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Unread 3 Oct 2007, 03:10   #151
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Re: Congratulations Exilition

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This does not apply to the example at hand, and as many have pointed out already: once you're on the defensive, you've effectively lost already.

P.S. Why are you defending against fake waves?
You can't win by just attacking. You need to defend as well. One of the reasons for eXs success is that they are very good at defending with a single def fleet. So to win you have to be on the offensive as well as on the defensive.
Having your top planet napped in the end means more available fleets to attack and defend with.
And you can never be 100% sure the early waves are fake, so you have to defend them.
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Re: Congratulations Exilition

I'm not saying you should never defend, this isn'r r16 any more. I am saying that when you get 5 waves on your 2-3 top planets every night, and use a significant amount of alliance def to cover those, you're probably not going to win.

Anyway, post-war skirmishes aren't part of the scenario at hand. We're talking about a universe in which the winner is not yet decided, not a universe in which the #1 alliance has 50% more score and 128% more roids than the #2.
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Unread 3 Oct 2007, 06:52   #153
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Re: Congratulations Exilition

The problem with eXi is that they ruined the round. A real winner wins a real fight. There never was a real fight. There are no winners this round. Just one alliance at the top of the ranking that is as bored as the rest of us.
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Re: Congratulations Exilition

It's because when you're in a small alliance the bigger fish shouldn't attack you because it's unfair.
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The problem with eXi is that they ruined the round. A real winner wins a real fight. There never was a real fight. There are no winners this round. Just one alliance at the top of the ranking that is as bored as the rest of us.
How did exi ruin the round? A real winner wins a real fight? I doubt you can blame exi for all those other alliances not being able to give us a good fight.

No my retarted friend.. Im pretty sure you can call exi a real winner at the end of this round. Not because exi has the best players or whatever other brilliant reason you can think of but because exi is the 'only' alliance that plays to win. I see all this contant crying and whining from so many people, when will you realise its YOU that failed, its YOU that gave up so fast, its YOU that keeps crashing value for no reason at all.

Maybe this round could have been interesting if there was another ally that had a different goal then ''trying to do the best we can'' or another good 1 "lets play for fun". Woohoo we suck but we are having so much FUN eh, we have so much fun that we dont bother playing our accounts actively. Yes lets pay money for an account to have some freekin fun. Dear jihad get over yourself
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How did exi ruin the round? A real winner wins a real fight? I doubt you can blame exi for all those other alliances not being able to give us a good fight.
And who exactly were you fighting? You hardly took on the universe on your own. Fair play you palyed great tactics and hats off to Cartman but it wasnt the most impressive victory ive ever seen, not by far.
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Unread 3 Oct 2007, 15:00   #157
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And who exactly were you fighting? You hardly took on the universe on your own. Fair play you palyed great tactics and hats off to Cartman but it wasnt the most impressive victory ive ever seen, not by far.
Ok you are totally right, just to refresh my memory though.. care to inform me wich 15 alliances we worked together with to fight "the universe". And never said we were fighting. Would be better to describe it as: Exi roided "the universe" 1 by 1 which resulted in "the universe" going inactive without trying to do something against it
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Yes lets pay money for an account to have some freekin fun. Dear jihad get over yourself
Why'd you pay for an account? Get over yourself, your ally will finish in first place and everyone knows that. There's a lot of time left in the round (over 2 weeks) so it's perfectly reasonable for exilition to be playing competitively still. If they're still launching fleets catches, doing planet targeting, or anything along those lines in the last few days however, they will be bad winners. But ruining the round (and game)? They've contributed just as much as anyone else.
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How did exi ruin the round? A real winner wins a real fight? I doubt you can blame exi for all those other alliances not being able to give us a good fight.
What on earth did you expect to happen? It's a miracle anyone is still playing this game and those of us who have tried to run alliances in recent rounds have found ourselves spending most of our time trying to keep people interested in Planetarion. The last couple rounds the alliance that has won has been the only alliance that could manage to keep a tag full of semi-active players all round, usually by recruiting well over the tag limit.

As soon as the rumors first went around that eXi was returning anyone with any sense knew there wasn't enough energy in the non-eX remaining players to challenge eXi. Anyone with any sense also knew that alot of the top remaining players would try to join eXi. It was an opportunity few expected to play really hardcore again as PA was becoming less and less active with each round.

