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Unread 19 Jan 2010, 01:45   #51
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Re: round 35 politics

Shame theres not going to be a war this round, we've these awesome stats
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So err...

Who's hitting who atm? Who's friendly with who?
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Re: round 35 politics

Ascendancy is dominating the top 10

Is it time for a block?
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Who's hitting who atm? Who's friendly with who?
DLR+Euphoria hitting Apprime. Apprime hitting Euphoria. It's all gal raiding heavy gals and shit though so it's not exactly intense.
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Unread 19 Jan 2010, 14:35   #56
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Re: round 35 politics

bah politics
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Re: round 35 politics

Without politics this game would be less interesting than a one man game of bridge.
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Unread 19 Jan 2010, 15:17   #58
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Re: round 35 politics

"I win!"
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Re: round 35 politics

im disappointed in the staggeringly low level of bitching exhibited in this thread :/

does this mean people are so disenchanted with the game they are unable to hold a public slanging match anymore?
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Unread 20 Jan 2010, 19:13   #60
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No it means this round is over. gg.
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No it means this round is over. gg.
and who's fault is that?
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Unread 20 Jan 2010, 19:34   #62
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Re: round 35 politics

Everyone's but mine.
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Unread 21 Jan 2010, 02:25   #63
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Re: round 35 politics

How dare you absolve yourself of responsibility, bastard =/
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Re: round 35 politics

Worst. Round. Ever.
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DLR+Euphoria hitting Apprime. Apprime hitting Euphoria. It's all gal raiding heavy gals and shit though so it's not exactly intense.
So what's CT's doing ? a remake of their famous chicken dance... again ?
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Worst. Round. Ever.
it certainly has been one of the most uninteresting rounds in a while.

i wonder if CT will grow a spine for a change and use 2010 to turn over a new leaf...perhaps this will necessitate a change in command to a HC team who have some balls?
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i wonder if CT will grow a spine for a change and use 2010 to turn over a new leaf...perhaps this will necessitate a change in command to a HC team who have some balls?
Some alliances are built for war (App and Asc) and some to avoid it; CT is very clearly in the latter category. Having built up such a reputation for rounds I presume its membership expects such a policy thus a coup to install more belligerent HC's seems very unlikely. Simply put CT HC reflects its members.
Even if not, they would get trashed in fairly short order without significant help.
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did the mighty Euphoria get owned?
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Re: round 35 politics

so why is this round so boring if there's an ongoing war?
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I heard a rumour that rnd 34 was starting again tonight???
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Re: round 35 politics

Planetarion must be the only game where you're a coward if you don't join in an attack on an outnumbered opponent. Personally I think this round's boring because it looks like a repeat of so many rounds we've seen recently. I don't know about anyone else but if the most interesting question a round can pose is "can a big enough block form in time to save their top planets?" it's not exactly looking awesome. Hopefully next round no alliance that's miles better than the rest will actually play and something vaguely novel can happen on the political scene. Or, more likely than not, everyone can gal raid all round.
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Planetarion must be the only game where you're a coward if you don't join in an attack on an outnumbered opponent. Personally I think this round's boring because it looks like a repeat of so many rounds we've seen recently. I don't know about anyone else but if the most interesting question a round can pose is "can a big enough block form in time to save their top planets?" it's not exactly looking awesome. Hopefully next round no alliance that's miles better than the rest will actually play and something vaguely novel can happen on the political scene. Or, more likely than not, everyone can gal raid all round.
The universe sat back and let you and euphoria fight it out. That did not go according to plan (probably because of the odds being stacked against euph initially with the release of their coords on pawiki) as they had significant roid loss over the length of the 'war' compared to app's losses....this led to you guys opening up an 8 million score lead on the closest alliance by tick 300

what is more boring, that the universe gangs up on you, or that we all sit back and let you crush the other alliances one by one? (lets face it, the other alliances are understrength compared to App at present)
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(lets face it, the other alliances are understrength compared to App at present)
Not a Dig Mek but who's fault is this should we be blamed for this and have the alliances recreate rnd 34 or maybe there is some other direction that can be taken ?
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or that we all sit back and let you crush the other alliances one by one?
You manage that pretty well on your own by crashing for roids
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and what direction would you recommend is taken?

if you were HC's of the alliances in direct opposition to App at the moment what would you do differently than what is being done now??
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The universe sat back and let you and euphoria fight it out. That did not go according to plan (probably because of the odds being stacked against euph initially with the release of their coords on pawiki) as they had significant roid loss over the length of the 'war' compared to app's losses....this led to you guys opening up an 8 million score lead on the closest alliance by tick 300

what is more boring, that the universe gangs up on you, or that we all sit back and let you crush the other alliances one by one? (lets face it, the other alliances are understrength compared to App at present)
Apprime are quite clearly better than Euphoria, so I don't see why you should sit back and let Apprime stroll to victory, as if they're gone, you all are. The best (and most interesting) way to approach this one was to unite and level Apprime in the first 500 to 600 ticks, see what you can do about Euphoria if you aren't either App or Euphoria and take it from there.

