Star Wars: Episode 3 - Your Opinion

[Alessio]

I heard Darth Vader is also gonna make a comeback in the next episode

[JC]

Originally Posted by Proteus

I certainly knew Vader was Luke's father before I watched any Star Wars film.

Congratulations, do you want a certificate with that on?

In 10 years time, for a kid that has never seen anything Star Wars related i imagine Darth Vader turning out to be Luke's father would be an unexpected twist, unless i am forgetting something and Obi-Wan had a chat about it to Yoda in the middle of A New Hope while i blinked.

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by JC

Congratulations, do you want a certificate with that on?

I really have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

Originally Posted by JC

In 10 years time, for a kid that has never seen anything Star Wars related i imagine Darth Vader turning out to be Luke's father would be an unexpected twist, unless i am forgetting something and Obi-Wan had a chat about it to Yoda in the middle of A New Hope while i blinked.

I wasn't saying it was obvious from the films - I was just saying it's common knowledge. The chances of anyone getting to be old enough to watch Star Wars for the first time without catching a single reference to that fact is rather slim (unless of course you sit your children down to watch it before they go to school, in which case plot twists will be rather irrelevant to them).

You seem to be implying that everyone will have forgotten Star Wars in 10 years time, which seems rather unlikely.

[djbass]

Originally Posted by Zh|l

A droid would be rather crap in using lightsabers in theory. As the lightsaber-force-user attunement is what makes lightsaber weilders deadly.

Saying that in the EU there are cases of non-force sensitives using lightsabers and there are plenty of references to droids being used for training purposes in lightsaber techniques. (Darth Vader in Shadow of the Empire for example). Although such things are hardly a challenge.

I didn't understand the heart thing myself to be honest. I was under the impression it was just his brain that was still organic before getting to see the movie which would have made somewhat more sense.

EU?

While having the force is certainly an advantage to using a lightsaber, it's not necessary to use one with deadly force. It is for all intents and purposes simply a sword (or saber I suppose), anyone with any degree of skill in weilding bladed weapons should find themselves proficient enough to cause considerable damage. The only special quality to a lightsaber is its ability to deflect energy or otherwise melt solid objects, which gives it unprecedented defense against ranged weapons, unfortunately to actually manouver the weapon fast enough to intercept the path of either a blaster bolt or bullet requires precognition only the force can give.

As far as the organic makup of Grievous:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Grievous

So Sidious, Dooku, and Hill arranged to have a bomb planted on the shuttle Grievous was on, and blame it on the Republic. Grievous was mortally wounded in the crash, and his unconscious, dying body was taken to the planet Geonosis, where his brain, eyes, and other organs were implanted into a droid body forged by Geonosians that would complement his natural reflexes

[Zh|l]

Originally Posted by Proteus

The EU is a load of nonsense. Trying to see the actual Star Wars universe through an EU perspective just makes the whole thing absurd.

I have to disagree with you entirely. Alot of the EU is actually fairly relevant. The Thrawn series along with the Jedi Academy and whatnot. The EU (Expanded Universe) for Star Wars has only helped flesh out many of the worlds and technology. I think someone who has watched the films and read the majority of the EU is more 'versed' in Star Wars lore and able to give a more opinioned perspective.

As to djbass, by the time of the Empire - lightsabers had become artifacts/antiques. Making a lightsaber requires force sensitivty for the craftsman (as it is needed to align/attune the crystals). You are correct in that a non-force sensitive can weild a blade (which is what I confirmed), but the examples of such are few and far between. The lightsaber is just more deadly in the hands of someone who can use the force compared to someone who can't. (Although saying that, I wouldn't really want to face a lightsaber full stop.)

Nobles from the Tapani Sector, in the Expansion Region, used 'lightfoils' which were based on lightsaber technology but weren't quite as effective. They were also prone to failure and the Empire frowned on their use (yet Tapani retained it's independance and dallied in the Emperor's court at the Imperial Palace on Coruscant.) .

Personally, I love the Force Glaive (essentially a double-bladed vibro-weapon).

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by Zh|l

I have to disagree with you entirely. Alot of the EU is actually fairly relevant. The Thrawn series along with the Jedi Academy and whatnot. The EU (Expanded Universe) for Star Wars has only helped flesh out many of the worlds and technology. I think someone who has watched the films and read the majority of the EU is more 'versed' in Star Wars lore and able to give a more opinioned perspective.