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No my retarted friend.. Im pretty sure you can call exi a real winner at the end of this round. Not because exi has the best players or whatever other brilliant reason you can think of but because exi is the 'only' alliance that plays to win. I see all this contant crying and whining from so many people, when will you realise its YOU that failed, its YOU that gave up so fast, its YOU that keeps crashing value for no reason at all.
I really don't understand why you refuse to recognize the simple fact that eXi does have the best players and is capable of doing things other alliances aren't capable of doing because it has by far and away the most active, dedicated and skilled team.

Yes, we all failed to create an eXilition caliber alliance in a decaying planetarion where simply surviving to play another round is a struggle for alliances run by many of the same people who ran hugely successful alliances in past rounds. Obviously this is because people don't want to win and not because activity has continued sliding as it has for years in this game.

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Maybe this round could have been interesting if there was another ally that had a different goal then ''trying to do the best we can'' or another good 1 "lets play for fun". Woohoo we suck but we are having so much FUN eh, we have so much fun that we dont bother playing our accounts actively. Yes lets pay money for an account to have some freekin fun. Dear jihad get over yourself
And here I thought if an alliance wanted to win it needed a full compliment of active, dedicated, capable members and an active dedicated and capable command and officer team able to put in hours and hours of work to achieve a high level of organization.

Little did I know it was all about setting the right goals.
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Re: Congratulations Exilition

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The problem with eXi is that they ruined the round. A real winner wins a real fight. There never was a real fight. There are no winners this round. Just one alliance at the top of the ranking that is as bored as the rest of us.
It's not up to eXilition to provide a fight for themselves. What is eXilition supposed to do, organise the ****ing counter-block???
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Re: Congratulations Exilition

I spoke to ziw preround and told him exactly how the game would pan out. exi would steamroller every ounce of opposition to them because they would recruit the best players left in the game. i hate it when im right

nobody can muster any serious opposition to exi because all the players capable of it joined exilition in the first place.

I fear this is the end of the game for good for many people. its not even fun when 4 alliances cant stop the #1 alliance because even between all 4 of them they lack even 10% of the quality and dedication contained within the exilition tag.

Its a shame, ive played the game since the back end of round 1 but i guess this round was the straw that broke the camels back.

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Ok so exi has 70 players that are gods gift to pa. They still have 3 fleets each person, are you telling me the rest of those alliances (no matter how shit they are) cant find some fleets to hurt them a little tiny bit?

And zebra, exi will be good winners if they dont fc or planet target people? Might be best if they switched to galraiding then and look pretty for those last 2 weeks. Actually they shouldnt be attacking anybody anymore cause it might hurt their feelings. Lets all hug and make sweet love instead cause thats what seems to be best for this game
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Ok so exi has 70 players that are gods gift to pa. They still have 3 fleets each person, are you telling me the rest of those alliances (no matter how shit they are) cant find some fleets to hurt them a little tiny bit?
4 alliances barely scratched them...so i think so yes
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There's a lot of time left in the round (over 2 weeks) so it's perfectly reasonable for exilition to be playing competitively still. If they're still launching fleets catches, doing planet targeting, or anything along those lines in the last few days however, they will be bad winners.
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And zebra, exi will be good winners if they dont fc or planet target people? Might be best if they switched to galraiding then and look pretty for those last 2 weeks.
Do you see where maybe you've missed something? And you didn't answer why you payed for an account.
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Re: Congratulations Exilition

Since this exi thing is the hot tamale nowadays, can anyone name any good or "famous" players in it?

The people tagged exisomething on these forums, i never heard about
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That's where these guys go wrong. eXilitions advantage isn't in big names.
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Do you see where maybe you've missed something? And you didn't answer why you payed for an account.
I payed for mine and a few other accounts to play with an alliance that plays to win.
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This is where I differ from your opinion.

Just because 1up played a certain way, doesnt mean any other alliance should copy it.
Exilition pay there money like everyone else and if they want to block every alliance in the game and just hit 1:1 all round, thats there perogative.

