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Unread 16 Sep 2010, 10:38   #151
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Re: Mehh

always fun when you realize that you might not get all #1's in the game since you allied too many people throughout.

Have to say that I am actually disapointed in Sun_Tzu for breaking his word. Guess all things come to an end at some point.

Nfi can try to justify what they did however they want, but quite frankly they just ****ed up the last bit of respect they could have gotten by breaking off their promises, and (hopefully) lose all top spots...
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Nice gangbang of 5 alliances .

Feels just about same as last round, but wait last round we were first and winning, this round we're just loyal.

My grats to ASC for also knowing what honour and loyalty means
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Okay I tried and tried to not reply but its going to far.

Lets write down a ND HC story.

A few points:
- Offcourse dropping NFI was a topic two weeks ago. However we decided we trusted NFI's word and the players more then we trust Apprime (easy call).
- Even the day before Kenny pulled his stunt there was no reason at all to drop the NAP or to talk with other alliances to try to backstab NFI.

The logic is clear. Why would a well thinking person try to attack NFI who have such a huge lead, this short before round ends while we (as it stood at that point) will secure the nr 1 planet. Give me one good reason why we should really try to backstab NFI.

The point to attack NFI yes or no was around tick 700. Not tick 900. We made a decision at tick 700 and stood by it ever since.

- No matter how you turn it Kenny, you fell for someone's misinformation. Most likely Apprime's but thats a lucky guess. You fell for it and you reacted on it like a little kid. Without thinking, without honor.
With your decision you also hurt a lot NFI members. Most still think or try to believe that what you said and did is true. Sorry its not. Those who know me, know very well that I have little reason to lie about it. There was no hair on my hairy head that wanted to drop the NFI nap. And I know the same goes for Amon. DZ offcourse looks at options but with 2 against 1 the NFI nap was solid no matter if dz wanted to hit NFI.
Like I said before the logic to hit NFI is not there. There is no good reason to hit NFI now except if we wanted ND to lose the nr 1 planet.

What makes me sad is that so many good NFI players are dragged into the mud because of this. You believed the logs and information Kenny gave you and that was enough to break your word for.
That Kenny breaks his word.. well thats history repeating itself. But Sun_tzu and Lordn are highly respected by me and they know that. That their word was broken because Kenny decided upon it is just sad.


Offcourse Kenny if you just want nr 1 planet.. Just say so. But dont drag others down in the mud because of your ideas.
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Unread 16 Sep 2010, 11:43   #154
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a) I'm not in NFI
b) I don't care about NFI or ND
c) I see our (ODDR) incoming every day and tons of it have been ND (alot more than NFI), going for easy roids while not recieving incs themself all round long.
d) Got those logs (the ones Dark-Strider posted) from multiple people.
e) I hope NFI and ND actually fight instead of grounding fleets caus they might get incs...

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Unread 16 Sep 2010, 11:55   #155
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That Kenny breaks his word.. well thats history repeating itself. But Sun_tzu and Lordn are highly respected by me and they know that. That their word was broken because Kenny decided upon it is just sad.
In all honesty, I doubt this was a solo action by Kenny.
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Unread 16 Sep 2010, 12:06   #156
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In all honesty, I doubt this was a solo action by Kenny.
Check what Lordn posted on the second page. And see the lack of posting from Sun_tzu. Offcourse it wasnt a solo action but it was leaded by Kenny and went down to his peons, ignoring those with brains.
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Unread 16 Sep 2010, 12:10   #157
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Re: Mehh

No, it wasn't, nor did I fabricate logs or pass on misinformation to the playerbase of NFI.

NewDawn can't honestly say they've played an honourable round when all they've done is hide behind politics, attacking into NFI-heavy gals, attacking alliances like CT, Osiris and, most 'brave' - ODDR, knowing full well that without the likes of NFI or Asc or App this round, there was no way they could stand a chance of hitting back. This isn't misinformation, this is exactly how it was playing out. NewDawn were being bullies, and I strongly disapproved of the playing style they'd adopted. Like DZ though, when it came to 'doing something', it was very much a case of "it's not worth it, the round is won, and they've not done anything to betray us".