I'm afraid "it tells you more than the films do" isn't much of an argument in its favour, because that much is self-evident.

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by Proteus

You seem to be implying that everyone will have forgotten Star Wars in 10 years time, which seems rather unlikely.

Yeah but how old were you when you first saw Star Wars?

I must have seen it when I was something around 6-9, and I didn't know Darth Vader was his father.

[JC]

Phew, i'm not the only one .

[Tomkat]

YOUR MOTHER'S!

[Cannon_Fodder]

Originally Posted by Zh|l

Personally, I love the Force Glaive (essentially a double-bladed vibro-weapon).

Vibro weapon? Is that some sort of dildo?

[acropolis]

Originally Posted by ChubbyChecker

I quite liked Episode I. It was a kids' film, but it was a decent kids' film. Sure, it had its flaws (Jar Jar bloody Binx for one) but overall it was good. Episode II was just shit.

This is my opinion, tho I'd like an edited version of episode 1 minus the first 30 minutes they spend on tatooine pre-race.

for episode 2, my edited version would drop the first 2 hours straight up.

episode 3 was actually good, but hard to comment on in a 'no spoilers' thread.

Padmay was not hot in Ep 3. I probably would have tried my luck with Anni first.

[JonnyBGood]

Expression of severe disappointment that we didn't get to see Jar Jar die in episode III.

[NaQ]

i liked it anyways! could have been more wookie fighting though

[Tactitus]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Expression of severe disappointment that we didn't get to see Jar Jar die in episode III.

At least he didn't have any lines.

Originally Posted by NaQ

could have been more wookie fighting though

I was disappointed. Wookies fight a lot like Gungans: stupidly. I wept when the Wookies broke cover to charge across an open beach against the amphibious battle droids.

I know Yoda must have wept too.

Ok, here's one, at the start, those little robot thingies attach themselves to obi-wan's ship.

Anikin blasts a couple off, but WHY, WHY I ASK YOU!!!! do they go flying backwards off the wing.....

It's frikkin in space, there's no wind or friction - so they should continue at the same velocity in that direction. That poor, thoughtless start really ruined the whole film for me.

Oh yeh, and the way everyone inside the main ship at the start, begin falling to one side when the ship tilted.........!

[JonnyBGood]

They were in low orbit around the planet if I remember correctly. I don't know if they were inside the atmosphere though.

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

They were in low orbit around the planet if I remember correctly. I don't know if they were inside the atmosphere though.

Well they definitley werent in the atmosphere when the little robot things flew off the wing, because we see te mother ship burn up as it goes into the atmosphere later.

Another thing, it was never quite explained how obi-wan and anikin survived when grevious smashed the window in the ship - it just appeared like they let the cabin de-pressurise, and the next scene was just them, sat calmly, piloting a ship....in space.....in a sodding vacuum.

[JonnyBGood]

Maybe they were saved by the jedi goddess of the rocks with funny patches of moss on them?

[Alki]

shutters went across the broken window if im not mistaken. Also why couldnt they use the force to push those droids off the ship? seems to work everywhere else:/

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

That poor, thoughtless start really ruined the whole film for me.

And sound doesn't travel in space either.

Seriously, if you want scientific accuracy, don't watch science fiction.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

Well they definitley werent in the atmosphere when the little robot things flew off the wing, because we see te mother ship burn up as it goes into the atmosphere later.

What?

[djbass]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

Ok, here's one, at the start, those little robot thingies attach themselves to obi-wan's ship.

Anikin blasts a couple off, but WHY, WHY I ASK YOU!!!! do they go flying backwards off the wing.....

It's frikkin in space, there's no wind or friction - so they should continue at the same velocity in that direction. That poor, thoughtless start really ruined the whole film for me.

Oh yeh, and the way everyone inside the main ship at the start, begin falling to one side when the ship tilted.........!

you're probably right about the robot 'thingies', though I do feel you're over simplifying the physics of it all. There would not be any wind friction to push them off, but depending on the movement of the ship and any inertia caused by the bolt blasts would have likely pushed them in a different direction than forward.

as for the ship tilting thing, there was nothing to suggest the ship wasn't using some form of artificial gravity, how the hell is everyone able to walk around on it otherwise, if so then why is it odd they should still suffer the effects of gravity when it tilts?


