Iliad vs Wrath vs sn0w

[Hicks]

Originally posted by K-W
At the very end of the round after Legion announced it would be disbanding after the round, many legion members launched attacks on the Fury/Legion/Titans galaxy M&S (which I happened to be in) in order to try and get a galaxy that would tag Legion first into the top of the ranking. Grendel told us basically that legion were not supposed to attack us, but that since it was disbanding he really had no way to stop them. Thus Legion attacked Fury, and also attacked a Legion gal, which in a sense was a greater breach of loyalty I suppose.

That really was a sad day for Legion, the day Legion lost both it's honour and it's loyalty, it epitomised how the once great alliance had fallen.

M&S had always been a proud Legion galaxy, we held two Round 2 Legion members who were still Legion in Round 7, a Legion community Executive not to mention two of Legions three Top 10 players (Both of whom resigned from Legion), all of them had hostile Legion and ViruS ships attacking them.

I guess rounds of poor recruitment came back to bite Legion as Grendel who to many myself included was Legion incarnate was ordering them not to launch but all the muppets who joined in Round 6 (Including everyones best mate, Sn0w who was as I recall involved in planning the attack and was attacking my planet) refused to listen.

At the end of the day it failed to make any impact on the outcome of the round but it was a poor gesture.

Originally posted by Hicks
That really was a sad day for Legion, the day Legion lost both it's honour and it's loyalty, it epitomised how the once great alliance had fallen.

M&S had always been a proud Legion galaxy, we held two Round 2 Legion members who were still Legion in Round 7, a Legion community Executive not to mention two of Legions three Top 10 players (Both of whom resigned from Legion), all of them had hostile Legion and ViruS ships attacking them.

I guess rounds of poor recruitment came back to bite Legion as Grendel who to many myself included was Legion incarnate was ordering them not to launch but all the muppets who joined in Round 6 (Including everyones best mate, Sn0w who was as I recall involved in planning the attack and was attacking my planet) refused to listen.

At the end of the day it failed to make any impact on the outcome of the round but it was a poor gesture.

erm... let me think
M&S GAL
..... oh yeah!!!! i attacked with u guys sometimes
1) u all attacked 3 times a day (so much for team playing and defence)
2) u all multied
3) u took morden into ur gal from 20:something
*can prove this as i know 'summy' personally irl (your GC r7)*
i go clubbing with the guy, even went to a 'radio 1' event in ipswich park and meet up with TiG while members of ur gal checked that he was ok to land his fleet. u would also launch each others fleets.

so less of the rubbish bout legion losing its honour, esp as fury repeatedly hit legion/iliad planets then refused the retals on their planets (i have oh so many scans/logs on ma pc at home to prove this)

so plz enough of this righteous rubbish. u didnt win cos u cheated and were caught, nuff said.

[Hicks]

Originally posted by Killerbee
erm... let me think
M&S GAL
..... oh yeah!!!! i attacked with u guys sometimes
1) u all attacked 3 times a day (so much for team playing and defence)
2) u all multied
3) u took morden into ur gal from 20:something
*can prove this as i know 'summy' personally irl (your GC r7)*
i go clubbing with the guy, even went to a 'radio 1' event in ipswich park and meet up with TiG while members of ur gal checked that he was ok to land his fleet. u would also launch each others fleets.

so less of the rubbish bout legion losing its honour, esp as fury repeatedly hit legion/iliad planets then refused the retals on their planets (i have oh so many scans/logs on ma pc at home to prove this)

so plz enough of this righteous rubbish. u didnt win cos u cheated and were caught, nuff said.

1) It was rare I ever had fleet slots at home, most of the time they were out attacking but I know myself and our Fury members did their share of defending. The only time we really let Fury down was when we failed to send an adequate number of fleets to help 23:23, something I still feel bad about. I've always thought that the best defence is a good offence, no matter what galaxy I'm in I'd rather see them all out attacking than out defending. My galaxy did our bit, perhaps we were a bit slack on defending but our galaxy was one of the best offensivly as it had been for many rounds before, while the majority of you were worrying about hitting Top 80 galaxies and getting enough defence a handful of us were taking out HC galaxies every night. Does your Legion command galaxy come in for the same critism of not helping in the war as we do ? As I can guarentee you everywhere that we attacked Fred, BDB, Axis_Wlf, Dimes and co were there to.

