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Unread 1 May 2010, 22:35   #1
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Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

as it says on the thread title...

I for one am well chuffed at the return of single targetting - might even the field again and make r37 fun fun fun
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

[23:36:47] * @Wishmaster slaps Appocomaster around a bit with a large trout
[23:36:49] <@Wishmaster> **** you
[23:36:57] <@Wishmaster> single target
[23:37:24] <@alan2> ?
[23:37:46] <@Wishmaster> Stats
[23:37:46] <@Wishmaster> Next round's ship statistics will be based on single targetting and two pod classes for all races.
[23:38:03] <@Wishmaster> = Wishmaster wont play
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[23:38:13] <ATRO> another round off for me then, means you lot have a chance
[23:38:17] <@Wishmaster> ^^
[23:38:20] <@Pommeh> i'm not playing either!


Spose I have to scan / defhoe since I have already told alot of people I will play. But ye, this makes sure I wont be playing properly next round.

**** you appoco. Just fu :/
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

Oh no! Wishmaster won't play next round! Whatever shall we do!
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

have u ever ( last 10-15 rounds ) ever played planetarion properly mz?

You and the other idiots who play pa casually ( login once a day? )might like this. Active players dont like ST though. Only nubs and people who are not really playing anymore.

so stfu
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

I got top 10 in round 28, though what that has to do with anything is beyond me.
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Unread 1 May 2010, 23:29   #6
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

i dont think anyone cares if u dont play Wishmaster - seeing as it only u and your minions who seem to detest single targetting im sure we'll cope without u
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

Cant say im too keen on single targetting either.
Dunno at this point if it will stop me playing.
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i dont think anyone cares if u dont play Wishmaster - seeing as it only u and your minions who seem to detest single targetting im sure we'll cope without u
who the **** are you?
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

I personally love single-targetting. I happen to know Benneh (who won last round) also is pro!

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Ooooo. we really need a chan for us round winners, so that the important people can discuss things!

**** the alliance chans tbh
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

Whishmaster, you are just an utter idiot! Sorry to say that, honestly. But why on earth do you think that people using 3 ships plus pods, relying on ally def, fence, friends..... are the greatest playing PA, while people, having a round of single-targetting, being able to roid you are just noobs?
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your post, mister, makes no sense.

try again?
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I enjoy the variety
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

If the stats are attack oriented I welcome them, single targeting or no. Defensive oriented stats only help def wh0res and make the round boring.
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I personally love single-targetting. I happen to know Benneh (who won last round) also is pro!

ST: 2 round winners - MT: 1 round winner.
I don't like ST, don't think eksero does either.

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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

Can i ask out of intrest why all the regarded 1337 players seem to hate single targetting?

Last time we had a single targetting round Wishmaster said the main reason was because he couldnt self cover himself and be immune. But surely thats a good reason to have single targetting - it means you have to have a good alliance to back you up and that you have to think more about your fleet build strategy making the game less boring and more based around a community of people protecting each other.


If im wrong please correct me im just intrested what the reasons for the hate are apart from selfish ones
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

I don't enjoy Single Targetting and won't play R37, but it's ok, if MT is back for r38 and you keep switching them every round, so everybody can have his fun.
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

In my case its simple, last round was appalling for me in terms of having to be constantly awake in the middle if the night because i was constantly under attack in turn because it wasnt possible to build a defensive fleet.
Single targetting just takes the effort criterion for doing well in planetarion way out of my reach.
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

well ST or MT isnt the problem the r36 shitty stats is. and as usual they dosnt tweak the stats a bit here and there, they flush em down and do a new set that suck in a compleatly new way. but hey its the trademark of pa.
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well ST or MT isnt the problem the r36 shitty stats is. and as usual they dosnt tweak the stats a bit here and there, they flush em down and do a new set that suck in a compleatly new way. but hey its the trademark of pa.
I didn't think I'd ever say this, but I agree with robban.
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In my case its simple, last round was appalling for me in terms of having to be constantly awake in the middle if the night because i was constantly under attack in turn because it wasnt possible to build a defensive fleet.
Single targetting just takes the effort criterion for doing well in planetarion way out of my reach.
Thats the main reason i like single targetting stats, as it evens the field. To finish top, you actually have to put in alot of effort as even if your #1, you will still have major holes in your fleet allowing two average players to hit you and land on you if you dont get defence.
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

i really hope pa team doesn't go with ST. i remember the previous ST rnd sucked.. and i personally am not a fan of it either...
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

