the idea of having faith and there being a higher being looking over us but I just dont agree with people having blind faith in a book thats had mans infulence on it. Man isnt an infalible entity like God, man is fallible and its in our make up to make mistakes thus making it highly likly that along the way peoples views have skewed the teachings. The bibles something to act as a teaching tool nd a guide noth something to take as complete truth
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If Dan Brown had made sure that it was clear that he was writing a fiction, rather than trying to dress-up a foolish conspiracy theory in fact, then I might agree.
This is old news, though.
It's just a bit of the old war of the worlds pazzaz (what a word). Nothing to get worked up over.
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"nor has the Vatican entrusted Opus Dei to violently guard the church's deepest secrets, as Dan Brown claims in The Da Vinci Code."

Any in case there is nowhere in the book does Brown claim this. Opus Dei are among the baddies trying to find the secret. This may be where Christians have been going wrong. You are supposed to read books yourself, not let others read them for you and give you a quick biased summary.
It reminds me of something Kevin Smith mentionedin "An Evening With Kevins Smith" about his film Dogma. The christian community was up in arms about it and he even received death threats. When it came out they started campaigning in front of cinemas so Kevin Smith decided it would be fun to join them. While there he asked a number of them if they has seen the movie and all replied no. Ofc if they had they would have seen that the movies theme is fundemtally pro faith and wasnt something to be up in arms about
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It reminds me of something Kevin Smith mentionedin "An Evening With Kevins Smith" about his film Dogma. The christian community was up in arms about it and he even received death threats. When it came out they started campaigning in front of cinemas so Kevin Smith decided it would be fun to join them. While there he asked a number of them if they has seen the movie and all replied no. Ofc if they had they would have seen that the movies theme is fundemtally pro faith and wasnt something to be up in arms about
This reminds me of why Prodigy's Smack My Bitch Up came out, and the furoure that women's groups kicked up over the video. Different issues, same idiotic arguments.
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It seems funny that people so readily assume that the Da Vinci Code is not intended to be a work of fiction.

No one ever though Harry Potter might not be fiction :/
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It reminds me of something Kevin Smith mentionedin "An Evening With Kevins Smith" about his film Dogma. The christian community was up in arms about it and he even received death threats. When it came out they started campaigning in front of cinemas so Kevin Smith decided it would be fun to join them. While there he asked a number of them if they has seen the movie and all replied no. Ofc if they had they would have seen that the movies theme is fundemtally pro faith and wasnt something to be up in arms about
He does, however, put the disclaimer "Hey, it's all in good fun chaps, I don't mean to offend anyone!" thing in front, which kind of reduces its satirical daring do.
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It seems funny that people so readily assume that the Da Vinci Code is not intended to be a work of fiction.

No one ever though Harry Potter might not be fiction :/
J.K Rowling didn't introduce The Chamber of Secrets with the foreword:

'All the characters in this books are purely fictional. However, Tom Riddle's diary is kept in a secure library at the Vatican, guarded by horrible, slavering Christians with whips and crocodile-heads.'
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I'll talk to the spanish speaking low paid workers who you'll inevitably employ for low wages during the production.

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As a catholic im disgusted and outraged by not only the da vinci code but this post, this is blatant racism, if this was about blacks...well what can I say ;/
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Freedom of speach baby.

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Religious people presenting themselves as radical defendants of freedom of speech is pure hypocrisy to me. Please note that i dont talk about you (travler) personally but about the general group of "religious people".

The reactions of christian churches in germany regarding the Mohammed cartoon incidents where mostly in the direction of suggesting more/stronger censorship regarding religious "offenses" up to the point where it was said that if the church (as in previous times) had more influence/control over the official media, this wouldnt have happened at all.

I am not sure if i ever heard a christian official acknowledge the value of freedom of speech without (implicitly) excluding their own religion.
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You begin to wonder why religious types get so bothered by what is patently a work of fiction.

The inevitable conclusion you reach is that they feel someone is muscling in on their territory.

I mean, if you want fictive action, violence, genocide, and a monolithic and possibly psychotic evil force bent on controling our lives and all that, why doesn't the Bible suffice?
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If the Da Vinci Code isnt historically accurate, what excuse does it have for being overwhelmingly shit?
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Re: The Da Vinci Code - WARNING! Religious references

*deleted my post for being out of context
But I had fun writing it

Personally I wouldn't even bother trying to prove the Da Vinci Code wrong
I mean, what's the point
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Hope this helps clarify things. Jesus is the Way. You cannot get lost. Jesus is the Truth. You cannot be deceived. Jesus is the Life. The devil cannot kill you.

Be blessed.

*reggae beat pounding out the Words of Truth*

It does clarify things a bit...It clarifies his diagnosis; antipsychotics all around!


Few things scare me more than these nutjobs, I get chills down my back everytime I come across one. Especially the rage some of them retaliate with whenever you say something about their "god" and their faith, i.e. The bible has more holes than a swiss cheese.
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It does clarify things a bit...It clarifies his diagnosis; antipsychotics all around!