Yes, when Exi play the games takes a backwards step and the probably should have some kind of will to give the game a chance of surviving, but if they want to play a win at all costs, even if it means pa closes cause everyone gave up then they can.
You may differ, as is your perogative, but I feel that the alliances that control DO have a responsibility to the game in some fashion. Perhaps I'm just growing soft, or have rose-tinted glasses (because I certainly wanted to build a big block and crush exilition to nothing but dust) but I really think the shakeup 1up brought was the way forward in this game.

I do not blame eXilition for their current tactics, you are correct in that they are quite valid but If I was them I'd take a step abck and wonder if such a hollow victory is really worth the cost the game is paying for it.

In reply to JBG, you missed my point but someone already highlighted it for you. 1up could have won the rounds it lost by playing in a win at all costs manner.

For Hicks - that's because it's Furgion tactics mate, and as a Fury we always wanted to be ruthless. Problem is, the game doesn't need a Fury-pretender. It needs a visionary-1up.
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How did exi ruin the round? A real winner wins a real fight? I doubt you can blame exi for all those other alliances not being able to give us a good fight.

No my retarted friend.. Im pretty sure you can call exi a real winner at the end of this round. Not because exi has the best players or whatever other brilliant reason you can think of but because exi is the 'only' alliance that plays to win. I see all this contant crying and whining from so many people, when will you realise its YOU that failed, its YOU that gave up so fast, its YOU that keeps crashing value for no reason at all.

Maybe this round could have been interesting if there was another ally that had a different goal then ''trying to do the best we can'' or another good 1 "lets play for fun". Woohoo we suck but we are having so much FUN eh, we have so much fun that we dont bother playing our accounts actively. Yes lets pay money for an account to have some freekin fun. Dear jihad get over yourself
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You may differ, as is your perogative, but I feel that the alliances that control DO have a responsibility to the game in some fashion. Perhaps I'm just growing soft, or have rose-tinted glasses (because I certainly wanted to build a big block and crush exilition to nothing but dust) but I really think the shakeup 1up brought was the way forward in this game.

I do not blame eXilition for their current tactics, you are correct in that they are quite valid but If I was them I'd take a step abck and wonder if such a hollow victory is really worth the cost the game is paying for it.

In reply to JBG, you missed my point but someone already highlighted it for you. 1up could have won the rounds it lost by playing in a win at all costs manner.

For Hicks - that's because it's Furgion tactics mate, and as a Fury we always wanted to be ruthless. Problem is, the game doesn't need a Fury-pretender. It needs a visionary-1up.
Your statement said that Exilition should of done it because 1up did it. That is incorrect. Had you said Exilition should try it because its the right thing to do because.... then I could of agreed with you.

Sid could come back WITHOUT an alliance and stop Exilition winning the round. He is one of the few people who could do so. Make it happen.

Exilition in my opinion have not won this round, its the other alilances who have lost it. Had they worked efficiently Exilition COULD of been stopped. It is them that shoudl take the blame for the way Exilition have won with ease.
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In reply to JBG, you missed my point but someone already highlighted it for you. 1up could have won the rounds it lost by playing in a win at all costs manner.
If I'd never logged off in the last five years I'd probably have won more rounds. Do you really think the game would have been much worse if you'd been slightly more ruthless in any of the rounds exi won when 1up played and gone out and found an ally or two more?
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If I'd never logged off in the last five years I'd probably have won more rounds. Do you really think the game would have been much worse if you'd been slightly more ruthless in any of the rounds exi won when 1up played and gone out and found an ally or two more?
As if like they never blocked, but as my presience tells me we'll go back to route of "oh noes, but you guys did it first and we could but counter (then leave it half way due it being for the best for the game or the..), but there was not enough allies to be found due we actually played oh so great many rounds in a row, while you bastards took a break damnit!"

ps. those who claim anything remotely decent left in the game ruins it, I so concur. In fact the game should be 110% naab friendly, meaning no above average alliances, just totally noob enviroment where noobs can fight 1 an another. While ofc all the few non-noob players being fairly shifted between all the remain noob alliances left, so that there will definately not be anything but the dice factor that settles the one, real and true winner of a round.

pps. I never wanted to play this round (thx inforza), and tbh i wouldn't call this playing anyway, for my part atleast. Good days are gone, and it sure as hell was fun at the time. Once I thought i was a true addictee, but when lookin around the ppl here I have to give it a 2nd thought. Seeing some old-schoolers crying about killing of a game THAT IS ALREADY DEAD BTW just makes a tear drop from my eye.

