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Unread 23 Mar 2005, 20:10   #51
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I especially like the argument from the christians that "No one has the right to decide who lives or dies".

But excuse me, isnt she hooked up on a machine that keeps her alive. Thats a choice, is it not ?

No that is the will of god.
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I especially like the argument from the christians that "No one has the right to decide who lives or dies".
I don't see that as exclusively a christian or even a religious argument.
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they did appeal.

they lost that to.

see how it takes lawyers to put things right?
Lawyers put things right ?

Surely you mean, lawyers will prolong the case for as long as possible to make lots of money. They don't care if they are wrong or right

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Re: Theresa Schiavo
In all seriousness, they should toss a coin to decide. Those close to her are divided, she expressed no personal desire, and she isnt suffering (as far as I know). There is no ground here on which a rational decision can be justified, and those arguing for either side seem to be building castles in the air.
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Re: Theresa Schiavo
Her quality of life is non existent. Mentally, shes a vegetable, she has no physical control over her own body, theres no indication shes even aware of those around her, just let her die for gods sake.
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she does have some 'startle' reactions tho, which gives those in favour of life some (false) arguments.
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Think of what would happen if the govenment got custody and she awoke some time later. OMG... that would really boost the popularity of those religious nuts.
We'd all have to listen to their "I told you so" stories.
Still, this is bad, the government meddling in private affairs like that.
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An eating disorder put her into the coma and an "eating disorder" will "cure" her.
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No that is the will of god.
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It is the natural state of human beings to be hooked up to life-support machines and anyone who says otherwise is a ****ing satan-worshipper
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Her maiden name is Schindler, and she is on queball's deathlist.....
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Reading bbcnews reports it seems she's just brain-damaged and has been in a vegetative state for 15 years.
She would make a brilliant local councillor

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To be fair she's generated more media interest on an issue than a councillor ever could.

Going back on topic: If she is going to die, i just hope it's as painless as possible, apparently dehydration/starvation isn't the best way of achieving this
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Yes, the one good thing about this is that interest in living wills has increased significantly.
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Going back on topic: If she is going to die, i just hope it's as painless as possible, apparently dehydration/starvation isn't the best way of achieving this
If anyone did that to an animal they'd be arrested.
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Is she dead yet?*








*im going to randomly post this during the week to see if she has actually karked it, since i have no interest in reading the news websites to see more right wing christian groups making arses of themselves.
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Re: Theresa Schiavo
the funniest thing about this situation is that if you ask anyone 'hey.. if by chance you become a vegetable with no hope of recovery would you want to be put on lifesupport to squeeze out every last second of your life possible?' i have not met a person who has answered yes. everyone i've asked has said 'no! i'd want someone to pull the plug, i wouldn't want to live like that!!'
but then when it happens to someone else everyone cries for them to stay alive.
whatever happened to the 'do unto others as you'll have done unto you' policy? :\
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the funniest thing about this situation is that if you ask anyone 'hey.. if by chance you become a vegetable with no hope of recovery would you want to be put on lifesupport to squeeze out every last second of your life possible?' i have not met a person who has answered yes.
I'm fairly ambivalent about that myself. I wouldn't want my family to think they had to keep me alive, but if they want to keep my body going for their own peace of mind then it's certainly not going to bother me.
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everyone i've asked has said 'no! i'd want someone to pull the plug, i wouldn't want to live like that!!'
Presumably one wouldn't be 'living' though. If brain dead = dead, then it doesn't really seem like it would make any difference to the person who's dead. Of course, I suppose others may feel differently about that.
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I'm fairly ambivalent about that myself. I wouldn't want my family to think they had to keep me alive, but if they want to keep my body going for their own peace of mind then it's certainly not going to bother me.
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Yes, the one good thing about this is that interest in living wills has increased significantly.

If anyone did that to an animal they'd be arrested.
If anything this case strengthens any case for euthanasia. Yes life is precious, but in this situation where there seems to be little hope of recovery, and indeed little improvement over the 15 years, surely it seems only right that it should be up to the application to a court as to whether she should be allowed to die in the most painless way possible as opposed to the current degrading way they propose to kill her, they are perfectly open about the object of their action - they might as well just get it over with in a more humane manner instead of trying to fit in with some philosophical mumbo-jumbo.

If anything in europe there is the human right against degrading and inhuman treatment, I don't see how keeping her artificially alive, or indeed letting her starve/dehydrate to death fits in with that.
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i agree wtih lokken
but it's 'murder' to whoever gives her the needle. at least pulling the plug they can say it's not murder (though it still is in a way). i guess it's for their own piece of mind. but it's still cruel in my opinion.

tact: keeping my body 'alive' for peace of mind if i've been pronounced 'braindead' is disgusting imho. and i think it's torture to the person. know we don't know what she k nows is going on.. but they think she's been responding to some things ( arguable i know) but imagine yourself trapped in that body. she can see you, she can hear you, but that's about it (hypothetically). that sucks big time. imagine watching your family in pain, i'd be wishing i was dead every day. 'gee.. my quality of life sucks.. i wish they'd just pull the plug.. but hey if it makes them feel better to see my lying here then ok' ?? :\
maybe i'm just having a hard time seeing your point of view. i suppose it's a hard thing to do (pull the plug) but i would do it for my family and friends.
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Imagine this:

