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Rinoa · 9 Mar 2003, 05:39

From Manual:

"Luckily, you are not alone in your galaxy, you have a galactic politics board and inter-galaxy cooperation is vital to survival. Galaxies fight one another, some galaxies team up against other common enemies. Some large alliances span 100s of players and planets, the biggest has had over 1000 at their prime."

Just wondering since my pre rnd 4knowlege is poor, which alliance was this? Was there really 1000 active or more a kind of snowball effect at signup?

Also who was this?
"You should expect that a few alliances will rise above the rest, ruling with terror and ruthlessness. "

They need spanked.

heh [/fullstop]

MrL_JaKiri · 9 Mar 2003, 06:07

It's probably referring to blocks.

Or just making it up.

Cochese · 9 Mar 2003, 06:15

I don't think a block has ever surpassed the 1k mark...

The manual writers were probably going on their 40th hour without sleep when they wrote this part.

AlbinoSquirrel · 9 Mar 2003, 06:25

Blue Tuba, you fools.

Their R2 "count" was over a thousand before the Great War. I don't know what their official count was, but I believe the numbers were around 1200. Of course, the vast majority were tag-leeches and inactives - they collapsed into a much smaller, quite good core of players within days (hello TNG).

Now, cue for Lok or Pat or McIvan to come fill in the gaps...the most I remember of Tuba back then was how much fun it was to wipe them out

Axis_WLF · 9 Mar 2003, 06:30

ya 1237 i think BlueTuba r2 and 17 NAPS!!!!! not only were they huge in member base but they allied/napped with the universe thus eliminating 90% of the targets.

Cochese · 9 Mar 2003, 07:01

I thought that might be what the manual was referring to, but then thought it was too far back and questionably relevant for them to bring up :/

(they make it sound like a super-alliance of 1k active, ruthless players all working together)

G.K Zhukov · 9 Mar 2003, 07:44

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Originally posted by Cochese
I thought that might be what the manual was referring to, but then thought it was too far back and questionably relevant for them to bring up :/

(they make it sound like a super-alliance of 1k active, ruthless players all working together)

and now its 3 or 4k players in total in the universe?

Cochese · 9 Mar 2003, 08:37

I've seen user ID's as high as 5600 something...but I don't know if that relates to actual planet numbers.

3-4k is probably a safe bet, yes.

Scorpio · 9 Mar 2003, 09:59

Even the, at that time (r2) not so established, Xanadu alliance (UXF, or was it during XFA days??) had around 800 members

Anyway, only like 200 of them were active in the alliance. Probably even less.

Scouse · 9 Mar 2003, 12:42

Fury in round 7 had over 1000 players, scan planets, farms and attack partners.

(kidding)

Ahriman · 9 Mar 2003, 13:37

...I would have thought it was completely obvious from the outset. Yet again I'm surprised

Teh_Necro · 9 Mar 2003, 15:26

no block has ever surpassed 1k players?

I must be on crack or something, b/c i swear r4 blocks contained a few k each

-Necro

Jykke · 9 Mar 2003, 15:31

Clearly my dear Ooooomph! had when it was living its r2

The Figures:

The game has approximately 30000 players, 15000 large enough to make a difference. Blue Tuba has 2000 members - with possibly 1000 allies foolish enough to help defend.

This is a very very do-able task - and in fact I believe we'll find it enjoyable too!

Fact Taken From:
http://btwilldie.iwarp.com/

ComradeRob · 9 Mar 2003, 15:40

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Originally posted by Teh_Necro
no block has ever surpassed 1k players?

I must be on crack or something, b/c i swear r4 blocks contained a few k each

-Necro

VeX would have been 700-900, by my guess (just a guess, not based on any accurate figures).

NoS/CELL 300 or so.

Fury/Wolfpack... 300? Adding in Virus and Tuba could double that number.

None of those blocks is a 'few k', in fact they're not really any bigger than today's blocks :\

Ofc, they did have a lot more gals under their control as members were much more spread out, so the overall effect was that the blocks had more people fighting for them, but these were not alliance members.

Ahriman · 9 Mar 2003, 15:57

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From http://btwilldie.iwarp.com/
These details are subject to change - so please make sure you email us with your planet co-ordinates and details so we can check that you are not a spy - and keep you informed of final launch times.

Nice URL Eldan

I was never aware of it at the time, I might have joined their... 'revolt'...