Im all for single targeting, but only if the changes proposed about salvage is implemented. In a single targeting round, each race has holes that makes it virtually impossible to selfcover. In order to kill 100%, one would often have to put in 2-3 times the defending value, which gave huge valuelosses to the defender. Single targeting as it is now only favors inactives without roids/value
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so all i get so far is that ppl who object to ST are the ones who want to put the minimum amount of effort into finishing as high as possible is that correct?

PS. Cheers HanZi for actually putting a constructive reason why ST isnt as good as MT
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so all i get so far is that ppl who object to ST are the ones who want to put the minimum amount of effort into finishing as high as possible is that correct?

PS. Cheers HanZi for actually putting a constructive reason why ST isnt as good as MT
Actually, the problem high value/roids players have with single targeting is that a 500k planet can launch on a 5mill planet and inflict considerable damage to the bigger planet. Thanks to XP, you will also need to kill 100% of the attacking fleet, or it will land for a hilarious scoregain. Even if you do kill 100%, you will lose a lot of value. The small planets attackships will shoot first, inflicting a lot of damage. Because of the bigger players large value, salvage is poor, and you have to choose between staying to save your roids, or take a large valueloss. lose/lose for the big planet.

A small planet can exploit this, making the big planet choose between value or roids. No need to say, it sucks to be high up because you need to be on 24/7 to get defense against every inc, even from small inactives trying to land for XP.
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I am pro single-targetting returning! XP play is always fun to do during the summer!
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HanZi surely thats a good thing tho - the best player wins - the one who gets the most defence and is the most dedicated aswell as with a slice of luck
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well ST or MT isnt the problem the r36 shitty stats is. and as usual they dosnt tweak the stats a bit here and there, they flush em down and do a new set that suck in a compleatly new way. but hey its the trademark of pa.
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so all i get so far is that ppl who object to ST are the ones who want to put the minimum amount of effort into finishing as high as possible is that correct?
Well I never!
Why would anyone want that?
but anyway thats not quite it. I prefer playing defensivly I dont care if i dont land for a week if im holding onto my roids and not spending 6 hours in the early morning trying to defend them. I 'm on course to finish this round in a similar position to last round but with less than half the middle of the night stress, though with far more nervy calcs mid morning. Its all about how defensive MT balances with my life better than offensive ST, I put the same hours in, but at different times of day.
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

This round has utterly blown. I've been on irc a lot, i've been talking and chatting and trying to find targets to attack, but wherever I've gone there has been oodles of def and most of my landings have been massive teamups. I was a huge supporter of def oriented rounds before but I've simply changed my mind about it. We need to have attack oriented stats instead of the pile of manure this round.

The round winner has mainly been decided of who can get the most def, nothing more. And that bores me to death.
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The round winner has mainly been decided of who can get the most def, nothing more. And that bores me to death.
ST does not change that. Quite the contrary, because you cant cover yourself so well you are more reliant on getting good external defence.
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

As long as every race has a couple of ships that makes them 'immune' to certain classes of incs I don't see the problem of single-targetting.
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ST does not change that. Quite the contrary, because you cant cover yourself so well you are more reliant on getting good external defence.
On the other hand, it often takes only 1-2 fleets to cover most ST incs. While it MT it can take anywhere between 5 to 15 simply because the teamups have to be stupidly big.
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You and the other idiots who play pa casually ( login once a day? )might like this. Active players dont like ST though. Only nubs and people who are not really playing anymore.
Multi targeting is good for you and the other idiots who are incapable of counting to more than three. You don't have to worry about balance since your attack is your defence, so you can just put all your resources in attack.
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While it MT it can take anywhere between 5 to 15 simply because the teamups have to be stupidly big.
Is it not the other way round, teamups are stupidly big because they know a couple of fleets covers a smaller one?
By allowing, in some circumstances, zero loss defence ST prevents this attacker inflation because there is no point in a dozen attackers if one defender can still do equal amounts of damage.