In the easter weekend, exactly on sunday night 00:00 Jerusalem time, the Pope croaks it, turns to ashes, and ascends to heaven in Multicolor 3D 5.1 Dolby pro-logic, while on the other end of the ocean, Theresa wakes up, light shining from her eyes, accepts the throne of God on earth, blessing the Bushes and cardinal Ratzinger in the same breath, and whilst all sinners suddenly repent, all the lights in the world go on and off, or off and on if they were on to start with, and phones mysteriously suddenly start to ring in Washington, Berlin, Moscow, London and Paris.
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Where is that elderly superhero, Dr. Kevorkian, when you need him?
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I'd feel happier and more confident in saying "she should be allowed to die" if she didnt have such a happy look on her face. For all we know, her brain damage might have merely left her in a permanent blissful state of childhood wonder, thus she would be leading the greatest ever life.
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I'd feel happier and more confident in saying "she should be allowed to die" if she didnt have such a happy look on her face. For all we know, her brain damage might have merely left her in a permanent blissful state of childhood wonder, thus she would be leading the greatest ever life.


Even more reason for her to die then.
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tact: keeping my body 'alive' for peace of mind if i've been pronounced 'braindead' is disgusting imho. and i think it's torture to the person. know we don't know what she k nows is going on.. but they think she's been responding to some things ( arguable i know) but imagine yourself trapped in that body. she can see you, she can hear you, but that's about it (hypothetically).
If she really has that much cognitive ability left then she's a lot further from being brain dead than anyone who wants to pull her plug is suggesting and, paradoxically, that could be a stronger argument for keeping her alive.

If the doctors are right however then she really is brain dead and has no awareness of her own state of being.
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that sucks big time. imagine watching your family in pain, i'd be wishing i was dead every day. 'gee.. my quality of life sucks.. i wish they'd just pull the plug.. but hey if it makes them feel better to see my lying here then ok' ?? :\
maybe i'm just having a hard time seeing your point of view. i suppose it's a hard thing to do (pull the plug) but i would do it for my family and friends.
You seem to be assuming that she's more-or-less fully conscious but just unable to communicate somehow and, yes, that would be an utterly horrible state to be in. I don't think that's an accurate representation of her condition though.
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If she was a true follower of God, a wittness of Jehova, she would not be in this unworthy predicament.
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If she was a true follower of God, a wittness of Jehova, she would not be in this unworthy predicament.
What does that mean exactly? Are you trying to say that God rewards believers by not putting them through tests?

Even if you are the poster child athiest, I would suggest you take about an hour of your time, and read through the book of Job. Please don't be confused; I'm not saying this to try and win over souls here, but it is actually a pretty good story about a guy who God pretty much takes a shit on, and how he reacts to it.

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What does that mean exactly? Are you trying to say that God rewards believers by not putting them through tests?

Even if you are the poster child athiest, I would suggest you take about an hour of your time, and read through the book of Job. Please don't be confused; I'm not saying this to try and win over souls here, but it is actually a pretty good story about a guy who God pretty much takes a shit on, and how he reacts to it.

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Plus the bible's hardly the most accurate historical account in existence.
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Plus the bible's hardly the most accurate historical account in existence.
Actually, I think it is up there with the best of them.
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What does that mean exactly? Are you trying to say that God rewards believers by not putting them through tests?

Even if you are the poster child athiest, I would suggest you take about an hour of your time, and read through the book of Job. Please don't be confused; I'm not saying this to try and win over souls here, but it is actually a pretty good story about a guy who God pretty much takes a shit on, and how he reacts to it.

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No I'm saying there are religions out there that consist of maniacs that think that everything is the will of god and therefore unnatural life extension is sinful.

I read the book of Job. It's a graphic and accurate display of God's love.
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is she dead yet?
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Actually, I think it is up there with the best of them.
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I'm pretty sure the Burden Of Proof lies with those claiming the bible is an accurate historical account to be honest.

Especially when it comes to things which are logically incoherent.
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The situation at hand is just plain sad at best. Admittedly, I too don't know full facts about her condition but nevertheless morality as we know it, surely should suggest that her life is ended before this is made even more pathetic. Why on earth do they want to keep demeaning her further by continuing her bland existance I'll never know. The hypocrisy featured in the 'let her live' division is too retarded to even be deemed as comedic.
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She still hasnīt croaked it.
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Re: Theresa Schiavo
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She still hasnīt croaked it.
The power of Christ compels her.
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Re: Theresa Schiavo
Damn... tough woman.
She's been going for how long now?
I wonder how long she still has to hold on before this is called out to be a miracle and she's being made the new pope.
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seriously, how many other people in the world can last for this long without water?

however, i will only say that she is 'the real deal' if she survives for the whole 40 days thing
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indeed, then she can be the next pope
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Is she dead yet?
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Re: Theresa Schiavo
I know there's a siggie out there that says

"Dead girls can't say no"

maybe this is the time to change it to,

"Girls who couldn't say 'No', 'Yes' or "Please let me die' can't say no when they're dead girls"
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Is she dead yet?

stop stealing my lines fat boy
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