Sergio · 9 Mar 2003, 16:53

Now that we are talking about numbers...
It would be fun if someone could illuminate us with member counts of the actual blocks

I know it is hard, but what would be your guesses?

Scouse · 9 Mar 2003, 17:10

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Originally posted by Sergio
Now that we are talking about numbers...
It would be fun if someone could illuminate us with member counts of the actual blocks

I know it is hard, but what would be your guesses?

This probably isn't the best idea, as all blocks will say they don't have many members whilst preaching that the other blocks have loads. They could dispute it till they went blue in the face and it wouldn't really change a thing.

And member numbers has always been a bad way to rate a block, because quality is quite obviously better than quantity. However, a large enough gap is quantity and it makes up for the lack of quality.

Saitam · 9 Mar 2003, 17:46

Anyone remember if there where any attacks on "BT-day"?

(Waited and hoped for some incoming, but never saw them).

Sergio · 9 Mar 2003, 17:46

Quantity is not the most important factor, even when talking about the single alliances in the most important blocks. The perfect example was LDK, a very small, but very powerful wing of Xanadu first and alliance after that.
I think the difference in quality between the alliances will be the deciding factor in the upcoming war, if the 3 most important blocks hit each other equally. If however, NaR allies or NAPs with either side, then numbers will win in the end.

AlbinoSquirrel · 9 Mar 2003, 18:07

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Originally posted by Saitam
Anyone remember if there where any attacks on "BT-day"?

(Waited and hoped for some incoming, but never saw them).

I think there were, but not too many (obviously)

Kjeldoran · 9 Mar 2003, 19:16

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Originally posted by Scouse
And member numbers has always been a bad way to rate a block, because quality is quite obviously better than quantity. However, a large enough gap is quantity and it makes up for the lack of quality.

exactly, like you said, Quality > Quantity untill the margin is too big and then Quantity will take over

rgds Kj

Sev · 9 Mar 2003, 19:57

If my somewhat dubious memory serves me correctly, didn't SL (Scandanavian Legion to those who weren't there) pass 1000 at one point? Of course, by that point it had changed into a bloated ineffective relic of the fairly effective alliance it once was, but I seem to remember it at least having some impressive statistics.

NightSinner · 9 Mar 2003, 21:49

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Originally posted by Rinoa
[b]Just wondering since my pre rnd 4knowlege is poor, which alliance was this? Was there really 1000 active or more a kind of snowball effect at signup?

SL of course

Scorpio · 9 Mar 2003, 22:04

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Originally posted by Sergio
Quantity is not the most important factor, even when talking about the single alliances in the most important blocks. The perfect example was LDK, a very small, but very powerful wing of Xanadu first and alliance after that.
I think the difference in quality between the alliances will be the deciding factor in the upcoming war, if the 3 most important blocks hit each other equally. If however, NaR allies or NAPs with either side, then numbers will win in the end.

not trying to discredit LDK's achievements or playing ability, but they were actually a bit more numerous than some people think

Chax · 9 Mar 2003, 22:58

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Originally posted by Scorpio
not trying to discredit LDK's achievements or playing ability, but they were actually a bit more numerous than some people think

Thing was we never saw most of them. It was such a drag to hop over to their server that it was much easier arranging things with the few that were on same server.

I think the enemy noticed them a lot more than we did :P

Stress · 10 Mar 2003, 01:17

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
VeX would have been 700-900, by my guess (just a guess, not based on any accurate figures).

na thats far to high

allthough if u consider Acherons 460 members for about 2 weeks u might be right

most of them where vut off quite fast though

ParraCida · 10 Mar 2003, 10:17

LOST had up too 800 members in Round 3. Never made it to the 1k tho

Luckeh!!!! · 10 Mar 2003, 11:00

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Originally posted by NightSinner
SL of course

^^^ wins

Scorpio · 10 Mar 2003, 13:25

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Originally posted by Stress
na thats far to high allthough if u consider Acherons 460 members for about 2 weeks u might be right
most of them where vut off quite fast though

Just had a look at the arbiter list of Legion and Elysium for round 4.
Those 2 alone had 900 entries, of which overtime 300 were deleted. So netto say around 600, add Xanadu to that, and 900 would actually be a good guess

wakey · 10 Mar 2003, 14:19

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Originally posted by Sev
If my somewhat dubious memory serves me correctly, didn't SL (Scandanavian Legion to those who weren't there) pass 1000 at one point? Of course, by that point it had changed into a bloated ineffective relic of the fairly effective alliance it once was, but I seem to remember it at least having some impressive statistics.