Few things scare me more than these nutjobs, I get chills down my back everytime I come across one. Especially the rage some of them retaliate with whenever you say something about their "god" and their faith, i.e. The bible has more holes than a swiss cheese.
the Bible is a Good message in bad journalism/doctored translations/church politics
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Re: The Da Vinci Code - WARNING! Religious references

the bible does say alot of nice things, so does most other religious scriptures. Unfortunately, these scriptures are also incredibly dangerous and open to manipulation/interpretation to fit political agendas. Long story short, religion gets people killed in heaps.
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Pastor Chuck taught on about The Da Vinci Code.
Before i read any of the rest this made me think..."there are people out there who trust a dude called 'Pastor Chuck'???"

Church or no church he sounds dodgy before he even opens his mouth.





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3. Were there really competing Christianities during the early church?
Yes—in the sense there were many disputes about the nature of Jesus. And the church has done its best to vanquish challengers to orthodoxy. Once the church decided against the Gnostic writings, they gathered and burned all the Gnostic manuscripts they could find.
Sounds perfectly normal to me. In the same way the Nazis collected all anti-kill the jew writings and burnt them i suppose. Hurray for preserving literature which shows an alternative point of view!


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Christ Temple Church is blessed to have such a compassionate leader as Pastor Chuck Lawrence. We could all learn a lesson in love & compassion from him. I know that this book is hurting him b/c Dan Brown is lying about Jesus, whom Pastor Chuck's life is dedicated to in every way, shape, & form. It hurts me, too, b/c I am thinking of others who could be hurt by this, as I was by a church who did not give the entire truth of God's Word.
So he is the best leader ever because he can say 'i pray that god takes care of him' whilst silently thinking 'MOTHER****ER GONNA BURN FOR HIS SINS PRAISE YE TO JESUS'

Why does a book insult you so? Surely if i wrote "Jesus was the son of a jewish pimp. At the age of 10 he first discovered LSD from a man named Jebeddiah who sold it to him for his sisters virginity. What followed was 25 years of tripping with Jesus and his crazy mates.

When they wernt trashing temples and stealing sheep they were stoned off their face and pretty sure they could fly or walk on water.

Jesus finally died when his followers had a really bad trip and thought he was a monkey and decided to nail him to a cross because thats what seemed pretty cool at the time

All this can be backed up by my shit factual references and tenuous links to cool sounding names like 'templarific knights of the round table of solomon' who wrote the whole thing down as it happened because they were doctors at the time and part of the Nazareth Anti-LSD and rehabilitation league.
(NASL)"



Ask your pastor what he thinks of that. Will i be burning for all eternity for writing what is CLEARLY A PIECE OF ****ING FICTION??? or have i just made everyone here think 'holy shit...what if the templarific knights were real and what if this isnt too far from the truth and its all been a giant conspiracy by the League of pimps and ho's for the past 2000 years! DAMN THEM the wool has been pulled over my eyes!'
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Before i read any of the rest this made me think..."there are people out there who trust a dude called 'Pastor Chuck'???"
That's Mr. Norris to you and me
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I'm pleased that JJ has just discovered that Evangelicals are hateful and hypocritical bigots.

They manage to make Catholicism look practically appealing.
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In other news the catholic church are trying to ban a german satirical cartoon which mocks the pope.
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In other news the catholic church are trying to ban a german satirical cartoon which mocks the pope.

I thought he would be perfectly capable of making a mockery of himself, without outside help
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In other news the catholic church are trying to ban a german satirical cartoon which mocks the pope.
Satirical cartoons the world over have been mocking the Pope for the past year and a bit. What's so special about this one?
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Satirical cartoons the world over have been mocking the Pope for the past year and a bit. What's so special about this one?
Apparently he uses a pogo stick. I'm unsure what for exactly but I think I know where you'd want him to put it.
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If Dan Brown had made sure that it was clear that he was writing a fiction, rather than trying to dress-up a foolish conspiracy theory in fact, then I might agree.
If the writers of the Bible had made sure they were clear where they were writing allegorically rather than trying to dress up a foolish cosmogony in fact, then modern Judeo-Christianity might be marginally less stupid.
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Apparently he uses a pogo stick. I'm unsure what for exactly but I think I know where you'd want him to put it.
It's hardly surprising since the Pope is quite clearly gay.

Have you seen all the hats he's been wearing recently? All the Gucci slippers and Armani whatsits? (Seriously)
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In other news the catholic church are trying to ban a german satirical cartoon which mocks the pope.
They also stopped serving eggs bendict at Ibrox aswell...
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Re: The Da Vinci Code - WARNING! Religious references

Though of course the real conspiracy in the Catholic Church has nothing to do with the Da Vinci code; more to do with paedophile Priests http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/S...766941,00.html, something the current pope knows very much about.
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