FYI, all Apprime did was provide the exact same log as digizero has done again since on these forums. It was this approach that DZ made to App and (by his own admission) his "other allies" that cast too many aspersions over ND's intent.

This has got nothing to do with Planet Rank and the only reason it keeps getting mentioned is because it's the only way you can demonise my actions and rationalise your resentment for actually getting incomings this round.
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Unread 16 Sep 2010, 12:28   #158
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... NewDawn were being bullies, and I strongly disapproved of the playing style they'd adopted. ....
All the big alliances are gangs that bully if they are not being bullied into fighting the alliances above them, its the natural order of things around here... After all you are the ones who have consistently kept a large coalition around you in order to bully those bellow you who might at some point pose a threat if left alone.
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This has got nothing to do with Planet Rank and the only reason it keeps getting mentioned is because it's the only way you can demonise my actions and rationalise your resentment for actually getting incomings this round.
Although your inconsistency on that has been laughable and of course it attracts attention due to that you are right; The main problem with your actions is the odd perversion of the normal rules of plantation blocks, that the number one alliance is faced by far more opposition than it can gain in support. The problem for the rest of us in raising this as an issue is of course that its not a fault of yours, its good politics for you, the fault is with the alliances that have NAPed you against what would normally be construed to be their own better interests.
And thus deprived of being able to hit you with the issue that really rankles we grasp any other stick that presents itself, phant is that stick.
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Unread 16 Sep 2010, 12:31   #159
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Re: Mehh

Hmm, ok.

By the by, we've not been targetting any alliances that weren't hitting us back. Asc and App have been our main targets all round, my point with NewDawn is that they couldn't possibly hope to get the same kind of attention from the people they were hitting as the people we were hitting.

Asides from that your 'natural order' point is pretty spot on.
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We all got our roids from the same universe Kenny.. So where did you get your roids from then? Even more funny, you know we shared an attack channel and we setup attacks every night together (eventho you were never in that channel). You even sold out your own galaxies for us to roid (which was a nice offer offcourse to get some easy apprime roids) But i guess you dont know this because you werent there....

Why did you break your and sun_Tzu, lordn's word based on a log where you read that we would go against NFI. Again why would we go against NFI this late?

Why were you removing Amon from some channels the night before.. (And Berten and you still claim you got the log in the morning so what were you planning the night before)

Why didnt you backup CT properly. We were ptargetting apprime the night CT got heavy heavy incoming. Did you hit asc or just sit and watch. (and we werent even napped with CT).

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13:59 Kenny (Let's not argue over this, as I've had people tell me)
14:00 Kenny You had an offer 10 days ago to have the support of the entire universe in hitting NFI
14:00 Kenny which at the time you refused
14:01 Kenny Now however I've been pasted logs showing dz and um approaching people with the hope of reviving previous offer
Again why would we go against NFI this late? And why would we let a non hc member do the talk for us (unimatrix).. Dont hide behind "ND bullies" etc etc.

lol you didnt even dare to talk to an HC member to cancel the nap eventho two were online. so you used a normal member with some access to deliver the message.

nha in the end its a weak story. And again, Amon and I wouldnt have allowed the NFI nap to break so no matter what talks you see its empty talks.
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Hmm, ok.

By the by, we've not been targetting any alliances that weren't hitting us back. Asc and App have been our main targets all round, my point with NewDawn is that they couldn't possibly hope to get the same kind of attention from the people they were hitting as the people we were hitting.

Asides from that your 'natural order' point is pretty spot on.
Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla, u can talk whateva you want Snake.

Fact is: You broke your own words and showed us all again how unloyal and unworthy your naps/promisses/words are. You disgust me as a Human if you are one.

I hereby promiss NOT EVER gonna play in one alliance as you EVER again. People like your are the scum of the Earth.

I will do my best to keep that no one will ever forget how u Snitched and lied around your own words and promisses.

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Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla, u can talk whateva you want Snake.

Fact is: You broke your own words and showed us all again how unloyal and unworthy your naps/promisses/words are. You disgust me as a Human if you are one.

I hereby promiss NOT EVER gonna play in one alliance as you EVER again. People like your are the scum of the Earth.