So I'd think about my position rather than worrying about whether alliance X or Y was doing great out of it. Instead, you exposed Euphoria to Apprime, and Apprime are just left unchecked to pick people off as they please. And you know, alliances with a political plan to win usually make it more interesting.
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Well im not sure tbh but trying to gangbang and xp whore the way to a win will not work time and time again this has been tried and failed. Ok other than the well over due noobness between tek and matas today euph and dlr will have lost more in value than they will have walked away with giving us more and more.
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Well im not sure tbh but trying to gangbang and xp whore the way to a win will not work time and time again this has been tried and failed. Ok other than the well over due noobness between tek and matas today euph and dlr will have lost more in value than they will have walked away with giving us more and more.
so you want us to do something different, but you don't know what you want us to do....come on firebird, you are better than this m8

and to lokken....

whatever we do, we cannot win with the forum community.

if we block from the start, you whine that we have blocked from the start and people should be allowed to fight one on one
if we don't block from the start, let you fight one on one...you state we should have blocked from the start...
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Well im not sure tbh but trying to gangbang and xp whore the way to a win will not work time and time again this has been tried and failed. Ok other than the well over due noobness between tek and matas today euph and dlr will have lost more in value than they will have walked away with giving us more and more.
This is nothing about XP. This is very much about value and crippling Apprime's income, as that's where their main danger comes from. Meanwhile, you're gaining more value.

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so you want us to do something different, but you don't know what you want us to do....come on firebird, you are better than this m8

and to lokken....

whatever we do, we cannot win with the forum community.

if we block from the start, you whine that we have blocked from the start and people should be allowed to fight one on one
if we don't block from the start, let you fight one on one...you state we should have blocked from the start...
Stop being soft. If you've got a plan and you execute it well regardless of what people say about it at the time, why should you care about what anyone says? Get results and no one can say shit.
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and what direction would you recommend is taken?

if you were HC's of the alliances in direct opposition to App at the moment what would you do differently than what is being done now??
Improve

Blocking up means the chosen tactics(if any) was shit and failed. Perhaps try to adapt to a situation and think something out instead of scanning some planets and throw it out to the masses and say "here attack and do your best"

You are fighting an alliance that put effort into thinking strategically every step on the way, both when it comes to attacking and defending. If the socalled "HCs" you talk about is not doing this then they should scan instead and leave the responsibility to someone with more creativity then the average bear
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This must be about xp as all that is happening is mass crashings for roids there is no 2 ways about it.
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Improve

Blocking up means the chosen tactics(if any) was shit and failed. Perhaps try to adapt to a situation and think something out instead of scanning some planets and throw it out to the masses and say "here attack and do your best"

You are fighting an alliance that put effort into thinking strategically every step on the way, both when it comes to attacking and defending.
This is not necessary to the degree you pretend. Ultimately you can be a really good alliance but if there are numbers against you (particularly early on) it doesn't matter for shit. Quite like the idea of Apprime thinking strategically though.

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This must be about xp as all that is happening is mass crashings for roids there is no 2 ways about it.
My point is that it's far too late and strategies should have focused very much on value from the outset.
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What i mean is that an alliance can improve themselves and make strategies to take down their enemy. If they do this then it might not be necessary to block up. In my eyes alliances who needs a block to back them up has already failed and is just trying to repair damage already done
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The universe sat back and let you and euphoria fight it out. That did not go according to plan (probably because of the odds being stacked against euph initially with the release of their coords on pawiki)
If anyone seriously thinks that had a major impact beyond "made euphoria's hilarious security precautions look utterly retarded" they're fairly deluded.

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I'd end the round now personally. It makes me feel ill how shit everyone seems to be though. Seven of the eight rounds preceding this have seen the existence of a massive block against the perceived #1 alliance. In every single one of these the alliance being blocked* against has won anyways.

AND THE BEST IDEA EVERYONE HAS THIS ROUND IS TO TRY AND DO THE EXACT SAME THING AGAIN?