I would advocate a halfway house where there are ST ships and dual or even triple target ships but the latter are less efficient than the ST ships by a fair amount, by a third or even half. This would result in the balance favouring the attacking ST ships significantly while still allowing defensive players to in some way cover all the bases. I fear it would be horrendously difficult to make a balanced stats set for it though.
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Yes, I have also wanted to have that for some time. Some ships having 1 target and a few having 2-3 targets but quite a bit of lower effeciency.
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Good to see a bit of variety. Pro change.
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I don't mind single targeting, and some people like it more then multiple targeting. Only fair that it comes back now and again
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

Though I do prefer MT, I don't mind them changing it up every few rounds, it's what keeps it interesting. Same stats and set ups over and over would get boring fast. And I would still like to see a full random round at some point.
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Little fags with no balls want no ST, im looking at you wishy boy. ST will be nice to see as alliances with less members will still do fine vs member fat alliances. Its going to be more about the activity of ones self and friends(alliance mates). Which means active players will do well and the lucky idiots who are usually inactive but survive the round will find it tough
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I dont think u understand how ST vs MT works demort.

Nubs with little activity are the ones who gain on ST. Active players can now be roided by smal tiny idiots who mass 1 ship.

Oh yay, thats fun!!!
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Nubs with little activity are the ones who gain on ST. Active players can now be roided by smal tiny idiots who mass 1 ship.
Almost makes me join for a summer round....
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Why not ST + free fire as T2 ? I'd love that!
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Nubs with little activity are the ones who gain on ST. Active players can now be roided by smal tiny idiots who mass 1 ship.

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Now we have people who are active that just mass 3 (or 4) ships only and are immune to almost everybody below their value!
All you need at the moment is gathering as many ppl as possible and launch. Who cares about targets ships or even stats at all.
And yes, i am one of those nubs with little activity! And i want to have some fun and competition! Just as more than 50% of the playerbase is......... nub and hardly active.......
If we have ST and noobs that are able to roid those actives, they got a big hole in their fleet and are open to incs for everyody and their moms.

What is wrong with that?
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!

Dunkel, its like in any RPG. A lvl 10 cant kill a lvl 80 or whatever.

It just shouldnt be possible for someone 1/10 of someones value to roid him if he has built a proper fleet.
And seriously, who the **** are those who build 3-4 ships? FR/DE fortress is fking dull and I ve said before that it shouldnt be possible to cover only with 1 class. GET A NEW ARGUMENT.

WTF is the problem with being "immune" vs people alot smaller than you? Do u think its fantastically fun to roid same race all round, cause they have a MASSIVE hole against ur race? I dont think thats fun. If u wanna just send 1 ship at someone all round, and find that entertaining, then **** you, go ahead and have ur fun. I wont be playing such rounds however.
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wishmaster sounds like someone has taken his sweeties

I don't mind mixing it up like this, and I really like the idea someone had about tweaking past stats and using them for a new round - the R30 stat set was pretty awesome and I seem to remember there being a discussion mid-late round about tweaks that would have made them even more balanced.
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Little fags with no balls want no ST, im looking at you wishy boy. ST will be nice to see as alliances with less members will still do fine vs member fat alliances. Its going to be more about the activity of ones self and friends(alliance mates). Which means active players will do well and the lucky idiots who are usually inactive but survive the round will find it tough
The smaller alliances looks pretty farmed.


In single targeting, we also had the advantage of covering incs with 1 fleet from a different race. This makes it really hard for inactives to actually land anything on large alliances, but it sure makes it easier to land on eachother!
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