I will do my best to keep that no one will ever forget how u Snitched and lied around your own words and promisses.

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Im just repeating the essence of this all...

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In all honesty, I doubt this was a solo action by Kenny.
What he said. To me it looks like people are shooting at the messenger tbh.
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Fact is: You broke your own words and showed us all again how unloyal and unworthy your naps/promisses/words are. You disgust me as a Human if you are one.
Lol, you do know PA is merely a game that involves politics, backstabbing allies and other dirty tricks right? How you try to make this personal and emotional, even hinting at what a bad human being he must be for playing dirty in a game more or less designed for that ... it's hilarious.
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NewDawn can't honestly say they've played an honourable round when all they've done is hide behind politics, attacking into NFI-heavy gals, attacking alliances like CT, Osiris and, most 'brave' - ODDR, knowing full well that without the likes of NFI or Asc or App this round, there was no way they could stand a chance of hitting back. This isn't misinformation, this is exactly how it was playing out. NewDawn were being bullies, and I strongly disapproved of the playing style they'd adopted.
This is a bad joke right? You strongly disapproved of their playing style! Oh my god someone call UN human rights commission! If they didn't break any agreements they've played an honest round. Christ ****ing knows what honourable might mean in pa either. I might as well accuse you of being dishonourable for assembling an overwhelming force initially.
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Hmm, ok.

By the by, we've not been targetting any alliances that weren't hitting us back.
Quoted for not being the truth.
Not that I really mind losing roids. It was full well expected as with every time some ally runs away this far and wants to clear out top ranks. (Though the unprovoked sending of SKs was really uncalled for)

My whole problem with the NFI actions lately is that you don't really manage to keep up to the whole status of ethics and honour you were promising:
- If we nap we stay true to our word.
- We focus on the group - not single planets

I like this approach, but at the end of the day it comes down to let actions follow after those words. Judging from what I would call a semi-neutral POV (we hate Phant - not NFI (ok also that other fecker who nuked 24 cons)):
- It was NFI who declared ending to the nap (reason is not important here)
- It was NFI and their allies who launched the first attacks after nap ended (shouldn't it have been ND and the huge group of allies they collected the last weeks?)
- There were at least 4 escorts of your biggest planet that I know of (the only excuse I heard so far being that others did it aswell)

All I am saying is that there is no such thing as "almost honorable" or "mostly honorable".
Either you follow the set of values you based your alliance on - or you don't.
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Quoted for not being the truth.
Not that I really mind losing roids. It was full well expected as with every time some ally runs away this far and wants to clear out top ranks.
This was one of the main reasons we moved from nfi to apprime. Every alliance finds a way to do this when they're dominant. It's just the way things go.
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This is a bad joke right? You strongly disapproved of their playing style! Oh my god someone call UN human rights commission! If they didn't break any agreements they've played an honest round. Christ ****ing knows what honourable might mean in pa either. I might as well accuse you of being dishonourable for assembling an overwhelming force initially.
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We all got our roids from the same universe Kenny.. So where did you get your roids from then? Even more funny, you know we shared an attack channel and we setup attacks every night together (eventho you were never in that channel). You even sold out your own galaxies for us to roid (which was a nice offer offcourse to get some easy apprime roids) But i guess you dont know this because you werent there....
You seem to be extremely competent at being selective over your use of facts, so I'm not going to just dismiss your comments, rather reply to them as I see fit (there were a couple of things I've already answered elsewhere, or I interpreted as rhetoric).

Firstly, NFI has a few HCs. Two of which were in the NFI/ND shared channel - the reason for this is, as I tried explaining to DZ, there was no need for us all to sit in a shared channel. The channel that ND/NFI shared was one that was being shared by most of the participants of the channel prior to the creation of NFI for a reason Tzu mentioned (but I forget because it was a while ago), with LordN being an 'addition' because as you quite rightly state - it was where attacks were being organised. Do you not think that LordN then reported back to the other HC's (Ali/Berten/Me/Patrikc/[Nitz]) what had been organised? Of course he did. Attack cooperation fell apart the minute you nap'd Asc (which I've also said before this), as we could no longer coordinate effectively given that we wanted to hit the one alliance you'd napped. Your initial offer to "hit the planets that aren't Asc" in the gals we targeted never came into fruition. In terms of support vs Asc, CT were absolutely invaluable and know how to treat somebody they're allied to.