Well when that major flaw was found in their memberlist which gave anyone access to the whole memberlist it was getting on to around 1500 members. its what made SL such a joke, they had nearly 1500 members yet a 50 member alliance could beat them

K03N · 10 Mar 2003, 16:14

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Originally posted by Scorpio
Just had a look at the arbiter list of Legion and Elysium for round 4.
Those 2 alone had 900 entries, of which overtime 300 were deleted. So netto say around 600, add Xanadu to that, and 900 would actually be a good guess

i have that list too.
100's of e-mail adresses.
think i'll add them to my MSN list and pretend i have lots of friends

Rinoa · 10 Mar 2003, 16:28

Ok so the were alliances that can claim over 1k members, so how many members does that put in their channels at the time?
my guess round 200/300 mark?

Scouse · 10 Mar 2003, 16:30

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Originally posted by Rinoa
Ok so the were alliances that can claim over 1k members, so how many members does that put in their channels at the time?
my guess round 200/300 mark?

I think that's too high an estimate. A huge deal of the members were inactive, I'd probably guess 200 at it's peak. Even that seems too high though.

Patrician · 10 Mar 2003, 18:45

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Originally posted by Saitam
Anyone remember if there where any attacks on "BT-day"?

(Waited and hoped for some incoming, but never saw them).

A few misguided souls launched, however they were quickly eliminated, then had their gals strip mined into the ground. We were looking forward to it (the NAP situation was indeed ridiculous), although some cowardly fellows went into vacation mode, heh (needless to say these all 'vanished' when war was declared later on)

Of course the real BT happened later in the round courtesy of the universe, lead by Legion and Fury.

The BT Day website tended to exaggerate, the alliance was no where near 2000 members, it was round about the 1200 mark (Although there were quite a few fake taggers). When the war started the true count appeared to be about 70ish, which steadily decreased as the weeks went on.

As for '1000 allies', at the end of the day there were none - heh.

(We deserved it though :))

Stress · 10 Mar 2003, 19:05

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Originally posted by Scorpio
Just had a look at the arbiter list of Legion and Elysium for round 4.
Those 2 alone had 900 entries, of which overtime 300 were deleted. So netto say around 600, add Xanadu to that, and 900 would actually be a good guess

doubt it perhaps for a short period. But when i looked at member changes and how manny where removed form acheron those numbers still seem to high for me. on an average that is

Saitam · 10 Mar 2003, 19:16

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Originally posted by Stress
doubt it perhaps for a short period. But when i looked at member changes and how manny where removed form acheron those numbers still seem to high for me. on an average that is

Some of those elysium members moved up to legion also...

11 Mar 2003, 14:22

I remember all that. BT basically got bored and said pretty much anyone can join if I remember right, and most poeple thought joining such a massive alliance was great, but did nothing. I was never a member, I thought I would then have nobody left to attack if I joined

Scouse · 11 Mar 2003, 16:00

Joining an alliance and wearing the tag were, and still are, completely different. Putting a tag in required 2 seconds of your time in your preferences screen, applying to actually get into BlueTuba took you 3 hours.

They had a ridiculous application form which I'm sure was just taking the piss out of the newbies wanting to join.

Saitam · 13 Mar 2003, 14:33

Also bear in mind that irc was not implemented until about half way into rnd2, so most ppl playing where not active in the way we think of activity atm.

lokken · 13 Mar 2003, 17:03

Deleting over 600 members in a day is a highlight of my time in pa.

It really is.

Scouse · 13 Mar 2003, 19:14

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Originally posted by Saitam
Also bear in mind that irc was not implemented until about half way into rnd2

It wasn't half way, it wasn't quite as far into the round as that, I'd guess at early stages.

And people still used IRC, just not a PA one.

AlbinoSquirrel · 13 Mar 2003, 23:28

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Originally posted by Scouse
It wasn't half way, it wasn't quite as far into the round as that, I'd guess at early stages.

And people still used IRC, just not a PA one.

There was a PA channel on Quakenet as early as R1. PAnet didn't come about till early R2, as Scouse said.