2) Really ? You found out about my 13241984 support planets in C105 then ? :eek:

3) Finally your right ! Morden came from 20:6 he took over 12:13:15 from a Legion member named Pappa. At the time no one really saw taking over accounts as a huge crime (In fact EVERY Top 10 galaxy had swappers in it) it'd been done for rounds and was seen as the normal thing to do when someone people then for odd reason Spinner had his crack down on it. Morden was deleted before ticks ended which lost us the round. To be honest it's not somthing I'm proud of

We did lose because of deletions, the Legion attack had little effect but it's the principal of the thing, Legion were attacking their own members, members who had served them for rounds but to make it worse it wasn't true Legion, Grendel was ordering them not to but a bunch of 12 year olds on sugar rushes refused to listern. That's the reason I was glad to see Legion disband, so the name wasn't futher tarnished by some of the morons who were there at the end.

Originally posted by Hicks
1) It was rare I ever had fleet slots at home, most of the time they were out attacking but I know myself and our Fury members did their share of defending. The only time we really let Fury down was when we failed to send an adequate number of fleets to help 23:23, something I still feel bad about. I've always thought that the best defence is a good offence, no matter what galaxy I'm in I'd rather see them all out attacking than out defending. My galaxy did our bit, perhaps we were a bit slack on defending but our galaxy was one of the best offensivly as it had been for many rounds before, while the majority of you were worrying about hitting Top 80 galaxies and getting enough defence a handful of us were taking out HC galaxies every night. Does your Legion command galaxy come in for the same critism of not helping in the war as we do ? As I can guarentee you everywhere that we attacked Fred, BDB, Axis_Wlf, Dimes and co were there to.

2) Really ? You found out about my 13241984 support planets in C105 then ? :eek:

3) Finally your right ! Morden came from 20:6 he took over 12:13:15 from a Legion member named Pappa. At the time no one really saw taking over accounts as a huge crime (In fact EVERY Top 10 galaxy had swappers in it) it'd been done for rounds and was seen as the normal thing to do when someone people then for odd reason Spinner had his crack down on it. Morden was deleted before ticks ended which lost us the round. To be honest it's not somthing I'm proud of

We did lose because of deletions, the Legion attack had little effect but it's the principal of the thing, Legion were attacking their own members, members who had served them for rounds but to make it worse it was orderinwasn't true Legion, Grendel g them not to but a bunch of 12 year olds on sugar rushes refused to listern. That's the reason I was glad to see Legion disband, so the name wasn't futher tarnished by some of the morons who were there at the end.

1) ask ne hc, having 3 fleets out is not acceptable, btw doin ur bit for def when ur too big to hit ne1 else doesnt count, just cos others did it doesnt make it ok, thats like saying "well killmark had bots, so were all allowed them".

2) yes u did multi, as i said, i know ur gc from r7 irl, he was in a nightclub with me on the pull yet was launching attacks, in a park at a concerts with me & TiG yet recalling ships from failed attacks.... all done by his gal mates. inter galaxy login IS MULTING, who said nething bout planets outside ur gal. i know all ur gal mates had access to logins/pass for all other planets.

3) 20:20, my gal, got thru the round without such tactics. oh and we finished 10th.

oh, and as for that last bit about legion, thats just extremly offensive. as i have already stated, fury members repeatedly hit iliad/legion gals and planets thru the round without accepting retals, jus cos u were big, doesnt make the basic offence ne worse, also, big fat cheaters like u r, u deserved it

yawn

Originally posted by Killerbee
erm... let me think
M&S GAL
..... oh yeah!!!! i attacked with u guys sometimes
1) u all attacked 3 times a day (so much for team playing and defence)
2) u all multied
3) u took morden into ur gal from 20:something

1) We did? Thats news to me. We nearly always attacked with DTA *once* a day. I myself had 2 attack fleets out pretty much all of the time though. I think this is where you got this idea from.

2) Try practicing what you preach. I remember a drunken coversation with you where you told me you had someone checking your account for you. So STFU.

3) Yup. At the time though it wasn't deemed illegal. IIRC. Im sure I remember you telling me you did the same.

[Hicks]

Originally posted by Killerbee
1) ask ne hc, having 3 fleets out is not acceptable, btw doin ur bit for def when ur too big to hit ne1 else doesnt count, just cos others did it doesnt make it ok, thats like saying "well killmark had bots, so were all allowed them".

2) yes u did multi, as i said, i know ur gc from r7 irl, he was in a nightclub with me on the pull yet was launching attacks, in a park at a concerts with me & TiG yet recalling ships from failed attacks.... all done by his gal mates. inter galaxy login IS MULTING, who said nething bout planets outside ur gal. i know all ur gal mates had access to logins/pass for all other planets.