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If I'd never logged off in the last five years I'd probably have won more rounds. Do you really think the game would have been much worse if you'd been slightly more ruthless in any of the rounds exi won when 1up played and gone out and found an ally or two more?
In reflection, yes, it would have done nothing for the game in general, plus its a pointless thought as Sid clearly stated 1up goals and since Sid was CEO, his word was essentially law for 1up. The 1up command had already experienced winning through the age-old tactics, victory through it is not why 1up was created or run.

Honestly JBG, you're an intelligent chap, why is this concept hard to understand that you have to reply somewhat sarcastically?

Let me lay my intentions down on the mat:

a) Someone stated eXilition should play with a handicap
b) 'eXilition' camp basically laugh at this and want the competition to be better
c) I state that 1up have played with a handicap.

Not difficult to see my context and frankly with the eXilition viewpoint that the game is already dead (it may well be) and the resultant posts that support eXilition's position, then eXilition deserve this rather hollow victory.

Sorry lizardking, but your attitude is what disgusts me about eXilition - but go on fella, its YOUR game now to do as you please with. Enjoy your moment of 'glory' basking in the corpses of the enemies that were but children.

As for Forest, Sid never had the incentive to beat eXilition with Furgion era tactics. A shame perhaps, I personally am very Fury orientated in my line of thought and believe eXilition could have done with a lesson of humility but to Sid, I dont think he would have counted it as a victory. It would have been a defeat to why he even returned in the first place.

Maybe one day Sid will post on here to explain his inner thoughts on why he never built a block to deal with the eXilition threat, or maybe he'll just continue to play EVE.
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ps. those who claim anything remotely decent left in the game ruins it, I so concur. In fact the game should be 110% naab friendly, meaning no above average alliances, just totally noob enviroment where noobs can fight 1 an another. While ofc all the few non-noob players being fairly shifted between all the remain noob alliances left, so that there will definately not be anything but the dice factor that settles the one, real and true winner of a round.

pps. Seeing some old-schoolers crying about killing of a game THAT IS ALREADY DEAD BTW just makes a tear drop from my eye.
For the first ps: I never said that. But you must be insane if you thought for one second any alliance could stand up to eXilition, and frankly using politics was simply overkill. Still, a win is a win so congratulations.


For the pps part: Crying? I'm hardly upset, I just think this round was a collosal waste of time for eXilition and have boggled to why you even bothered to play it in the same fashion as before. Im even more boggled your membership seems to enjoy it, but then I could guess a few reasons. A game that is already dead doesn't need more nails in the coffin, the game was 'dead' after the FANG/Mistu/Phraktos "domination" but 1up revitalized that. The torch is passed to you now, don't just laugh and f*** off.
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We aren't talking about hurting them a little tiny bit, we are talking about defeating them. Obviously eXi can be hurt a little bit, we've all seen them roided, obviously this hasn't stopped them from running away with the lead.

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Sid did build blocks, r13 there was a counterblock. It was just cack. And how the **** did 1up play with a handicap in round 11? By recruiting all the best players and demanding an end to blocks? Or r17 when you guys raped Omen with Insomnia when you were already ahead of Omen in the rankings? How is this round any more stagnant than r14 or r12 when some of the top 1up planets never even got roided?

PA became a good game when people stepped up their activity and actually cared about the game after fury and legion ran them over. It's not going to be a good game if everybody just idles away doing dick all all day.
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Sid did build blocks, r13 there was a counterblock. It was just cack. And how the **** did 1up play with a handicap in round 11? By recruiting all the best players and demanding an end to blocks? Or r17 when you guys raped Omen with Insomnia when you were already ahead of Omen in the rankings? How is this round any more stagnant than r14 or r12 when some of the top 1up planets never even got roided?

PA became a good game when people stepped up their activity and actually cared about the game after fury and legion ran them over. It's not going to be a good game if everybody just idles away doing dick all all day.
Reallly JBG? Ask anyone from the Furgion era, 1up was not about politics at all - Sid only ever did any deals for 1up when it was a last resort when it was clear a 1up defeat would descend into a simply getting roided.