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Why did you break your and sun_Tzu, lordn's word based on a log where you read that we would go against NFI. Again why would we go against NFI this late?
I didn't do anything that didn't get the green light from all remaining active HCs. Berten and [Nitz] have both commented on this thread supporting this claim.

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Why were you removing Amon from some channels the night before.. (And Berten and you still claim you got the log in the morning so what were you planning the night before)
This seems to be the cause for contention from your side at least. As explained to Amon and various others, I removed Amon as part of an digizero-induced ND-rage and wanted the freedom to express my opinions about ND without Amon being caught in the middle of it. Amon is good rl friends with both lordn and tzu, which is why he was there to start with. Infact, Amon was meant to be part of NFI from the start, and I think it was only when we added CBA did Amon decide for definite to stick with NewDawn. Even then, he was still meant to be a part of NFI (something which changed when we changed from being a 40-man BG-style tag to a full(ish) tag). However, him being in the NFI priv chan was very much a problem as I wanted to be able to bitch about his alliance pissing me off without putting him into the middle of it. Tzu said yesterday "if you think he was going to spy or leak you're a f**king moron", and had I actually thought that then yes - I'd fit his assessment. But it wasn't the case; I was just raging about DZ being an arse.

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Why didnt you backup CT properly. We were ptargetting apprime the night CT got heavy heavy incoming. Did you hit asc or just sit and watch. (and we werent even napped with CT).
THE night? As if they had only one? Oh shush.

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lol you didnt even dare to talk to an HC member to cancel the nap eventho two were online. so you used a normal member with some access to deliver the message.
Gangster was op'd in #newdawn and he was the only one who was. Aries was the only other person to get back to me. I wasn't about to wait around for somebody to show up, I had a timetable and I stuck by that and delivered the message to anyone who was avail....

No, wait a minute, I told Catwoman too a minute later (who apologised for being afk) - so this isn't even a valid point.

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It might be a weak story, but then I never intended for it to go to hardback.
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My whole problem with the NFI actions lately is that you don't really manage to keep up to the whole status of ethics and honour you were promising:
- If we nap we stay true to our word.
- We focus on the group - not single planets
We stayed true to ours for as long as we were confident the other side was staying true to theirs. In R26 I knew fine well that Foxman and co were lining up to backstab us, but VenoX/Reese/eksero didn't believe me. In the end it proved irrellevent as somebody from NoX fk'd up Foxman's gameplan by FC'ing two Asc planets and it was game over for Denial. Yes, this time I was very keen not to be caught out and so perhaps pre-empted the actions of Newdawn with a certain determination not to be screwed over based on past experiences.

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I like this approach, but at the end of the day it comes down to let actions follow after those words. Judging from what I would call a semi-neutral POV (we hate Phant - not NFI (ok also that other fecker who nuked 24 cons)):
- It was NFI who declared ending to the nap (reason is not important here)
- It was NFI and their allies who launched the first attacks after nap ended (shouldn't it have been ND and the huge group of allies they collected the last weeks?)
- There were at least 4 escorts of your biggest planet that I know of (the only excuse I heard so far being that others did it aswell)
If it's any consolation, I shouted the ears off of anyone using SK's on anyone we weren't "fighting". It wont bring your constructions back, but it wasn't something we condoned.

As for launching the first strike, this was perfectly legitimate as both parties knew war was coming. Hit them first, put them on the defensive. I honestly don't see what's wrong with this in a game designed around attacking your enemies. Please though, if I've missed a trick here, tell me.

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All I am saying is that there is no such thing as "almost honorable" or "mostly honorable".
Either you follow the set of values you based your alliance on - or you don't.
Yeah, I regret bringing up the 'h' word. I was using it for poetic flare but really it can't possibly be applied to a computer game environment.
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So, long story short, NFI figured ND wanted to stab them in the back and decided to do it first. Then they went to all the alliances they could find and asked them to hit ND. And tonight they did, NFI, Apprime, Conspiracy, Hex (!) and yes, Rock. Ohh and some Osiris in between.