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The game is stagnant. The player base is divided into several virtually unchanging groups and nobody cares enough about the game or the winners to change anything. It's not really surprising we get the same result round after round is it?
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The game is stagnant. The player base is divided into several virtually unchanging groups and nobody cares enough about the game or the winners to change anything. It's not really surprising we get the same result round after round is it?
Improve and improve more. Getting tools like munin and ldk has improven other alliances, but so far it seems that they are restricting access yet again.
Make everyone a battlecommander in your respective alliances and force your allies to do so.
Don't settle for second best (like Ascendancy did last round). Trust your members, kick them when they fail. Set examples. Lead by example, not by telling. Play for your alliance, not for your planetrank, as that always fails in the end.
Get a plan, stick to it. Go for value, go for kill ships. Go for flexibility. Focus your powers. Do not go for hugships. Don't land for xp. Land killwaves sometimes where you lose 500k and they lose 1 mill after salvage. Focus your attacks, do not newbie bash. Don't make enemies you do not want to deal with (Asc cath fi this round anyone?)
Play competent, play against your enemy.

If you do all this, then we can start about how to play politics (which frankly I know little about)
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The game is stagnant. The player base is divided into several virtually unchanging groups and nobody cares enough about the game or the winners to change anything. It's not really surprising we get the same result round after round is it?
Horseshit. The game has pretty much always been divided into certain groups. And if you care enough to block how is it that you don't care enough to do something, anything, else? The amazing thing is it's not even that difficult to change things to the extent that the round would look a bit different from the same shit, different day affair we've had going on recently.


I must admit I do sort of hope the apprime/ascendancy thing fades away. Although I definitely think it improved pa for a while it's beginning to look in danger of becoming painfully shit.
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Re: round 35 politics

How does blocking take any considerable effort? It's a case of saying to some other ally (or 2 or 3) "hey they're getting dominant, lets hit them" and them saying "sure". It's not taxing stuff for the common member is it and lets face it that's the problem. If people don't want to wake up to send defence regularly or don't care enough to make sure they're around to JGP and calc their attacks then what can you do? Kick them I suppose but at the end of the day it's a game that we play for (limited) entertainment but these days mostly for the community in which we play.

Sure everyone loves to win but a lot of players just don't care enough to put the effort in that's necessary to run a top planet in a competitive alliance. Similarly I don't care enough to argue on here if you're just going to rant on vaguely about the never ending simple strategies we continue to ignore in this vastly in depth game.
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You manage that pretty well on your own by crashing for roids
Where's ya drakes gone?

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Well im not sure tbh but trying to gangbang and xp whore the way to a win will not work time and time again this has been tried and failed. Ok other than the well over due noobness between tek and matas today euph and dlr will have lost more in value than they will have walked away with giving us more and more.
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Improve

Blocking up means the chosen tactics(if any) was shit and failed. Perhaps try to adapt to a situation and think something out instead of scanning some planets and throw it out to the masses and say "here attack and do your best"

You are fighting an alliance that put effort into thinking strategically every step on the way, both when it comes to attacking and defending. If the socalled "HCs" you talk about is not doing this then they should scan instead and leave the responsibility to someone with more creativity then the average bear
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Hmm ... Thats certainly one way to improve
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Where's ya drakes gone?
Heh, back into prod perhaps? There is such a thing as salvage you know.
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Heh, back into prod perhaps? There is such a thing as salvage you know.
Safe to say the Salvage doesn't cover it.
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Ship Order (delivery in tick 384 at 20:00)
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Safe to say the Salvage doesn't cover it.
It's not odd that fail alliances keep crashing when you cant even calculate simple math. I mean, ****, the planetarion bcalc even shows you how much salvage the defence gets and still you cant figure it out.


Dude what is 2k drakes and 889 cents compared to the 200k+ value attackers lost?
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It's not odd that fail alliances keep crashing when you cant even calculate simple math. I mean, ****, the planetarion bcalc even shows you how much salvage the defence gets and still you cant figure it out.


Dude what is 2k drakes and 889 cents compared to the 200k+ value attackers lost?

You forgotten about your roid loss?
Just a question if you can get them back or have to resort to using a farm.
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Think the answer ure looking for is no speak to that nice cat and thank him for me but im not here to bitch about this i just really would rather know is their really no other way the other alliances can improve there is no way app has all the best players there are plenty more of you out there so maybe put ure heads together and think of a plan of action.
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Im sat here trying to type a reply to your idiocy, yet the words just cant come to mind.
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Re: round 35 politics

Hahaha, Paisley you're so deluded it's hilarious!

On topicish: other than Asc (and now App) creating fortress galaxies, when was the last time an alliance actually had a proper tactical plan going into the round, other than simply trying to be the best alliance? Usually I think politics are a great part of PA, the metagame is what makes PA so different to games like Travian etc, but when we go into a round with one alliance that is clearly better, there's not much else you can do with politics other than to form a massive block to take them out, and this repetitiveness is starting to get boring! Alliances need to get better (unlikely), or start thinking of some proper tactics. That said, there's not that much choice left in the game play because PATeam continues to limit options. Sigh.
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