3) 20:20, my gal, got thru the round without such tactics. oh and we finished 10th.

oh, and as for that last bit about legion, thats just extremly offensive. as i have already stated, fury members repeatedly hit iliad/legion gals and planets thru the round without accepting retals, jus cos u were big, doesnt make the basic offence ne worse, also, big fat cheaters like u r, u deserved it

1) I don't care what some HC who hasn't played in four rounds says, my fleet was always available for defence as were the majority of my galaxy mates (Especially Hearts and Ado) even the unallied players regularly contributed to FLVT defence. There's nothing I detest more than people having fleet slots idle, why on Earth should members be forced to keep one free because of regulations when it can help out elsewhere. My galaxies are always geared towards attacking that's simply the way I play the game, if that means having three fleets out and being denied defence by our alliances for doing so then so be it. I'd rather kill two enemy galaxies than save an allied one. Without the big galaxies who take the risks and do the big attacks the smaller galaxies would never win the round, likewise without the smaller galaxies to backup their attacks the larger galaxies would never win the round. Alliances are like teams some people should specialise in attacking while others in defending, it doesn't matter which individual wins it matter that the team (FLVT) won and we contributed a great deal to that.

2) Our attack slot was 0755 almost without exception, how the hell was Summy at a club at this time ? I didn't realise Hull had such a banging nightlife, I can't think of a single club I know that is still open at 7 in the morning, least of all in the frozen North. The other hole in this story is the fact we were weekend phobic, most of us had real lives and at weekends we simply shut down and let people find their own raids, the main reason for the shut down is both Summy and I could rarely be on and hence couldn't attack. I can try and dig the logs out from when Summy went to that thing with you and TiG but as I remember he was gone for more than one day, and wasn't attacking at all, something, which annoyed me as I needed his Fi to cover one of my attacks the day he left.

3) You forget I was in Gabez's galaxy in Round 8, how did Theamion put it, it's only cheating if you get caught. I know all about your little secrets.

I don't remember you being in Legion command so your not in a position to comment on the retal situation, in my view both sides were as in previous rounds just as bad as one another. Either way the retal situation wasn't really a good justification to attack your own members because they were in what is perceived as a Fury flagship galaxy. Why are you even bring retals into the discussion we NEVER landed on an allied galaxy, we were forced to recall three times once from Zither's random galaxy, once from Space Transen and once from a Wolfpack galaxy in C9 which had defected.

Shut up Dread

[Saitam]

Originally posted by Summy

3) Yup. At the time though it wasn't deemed illegal. IIRC. Im sure I remember you telling me you did the same.

It has always been deemed illegal, perhaps not by the players but always by the offical PA rules.

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Killerbee
gonna have to disagree here
lots of very good legionnaires came up thru iliad, and iliad did alot of quality defending in r7, esp early on. ok... so iliad didnt finish ne round with more rocks and avr score than legion proper (unlike r5 wrath), but thats not much to be ashamed of really, after all why did wrath, a jr allaince, manage to do better than fury proper? says something about the command of fury or the quality/dedication of fury members if u ask me.

(no i didnt go thru iliad just for the record)

flame away all u furby lovers.

Compared to Legion standards before and what Dominion had been Iliad was an utter failure. If ex Iliad command like Volcano, Avie and Torz are saying it was toss then I would rather believe them.

I understand you are a Legion member and thus wanting to defend everything it ever did was good and a success but since Dominion Legion never really recovered on the recruitment front.

As for r5 Wrath doing better than Fury thats debateable - if Fury had not been around I doubt Wrath would have done good as it did. You also have to remember Fury going into r5 was extremely weakened which is why r5 was so important. The fact Fury got to the same level as Legion that round goes to show how well Fury did to improve upon itself.

Iliad was a failure as far as recruitment alliances go (ones set up with honourable intentions). If Legion only ever intended for Iliad to be flak then perhaps it succeeded on that respect.

[Torz]

Iliad was a failure full stop, no need for anything after that Zhilly.

[Sn0w]

I'm sorry if I attacked you Hicks.

[K-W]

There are few players, and even few galaxies, and im sure no galaxies whove been top galaxies who dont have some skeleton in thier closet. Its really niether here nor there, it has absolutely no bearing on the fact that Legion members in masse attacked thier allies in a Legion galaxy and betrayed Fury, and betrayed thier fellow Legionaires.

If youd like to criticize M&S please open a new thread.