So the biggest alliance in the game work with #4, #5 and #10 and some others. Now I don' disagree with the politics in this, it is a war game and you should focus on winning and that includes gaining the best position you can before a war. But lets not pretend there will be an exciting end to the round, cuz with all those targeting ND it will go fast.

But its a lot better then what has been and so lets just play the game, fight and get ready for next round. I am sure the server have learned never to trust Kenny and by extension NFI again and some day they might pay for that, maybe not, but for now just fight and have fun

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So, long story short, NFI figured ND wanted to stab them in the back and decided to do it first. Then they went to all the alliances they could find and asked them to hit ND. And tonight they did, NFI, Apprime, Conspiracy, Hex (!) and yes, Rock. Ohh and some Osiris in between.

So the biggest alliance in the game work with #4, #5 and #10 and some others. Now I don' disagree with the politics in this, it is a war game and you should focus on winning and that includes gaining the best position you can before a war. But lets not pretend there will be an exciting end to the round, cuz with all those targeting ND it will go fast.

But its a lot better then what has been and so lets just play the game, fight and get ready for next round. I am sure the server have learned never to trust Kenny and by extension NFI again and some day they might pay for that, maybe not, but for now just fight and have fun

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Ok, you SERIOUSLY need to go get your facts straight. How many times do I need to tell you?

-I approached CT, offering them a shot at retribution (they accepted)

-Apprime approached me (who I agreed to work with)

-Never heard from or spoken to Rock for pretty much the entire round, so no idea where that came from.

-Kai from Hex pm'd me with logs of DigitalZero asking for Hex's help, and Kai telling DZ to f**k off. I told hex to stay out of the fight.

-Dimentus from Osi pm'd me to say DZ had asked for their help in hitting NFI, but they weren't sure what they were gonna do yet. I did not ask for Osi's help, I just said "well, let me know which way you're gonna go on this". The forum thread Osi posted last night was mine and DZ's answer.

-ODDR have agreed to work with NewDawn. I speak to Greg quite a lot, so it's never clear who pm's who as normally we're just returning each other's missed messages. Either way, he said to me about their decision to side with NewDawn based on DoDDy's friendship with Unimatrix

-Ascendancy are working with ND and we did not approach them.

-xVx are anti-NFI in the war I'm assured because of Phant, so was no point in even approaching them

-VGN is kinda laughable. Initially Lex pm'd me telling me they'd stay out of the war if NFI agreed not to hit 8:2, which after discussing with other NFI HC's we decided we might as well accept that offer. 45 minutes later gm pm's saying that due to an argument in the HC channel at VGN, Lex had quit and another guy had stepped down. Bizzarrely it was Hylands who didn't like the idea of being left alone to take galwin. A bit of drama, but again - nobody I or anyone else approached from NFI.

IN FACT, the only person I've pm'd apart from gm @ ct was Buddah after he joined #[NFI] and said "where do you want my ships". App had answered first though (apparently I'm just not quick enough off the bat sometimes!) and so either way he made his choice.

Anyone of the above people with confirm everything I've said, so PLEASE for the love of GOD bitch about my attitude, cry over getting incoming, but don't just start making shit up for the f**ksake of it.
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So the biggest alliance in the game work with #4, #5 and #10 and some others.
Just to clarify, you're saying that it's 1, 4, 5 & 10 vs. 2? Perhaps this is on a different server?
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1, 4 & 5 vs 2, 3 and 13 still makes 212 vs 172; and thats assuming HeX is not with you and xVx is with us, neither of which im sure of.
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1, 4 & 5 vs 2, 3, 6 and 13 still makes 212 vs 243; and thats assuming HeX is not with you and xVx is with us, neither of which im sure of.
Fixed, you forgot ODDR is on your side.
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Fixed, you forgot ODDR is on your side.
That's the funniest post I've seen in a long time. Do you guys actually believe those numbers?

You must be stupid as well as dishonest.