1up played with a handicap in Sid's morals and decisions on how a victory should be earnt. Lokken will happily debate r11 with you, I will not. Sid laid out his goals clearly for 1up in r11 and it proved a solus alliance could win. ((Lokken will state that the fear of opposing 1up is what led to no blocks and thus the no blocks was a total advantage to 1up, which Im not sure on what Sids response was). 1up was a favourite in r11 for sure to win, but it was not a foregone conclusion - who knew how the politics would really shape up and 1up was not simply a regurgitation of Fury - it was an anaglamation of quite a few people from different alliances.

I have to disagree with your assessment of 1up victory in the two rounds stated, I personally feel this round is far more stagnant from an outsiders perspective and from speaking with other people. I'd hesitate to say it may even top r5 at this rate, but then r5 probably wins out simply because it was Furgion.
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PA became a good game when people stepped up their activity and actually cared about the game after fury and legion ran them over. It's not going to be a good game if everybody just idles away doing dick all all day.
Or maybe the actual game itself just isn't good.
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yea yea 1up never blocked, nap'd or allied. Maybe they never attacked aswell?!

they also never wanted to defeat eXilition because sid thought if they beated eXilition it wouldnt be a win but a DEFEAT zomg

man how can you keep bragging about 1up their victories, playstyle and all that when they only won with BLOCKING, or just in simple words shitboring rouds with shit alliances(like this round)

yes maybe this round we can compare to r11, easy win and boring.

did you even play r13? or have you been in 1up at all? or just stay off the crack dude!
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Wait. Did max just ask Zhil if he's ever even been 1up? That's pretty hilarious.
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iz this just me or ar we talking about 1up here. Tbh who givs a shit abot an ally that iznt playing anymore even.
eXilition won agan dueue to that the rest of the allies are to much buzy wanking and arguiing about who iz teh biggest tosser. Quit the complaning and get together, form a massif block against eXi to show them they can be beeten.
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Wait. Did max just ask Zhil if he's ever even been 1up? That's pretty hilarious.
yes its hilarious because zhil keeps talking about fairytales that im starting to wonder if he ever knew what happened in his precious 1up.

ofcos he was some hc officer there, but he seems pretty fkin clueless
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Oh. I missed sarcasm. Fail.
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yes its hilarious because zhil keeps talking about fairytales that im starting to wonder if he ever knew what happened in his precious 1up.
Actually, I consider him to be fairly accurate on most of the important points. What 1up didn't do was pre-emptively create blocks, they did it in reaction to opposing blocks that they couldn't counter single-handedly. Round 13 is a perfect example of this.

Sid's morals did stand in the way of pre-emptively blocking, and this was a major handicap for them when fighting eXilition. eXilition got the pick of allies, I'm sorry but it's true. This doesn't take away from the military ability of eXilition, which is almost unparalleled in the current era, but it would have been interesting to see eXilition vs 1up, one on one, each with no more total members than the tag limit (i.e. no bending of the rules by either alliance). I'd argue that this never really happened.
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Dear Zhill, you really oughta cast a new topic where you can freely memorize about these lovely and "PA friendly times" you had with your 1up chaps.

And ehm.... I got an invite to eXilition this round maybe 2 weeks after gathering begun. As I didn't play the round before nor did I follow the state of PA or the would be setup of eX's memberbase. I could very well not predict or foresee how the round would play out. Hell, if they'd have listened to me there would not be eX on the board atm. No reason to play a dead game, especially when you've a clear streak behind you. I found PA more disappointing than ever, having a group of ~70 being able to dictate a round in their own will. Oh how much I once loved the game, but PaX isn't PA. To me it's just a game. Not a life, but a game. Throwin shit on any particular group over killing these remains is just silly.

The reasons of the downfall are far beneath that. One could start with Jolt and creators or just find a life if they can't get over of the moment.

You I can only find tad hilarious with this "carry the torch for us" stuff. What do you think you are... a light beacon? There must be various other things here you can do for the greater good than act like transparent hypocrit since you so genuinely act to worry about the game. If you find any worthwhile ideas jump to other part of forum since I'm sure a man of your caliber can find where suggestion section is located.