Oh, and despite the actress herself being attractive (though I wouldn't rate her as high as some people seem to), I never found Padmay to be attractive in any of the episodes.

[ceres]

Originally Posted by djbass

heh, I was rather fond of the unconventional idea, I was later disappointed when they revealed he was part biological. MInd you, what I don't understand is how an open exposed heart and simular organs can be sustained like that. If you look at his armour its not fully enclosed at all, more like plating of a sort with plenty of open air exposed bits.

I love the fact you question how the organs were sustained and take it as simple fact that it was a robot, welding light sabre's fighting jedi's, all perfectly normal stuff.
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California Dispensary

[djbass]

Originally Posted by ceres

I love the fact you question how the organs were sustained and take it as simple fact that it was a robot, welding light sabre's fighting jedi's, all perfectly normal stuff.

perhaps because one falls into the realm of questionable if slightly ill-thought design, the other plausable within the realms of the star wars universe.

I'll clarify why I feel so. Without a second viewing I can't be sure, but from what I recall his torso contained a heart, possibly a couple other organs and pressumably what looked like a spinal cord extending towards his head. None of these organs were suspended in any sort of fluid, they were simply dangling there in the open air, in addition to this the plating that surrounded it that obi-wan pryed open was little more than a simple shell. Two issues as I see it come into play, the first is that organic material, especially internal organs require surrounding fuilds to keep the skin moist, otherwise it dries up and dies. My other concern is that in an open air environment such as that his organs are much more susceptable to virus and other contaminents that would effectivly kill him rather quickly. Even if he had some special way of avoiding all this, given the fragile nature of such organs it makes it a ill-though design at best.

You can see my other post above on the point of lightsabers and non-jedi operators. As I see it, there's nothing inherently special about a lightsaber that prevents a perfectly normal person/droid from weilding one as they would any other staffed or bladed weapon. As for fighting Jedi's, he says himself he was tought the disciplines of lightsaber combat, he might not have the force to guide him, but his speed and agility partialy make up for that.

[All Systems Go]

I think it would have been better if he was just a brain in the head of the robot suit.

Originally Posted by djbass

you're probably right about the robot 'thingies', though I do feel you're over simplifying the physics of it all. There would not be any wind friction to push them off, but depending on the movement of the ship and any inertia caused by the bolt blasts would have likely pushed them in a different direction than forward.

Yeh, the blasts would have given them velocity in a different component, but their velocty along the dimension that the ship is travelling would be the same, unless there was something there to slow it down. There is no real reason why they should fly backawards.....

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

Darth Vader was Jewish?

Oyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyee, I will never visit this planet again. The farfel is so tasteless. And the people! What is it with the five legs and the green hair? You'd think that people would wanna blend in.

[pablissimo]

The force is strong with this schmuck

[Yahwe]

Jackie Mason turned down the part

**true story

[Marilyn Manson]

So did Estelle Getty.

[Tactitus]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

Yeh, the blasts would have given them velocity in a different component, but their velocty along the dimension that the ship is travelling would be the same, unless there was something there to slow it down. There is no real reason why they should fly backawards.....

They would "fly backwards" if the ship were under acceleration.

But Star Wars has always had pretty weak physics. :/

[ChubbyChecker]

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

Darth Vader was Jewish?

His bar mitsvah was sometime between Episode I and Episode II

Originally Posted by Tactitus

They would "fly backwards" if the ship were under acceleration.

Ah! thats a good explanation actually.

Anyway, the producers should know that a million sad science geeks like myself (their fan base) are going to question everything.....

[MrL_JaKiri]

It's pointless to question the "science" of something obviously isn't hard science. Criticise things that make an effort to be realistic and fail, not ones that never had any intent of connecting with our earth knowledge.

[Ärketrollmannen]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

Anikin blasts a couple off, but WHY, WHY I ASK YOU!!!! do they go flying backwards off the wing.....

1. Maybe Obi Wan accelerated?

Or

2. Because it looks cool?

Pesonally I choose nr 2