To clear up another of your lies Ascendancy didn't decide to work with ND until late last night. In fact, if this thread hadn't existed we probably wouldn't even have gone that far, opinion was pretty much against ND before you started with the moralistic crap again.
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That's the funniest post I've seen in a long time. Do you guys actually believe those numbers?

You must be stupid as well as dishonest.

To clear up another of your lies Ascendancy didn't decide to work with ND until late last night. In fact, if this thread hadn't existed we probably wouldn't even have gone that far, opinion was pretty much against ND before you started with the moralistic crap again.
See? This is just another drone jumping on the bandwagon trying to take a cheap shot at me.

Londo posted numbers suggesting that if we added all the official numbers up of the alliances represented in each block, then NFI would outnumber ND. All I was doing was pointing out that he forgot an alliance on his side that conveniently swayed the numbers in his favour.

I wasn't suggesting that either post was an accurate representation of numbers, Shev.
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Fixed, you forgot ODDR is on your side.
oddly because they aint
I just did a random selection of 10 News (plus had a dozen blocked )scans on oddr and have found

1 attack on a VGN
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but mostly they are getting attacked
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See? This is just another drone jumping on the bandwagon trying to take a cheap shot at me.

Londo posted numbers suggesting that if we added all the official numbers up of the alliances represented in each block, then NFI would outnumber ND. All I was doing was pointing out that he forgot an alliance on his side that conveniently swayed the numbers in his favour.

I wasn't suggesting that either post was an accurate representation of numbers, Shev.
The word fixed indicates that yes, you were suggesting you were making the comment accurate. (Another use of the word fixed could refer to the outcome of this "war" with ND, oddly)

And I've been on this particular bandwagon all the way through this thread, having been the one who first recalled and posted your bombastic request to quote date and time of you saying you wouldn't break your NAP.

As I've said before, I have no issues with you trying to win, trying to get better positions, whatever - just stop attempting to dress it up as a magnanimous favour to Planetarion and a brave, risky but honorable move.
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Wierd. Maybe I should have another chat with Greg!
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I ought to add that Im sure this is the probability that I was talking about in the osiris thread in operation not that they are with you.
and obviously that could be the only 3 attacks on NDs compared to dozens on NFI, it still shows they dont have a side.
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I'm confused, according to you we're on ND's side & according to ND we're on your side...
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You seem to be extremely competent at being selective over your use of facts, so I'm not going to just dismiss your comments, rather reply to them as I see fit (there were a couple of things I've already answered elsewhere, or I interpreted as rhetoric).
Hmm you seem to be quilty for the same. You still didnt answer the most basic question.

Why would ND drop NFI this late? What could ND gain since we secured nr 1 planet.

So Kenny answer me.. You think ND wanted to backstab you. Why would we ever do that at this point of the round?
You broke the nap for this reason so you should have an answer to it.
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but mostly they are getting attacked
Actually today we didn't have nearly as much inc as usual...
Just some VGN attackers.
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Actually today we didn't have nearly as much inc as usual...
Just some VGN attackers.
I saw some hostile Asc'ers in there too; there is always the possibility some of our intel on you is wrong, or I happened to scan disproportionately more ppl with incs, it was random after all (except for ignoring the very small for fear of having nothing but cons on a scan )
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At least we are finally fighting it out!
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Why would ND drop NFI this late? What could ND gain since we secured nr 1 planet.

So Kenny answer me.. You think ND wanted to backstab you. Why would we ever do that at this point of the round?
You broke the nap for this reason so you should have an answer to it.
Honestly? I think due to the bad relationship that developed between myself and DZ, after kicking Amon I believe that they may well have had a concern that trouble was brewing. I do however, based on all said and done, think that ND were making enquiries into doing something that I wasn't happy with.

