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Unread 20 Mar 2003, 14:00   #1
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Have you read the UN Resolutions?
Just out of interest, how many people here have actually read resolutions 661, 678, 687 and 1441? I have come across a startling number of people who go on about these documents, who have never actually laid eyes on them.
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Re: Have you read the UN Resolutions?
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Just out of interest, how many people here have actually read resolutions 661, 678, 687 and 1441? I have come across a startling number of people who go on about these documents, who have never actually laid eyes on them.
678 and 1441 yes, no to the others. Oh, and 660 but you failed to mention that one.
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I have never had the pleasure
Where could I get a copy? And are they 10 million pages each?
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I have never had the pleasure
Where could I get a copy? And are they 10 million pages each?
google, and they are pretty short. I suggest reading them in chronological order though. the way the very existance of 1441 shows a clear violation of 678 and 687 is rather nice though.
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I have never had the pleasure
Where could I get a copy? And are they 10 million pages each?
http://www.un.org/documents/scres.htm

Most are not very long.
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google, and they are pretty short. I suggest reading them in chronological order though. the way the very existance of 1441 shows a clear violation of 678 and 687 is rather nice though.
Iraq is not in breach of resolution 678 in any way and I challenge you to demonstrate otherwise.
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Iraq is not in breach of resolution 678 in any way and I challenge you to demonstrate otherwise.
1441 acknowledges right at the beginning of the document:


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Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area,

Further recalling that its resolution 687 (1991) imposed obligations on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of restoring international peace and security in the area,

Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,

Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites designated by the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), failed to cooperate fully and unconditionally with UNSCOM and IAEA weapons inspectors, as required by resolution 687 (1991), and ultimately ceased all cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA in 1998,
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oops, sorry yeap, 678... I keep getting lost because of the numbers looking so similar :P

breach of 687 though, is what I meant.
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Recalling, and reaffirming its resolutions 660 (1990) of 2 August (1990), 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 662 (1990) of 9 August 1990, 664 (1990) of 18 August 1990, 665 (1990) of 25 August 1990, 666 (1990) of 13 September 1990, 667 (1990) of 16 September 1990, 669 (1990) of 24 September 1990, 670 (1990) of 25 September 1990, 674 (1990) of of 29 October 1990 and 677 (1990) of 28 November 1990.

Noting that, despite all efforts by the United Nations, Iraq refuses to comply with its obligation to implement resolution 660 (1990) and the above-mentioned subsequent relevant resolutions, in flagrant contempt of the Security Council,
678 applies only to 660, 661, and 662. Iraq being in breach on 687 has no bearing on 678.

[edit]Ok, I can understand how you'd mix 678 and 687 up I think I've made my point though, the only UN resolution authorising force to be used against Iraq is fully complied with.[/edit]
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I read 1441 and 678. Parts of others.
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"Decides to remain seized of the matter" is my personal favorite UNSC phrase.

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No, I haven't read it as I don't care what they say.

Doing so what probably presume I care about bourgeois international law. If I have to write a paper on them then maybe, but otherwise...
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No, I haven't read it as I don't care what they say.

Doing so what probably presume I care about bourgeois international law. If I have to write a paper on them then maybe, but otherwise...
Without reading them, it is difficult, if not impossible to comment on the legitimacy or otherwise of the action being taken by the US lead coalition.
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Without reading them, it is difficult, if not impossible to comment on the legitimacy or otherwise of the action being taken by the US lead coalition.
The UN (in my eyes) is not a legitimate body. The US and UK states are not legitimate. The paperwork these bodies may or may not produce justifying their actions is of no real interest tp me on the issue on whether they are actly justly or not.

So that kinda takes care of that one, hmmm?
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aye, ive read it, my dad got a copy from a friend and is always banging on about the fact that if you read it you will realise that war is justified, whereas i suggest that since so many countries in the world are in breach of un resolutions does that mean we have to go to war with each and every one of them? the contents of 1441 arent of any particular relevance IMO.
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The UN (in my eyes) is not a legitimate body. The US and UK states are not legitimate. The paperwork these bodies may or may not produce justifying their actions is of no real interest tp me on the issue on whether they are actly justly or not.

So that kinda takes care of that one, hmmm?
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you are crazy
How so? Do you believe the state is legitimate? The UN?

p.s. You have a "Blame-the-Frence" link in your sig. I'm sure it's hilariously irreverent but I wouldn't be throwing around the term "crazy" if I were you.
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