......and If you find your way there just do us all a favor and leave 1up out of it. Thx!
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Actually, I consider him to be fairly accurate on most of the important points. What 1up didn't do was pre-emptively create blocks, they did it in reaction to opposing blocks that they couldn't counter single-handedly. Round 13 is a perfect example of this.

Sid's morals did stand in the way of pre-emptively blocking, and this was a major handicap for them when fighting eXilition. eXilition got the pick of allies, I'm sorry but it's true. This doesn't take away from the military ability of eXilition, which is almost unparalleled in the current era, but it would have been interesting to see eXilition vs 1up, one on one, each with no more total members than the tag limit (i.e. no bending of the rules by either alliance). I'd argue that this never really happened.
you cant be more wrong dude

it was infact that 1up choose allies first in r13/15 , in r13 they had a whole list of top alliances on their side, in r15 they had both #2 and #3 Angels/nd.

even in that round when eXi didnt play they blocked with insomnia/nd? to fight against omen

what allies eXi choose in the past? subh? name me 1 top alliance pls.

zhil is mostly trying to make up stuff that never happened to cover his loses every time, you should know that by now.
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Actually, I consider him to be fairly accurate on most of the important points. What 1up didn't do was pre-emptively create blocks, they did it in reaction to opposing blocks that they couldn't counter single-handedly. Round 13 is a perfect example of this.
actually 1up were already blocked preround in r13 before eXi joined LCH/ToT block (hard to remember whom they were blocked with as too much time passed but i think it was ND or maybe nos/hr ).
Also that 1up block was not aimed at eXi, rather at LCH/ToT as eXi were still in shadows and not many people knew we would be playing at all and those that knew thought we would be shit alliance (f.e. bleen refusing to join eXi as he believed it will fail etc.)

on a side note, i am really disappointed with current quality of alliances playing this round (also HC quality in PA)

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it was infact that 1up choose allies first in r13/15 , in r13 they had a whole list of top alliances on their side, in r15 they had both #2 and #3 Angels/nd.
Who were the "top alliances" on 1up's side in round 13? the alliances in their block were ND, NoS and SiN iirc - SiN have always been a small alliance and shouldn't be counted and NoS were NAPed to both sides. Your alliance is also quite famous for calling ND shit, nubs etc, so I can't see any "top" alliances in that block apart from 1up.

In round 15 ND and Angels didn't help 1up at all, as far as I can remember they waited for eXi to beat 1up, Angels then joined 1up against eXi whilst ND sat on the fence at #1 and jumped in occasionally to balance the war. eXi defeated the weakened 1up and hurt Angels a little, attacked ND, Angels were still on their back, eXi gave them a weekend of heavy losses and made them pull out, leaving ND to be eaten by eXi.

I wouldn't call the 1up/Angels co-operation a block because a. Angels watched 1up fight all round and b. it lasted for a very short time.
Also it's not like eXi didn't have any allies - you had HR/Subh/Vgn(?) taking early waves before LCH and eXi went in for the roids.

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I think Round 14 was more stagnant than this, there was quite a bit of war this round, in round 14 there was war for about a week before all the alliances disintegrated, leaving ND to grow to #2 and then be battered by 1up and reunion at the end.

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iz this just me or ar we talking about 1up here. Tbh who givs a shit abot an ally that iznt playing anymore even.
eXilition won agan dueue to that the rest of the allies are to much buzy wanking and arguiing about who iz teh biggest tosser. Quit the complaning and get together, form a massif block against eXi to show them they can be beeten.
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actually 1up were already blocked preround in r13 before eXi joined LCH/ToT block (hard to remember whom they were blocked with as too much time passed but i think it was ND or maybe nos/hr ).
Also that 1up block was not aimed at eXi, rather at LCH/ToT as eXi were still in shadows and not many people knew we would be playing at all and those that knew thought we would be shit alliance (f.e. bleen refusing to join eXi as he believed it will fail etc.)

on a side note, i am really disappointed with current quality of alliances playing this round (also HC quality in PA)

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At that time eXi was rather cloaked and started the round to defeat 1up, the dominating ally that had beaten LCH and other decent allies in earlier rounds. 1up made lots of political attempts and we had for example short naps with 1up during the war, as WP and some other alliance was going ahead. This nap ended fast though as 1up grew faster than we had expected. (In other words 1up was a great ally that basicly we had to defeat to win)

The round Zhil keeps talking about reminds me a lot of this one tbh. All good players in one alliance, and that one alliance dominates politics. (Well dominates it so strongly that it has dictated that there shall be no alliance cooperation? I didnt play the round so Im not really into the details.)