This isn't a 60's Disney movie, this isn't black and white and there is no clear 'good' and 'evil' side in any of this. I did something based on what somebody else did. I never said it was purely out of nobility, but I stand by the reasons why ND were pissing me off and then why I broke the nap.
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Wow so much speculation.Just to clarify ODDRs position in all this we are not on sides,we are carrying on hitting whoever we want from a nuetral point.Though im sure ill get a usual ND pm of stop you are in our top 3 hostiles blah blah blah karma baby
When you nap most of the alliances that are big enough to hit you what remains are the next biggest alliances hitting you the most. simples.
Does it really matter?NDs decision to pull out of a block vs NFI 2 weeks ago was the end of the round and the last time we were willing to get involved.
I hope this clears up our end
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I saw some hostile Asc'ers in there too; there is always the possibility some of our intel on you is wrong, or I happened to scan disproportionately more ppl with incs, it was random after all (except for ignoring the very small for fear of having nothing but cons on a scan )
Our intel isn't that great either (except the parts I leeched from other allies).
But pretty sure most of our incs were VGN, didn't check all of them.

I'm 100% certain though that our total amount of inc this morning was maybe half or a quarter of the amount of incs we normally recieved.
Most likely because ND, NFI, other people looking for easy roids have their fleets pretty much tied up fighting a 'war'
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Hmm you seem to be quilty for the same. You still didnt answer the most basic question.

Why would ND drop NFI this late? What could ND gain since we secured nr 1 planet.

So Kenny answer me.. You think ND wanted to backstab you. Why would we ever do that at this point of the round?
You broke the nap for this reason so you should have an answer to it.
Why not? An 18 mill gap is nothing when the whole uni is bashing your competitor for the last 10 days and you getting 0 incommings. The reality is NFI received enough information to feel ND were going behind their backs, whether you did plan to or not matter very little, it is how it is perceived. NFI saw a threat appearing and took steps to manage it accordingly.

In all honesty I don't rekon most of the ND HC wanted to drop the NAP but DZ was giving NFI a different impression through pm's with Kenny and other people talking to us and providing info when DZ had spoken to them. Unfortunately that impression gave NFI strong reasons to doubt ND as a whole and thus the NAP was dropped.

NFI has no reason to justify itself to the forum boards for the drop of the NAP, we have made the point clear as to why we felt necessary to drop the NAP and thats all (if you don't agree with the reasons why its not going to upset us)

Besides we all win, Asc get to do lol waves, forum trolls get something to do, people have someone to whine at, NFI and ND get to show what they are made of, its all go go go compared to the last few weeks
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Posting your own coords isn't illegal, dude. :P

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Why not? An 18 mill gap is nothing when the whole uni is bashing your competitor for the last 10 days and you getting 0 incommings. The reality is NFI received enough information to feel ND were going behind their backs, whether you did plan to or not matter very little, it is how it is perceived. NFI saw a threat appearing and took steps to manage it accordingly.
I don't think anyone really has any objection to what you've done per se. Just with various arrogant "well, we'll never break naps like some alliances might" bullshit statements. If you weren't going to stick to a principled statement not to break a nap unless someone else did it first you shouldn't have ****ing said you would.
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Basically though, we might well lose tagwin, not get anywhere near planet or galwin, and end the round having acheived nothing.
And here we have a brief interview with an experienced commentator on Planetarion affairs when asked his opinion on the above statement.
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Our intel isn't that great either (except the parts I leeched from other allies).
But pretty sure most of our incs were VGN, didn't check all of them.

I'm 100% certain though that our total amount of inc this morning was maybe half or a quarter of the amount of incs we normally recieved.
Most likely because ND, NFI, other people looking for easy roids have their fleets pretty much tied up fighting a 'war'
That's rather funny as i am pretty sure VGN didn't attack a single one of your members (might have been some retals tho)
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That's rather funny as i am pretty sure VGN didn't attack a single one of your members (might have been some retals tho)
That is correct Influence, I was DC from around 4 am to 6 am and then again from around 9 am to 2 pm today. We had around 40 incoming from ODDR, and thats about it. Our attacks tonigh as far as I could see from my own targets where NFI.

The reason I said NFI, Apprime, CT, Hex, Rock +++ where working together are easy, those are the ones hitting ND today together in organised attacks. It can be ofc just be a coincidence, bu that will show itself the next few days. I did not complain nor whine, just a statement of fact as some people try to make this out to be a even fight wich it is not I can fully see where NFI is coming from and why and I only try to learn, not to judge or saying it is wrong.

As for the rest a bi of drama can be nice from time to time

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