What fun is there in a round where the most active alliance wins by roidracing? Sounds a bit like this round tbh. I enjoy rounds where you have to fight a decent opposition to get a win. Ie fighting 1up and their minions. Fury vs Xan. Titans/LDK vs Eclipse. Dragons vs Ministry/Ouzo. Basicly where there are politics, emotions, military skill and drive. Something this round didn`t have, and somehow doubt the first 1up round you speak so warmly of had. (In the way I enjoy planetarion)
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even in that round when eXi didnt play they blocked with insomnia/nd? to fight against omen
it was just us (inSomnia) afaik that 1up worked with although ND were hitting Omen i dont think they had any immediate cooperation with 1up. i may be wrong however, perhaps a ND HC at the time would like to clear that part up.

but we all know the events that brought such a decision on our part about, so i wont bore you with the details =)
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How is it possible that after winning round 19 as the only strong alliance in PA, eXi would return 4 rounds later and be disappointed that there were no strong alliances?

Did you really not know that during those 4 rounds more people quit PA and more players went inactive leading to an even weaker player base leading to even weaker alliances?

You should be giving credit to the people still playing for keeping this game alive long enough for eXi to get another win, not mocking them because they can't create elite alliances out of a a small inactive playerbase.
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ND/SiN. eXi started the round with all going random and first made contact with LCH trough butter/ely connections from ********, and first agreed to join forces around tick90 after intel about ND/SiN being very very 1up friendly.
I know that ND and SiN were really close at the start of the round but am not too sure about the 1up bit. We (sin) co-ordinated BPs with ND and NoS without 1up being in the picture (and this was forced upon us because HR were already telling us that we were their enemy because of apparent links with 1up). ND were then hit by LCH + co from the start and were forced to go to 1up for help.

When alliances A, B and C think that ally D is going to co-operate with E due to agreements from previous rounds, D has nobody to run to but E unless they want to be slaughtered.
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How is it possible that after winning round 19 as the only strong alliance in PA, eXi would return 4 rounds later and be disappointed that there were no strong alliances?

Did you really not know that during those 4 rounds more people quit PA and more players went inactive leading to an even weaker player base leading to even weaker alliances?

You should be giving credit to the people still playing for keeping this game alive long enough for eXi to get another win, not mocking them because they can't create elite alliances out of a a small inactive playerbase.
I f.ex. had no idea about the general average strenght left within the alliances still playing. When you take a break that long it rly is possible. I'm sure most of us didn't quite expect that either.

No offence germ, you seemed like a nice chap the round you didn't exile me out of the glx even under pressure from you know whom

You prolly also notice that it's not just eX that mocks (if you wanna call it that) about the quality of resistance that was handed against us. Seems there are disappointing faces coming from all directions here. Atleast being in the channel with these comrades of mine i can see much unhappiness about the outcome. If there's a mistake made from this side it's about overestimating the opposition. Natural human error maybe. But there's no denying that cooperation between alliances that could have and SHOULD have stopped 1 alliance totally and utterly failed, and this has nothing to do with eX being that 1337. If you can do the math, it's not hard at all to calculate the odds of an alliance chance to succeed when you have 80-90% of alliances/players NOT working with you, alliances that already know what WILL happen if they won't cooperate. They didn't and the end is inevitable.

Shame really. eX maybe took a step too many in taking precautions against all possible opposition. However not being able to predict the future is something humanity hasn't yet quite been able to achieve.

Gl for rounds to come, I certainly won't waste anymore time with this unless the old pre-pax era somehow surfaces back.
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I spoke to ziw preround and told him exactly how the game would pan out. exi would steamroller every ounce of opposition to them because they would recruit the best players left in the game. i hate it when im right
And as I said then, eXilition will lose, unless the others ****up so bad it's a shame.
Well, you are right on that eXilition (problly) will win the round now, but hell it wasn't becouse they steamrolled anyone, but becouse of the fkups of others.
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Actually, it's both. They did steamroll all the opposition, and the opposition did **** up.
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Actually, it's both. They did steamroll all the opposition, and the opposition did **** up.
Kinda true, but if it wasn't for the fk** up, it would never come to a steamroll...
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And as I said then, eXilition will lose, unless the others ****up so bad it's a shame.
Well, you are right on that eXilition (problly) will win the round now, but hell it wasn't becouse they steamrolled anyone, but becouse of the fkups of others.
eXilition had EVERYTHING going for them this round, they were by far and away the favorites to win and I guess everyone but eXilition knew it.

lizardking,

If you wanted to know how things were going in Planetarion all you had to do was ask. The odd thing about this is that some eXi members did play in the last 3 rounds and some eXi members did watch them. I can vividly remember being told how much CT and the other alliances playing those rounds sucked by eXi members on this very forum. It is not human nature to grossly misjudge the state of the game, it is a failure of gathering basic intel.

And to both of you, the idea that a coalition of less active, less-dedicated, and less organized alliances SHOULD have been able to stop you defies both reason and PA history.

Of course there is no denying that the cooperation that MIGHT have stopped 1 much stronger alliance failed. Of course it failed. Coalitions like that have rarely ever worked in PA. How could you possibly think it was likely to work this round?

Meanwhile throughout PA history small groups of elite players have again and again beaten masses of less organized players, 80-90% of the PA community not being with you means absolutely nothing. What matters is the quality of those players and how well organized they are.

The percentage of quality players and able organizers who are not in eXilition is MUCH smaller than 80-90% and another big chunk of them are in VS. Before this round even started quality players voted with their feet that eXi was going to win this round. People who wanted to be in the winning alliance applied to eXi, people who wanted to focus on their planet ranks went to VS. The rest of us, having pretty much nothing to work with, went somewhere with friends to weather the storm which produced a bunch of weak alliances rather than one strong force of the remaining quality players. Many of these alliances had enough of a challenge ahead of them just trying to stay together and function.

The odds that these weak alliances containing the remaining quality players that did not go to eX or VS was going to form a lasting coalition capable of warring with an alliance that has never lost a round in its entire PA history was rather obviously slim.
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Germ if you say the game is shit then why do you even play it?
How saddenin it is to see how little faith you have in yourselves.
eX aren't superhumans, but if the rest of PA community think so then all hope is lost in the begin with I guess.

I therefore propose a masterplan for r24
howabout if eX declares war against every player, has it's members with a blindfold on AND starts ~ midround.
Fair enough?









Oh wait... the bash limit :S
And oh noes eX wins again with mass XP.

The legend goes on.

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you cant be more wrong dude

it was infact that 1up choose allies first in r13/15 , in r13 they had a whole list of top alliances on their side, in r15 they had both #2 and #3 Angels/nd.

even in that round when eXi didnt play they blocked with insomnia/nd? to fight against omen

what allies eXi choose in the past? subh? name me 1 top alliance pls.

zhil is mostly trying to make up stuff that never happened to cover his loses every time, you should know that by now.
I categorically refute your claim that 1up pre-picked allies in r13/r15 or indeed any round.

You like to think 1up lied but Sid never did, that's why Sid was such a great leader to work with because he laid it out for you. Sid never once lied to people.

I'm not 'covering' my losses at all, the debate was that 1up HAS played with an handicap. Opinion can come into it on whether it was much of a handicap or not.

I don't make stuff up, I never have done. Ask any AD regular and you'll find that whilst I am zealous to my alliance, I never openly lie - I take after Sid in that regard.

And why am I so adamant? Because I wanted nothing more than to build a block and rub your face in the dirt till it hurt. I wanted nothing more than to selfishly annhilate eXilition with a massive block regardless of morals or ethics or how it would affect the game. I believe mazz also felt the same way at times, but thats where the CEO part of our leadership came in.

Sid never once caved to the pressure, he said a victory like that was not remotely enjoyable. Sid was boss, you had to be in 1up command t o understand how our leadership worked. Sid was law, simple as.

To be frank: The fact you can't even get my rank in 1up right or even know my history and links to the rest of 1up leadership is only more proof to my point that your claims about knowing 1up to be false.

furball is correct, and he already confirmed proof for you in how me + him had an interesting discussion regarding 1up's lack of politics when compared to eXilition.
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