[edit]Please don't. Cheating accusations are crap and it's great if you can keep them all in one thread. - Jester[/edit]

[SpazMonster]

Originally posted by Hicks
~~~~@@@@ GIGGLE @@@@~~~~~

What's the money on Stal's using razor blades on wrists by the end.

[Sn0w]

Originally posted by SpazMonster

there, there cheer up mate. I'll buy ya a pint.

[Teh_Necro]

Originally posted by K-W
[b]There are few players, and even few galaxies, and im sure no galaxies whove been top galaxies who dont have some skeleton in thier closet. Its really niether here nor there, it has absolutely no bearing on the fact that Legion members in masse attacked thier allies in a Legion galaxy and betrayed Fury, and betrayed thier fellow Legionaires.

If youd like to criticize M&S please open a new thread.

I remember the day, when cheating was frowned upon, highly. But now the happy gang has split, and the secrets are out of the closests, cheating isn't as such a disgraceful act anymore, now that those frowning upon it have been caught with their hands wet.

-Necro

[Fifth_teletubbie]

Originally posted by Teh_Necro
I remember the day, when cheating was frowned upon, highly. But now the happy gang has split, and the secrets are out of the closests, cheating isn't as such a disgraceful act anymore, now that those frowning upon it have been caught with their hands wet.

-Necro

Oh please, coming from you this is without doubt the #1 track on Hypocrisy's Greatest Hits

[K-W]

Originally posted by Teh_Necro
I remember the day, when cheating was frowned upon, highly. But now the happy gang has split, and the secrets are out of the closests, cheating isn't as such a disgraceful act anymore, now that those frowning upon it have been caught with their hands wet.

-Necro

Cheating has been par for the course in this game since rd 1. Anyone who doesnt know that is really niave or really uninformed.

[Diamonds]

Originally posted by K-W
Cheating has been par for the course in this game since rd 1. Anyone who doesnt know that is really niave or really uninformed.

I think he is getting at the moral attitude towards cheating. I remember when an alleged cheater would be launched upon from all sides almost immediately. Sadly that attitude has degraded rather a lot ><

[Teh_Necro]

Originally posted by Fifth_teletubbie
Oh please, coming from you this is without doubt the #1 track on Hypocrisy's Greatest Hits

Oh and why's that?

Me having an account in your gal was a tactical move on an alliance level, it was not like i used that to farm, more importantly it was idle after its purpose was serverd, and that was simply to have inside info on NoCeX.

Other than that i'm not aware that i have bent the rules of pa, but then again, from where i'm standing your opinion would suggest u know about me than i do, so care to expand upon it, as im rather in the dark.

-Necro

[edit]This stops here. If you're so bored you have to get into 'he cheated, she cheated' issues, go have a wank or something else rewarding. - Jester[/edit]

[Edit] Care to mark every other post that has such mentions of cheating in them? - Necro [/Edit

[edit]This wasn't a message to you specifically, but a message to everyone bleeting. Sorry if it seemed I'd singled you out. - Jester[/edit]

[Xerxez]

Originally posted by K-W
Cheating has been par for the course in this game since rd 1. Anyone who doesnt know that is really niave or really uninformed.

or just too honest to play the game.

Hi

Originally posted by Zh|l
ROFL LMAO

I would go into #planetarion except that it doesnt really represent the Planetarion community now does it? Sid was involved in the center of politics for nearly every round he played in - when there was a famous thread or some sort a few rounds ago he was considered the msot famous in that. If you think Sid isnt famous within PA then you really are clueless.



You don't think I have any idea what Iliad is like? You are utterly clueless. I knew about Iliads existence before you even got into the alliance, I cooperated with Legion command on answering questions about r5 Wrath to establish Iliad upon for christs sake. People within Legion and people who were in the command of Iliad already brought down your comments so this entire arguement is flawed and illogical.



Coming from some Iliad officer I dont really care what you doubt or not. Did you have access to Fury Intelligence? Actually did you even have access to Legion Intelligence? I somehow guess the answers to both are 'no'. Iliad was considered to be a high security leak, evidence pointed to it from my recollection of memory. We feared it was Legion itself, but upon closer look Iliad seemd highly more probable and upon some certain channel moves without Iliad involved the leak seemed to have been solved.

Stop trying to debate my intelligence and knowledge on this subject. I never was in Iliad but that doesnt mean I know nothing about it - I kept a close eye on Iliad for personal reasons.

And you are wrong in your assessment of a 'great alliance'. Wrath had fun and had good rankings. If we use your definition than any alliance which has fun and have members being friends with eachother could be considered a 'great alliance'.

Exec rank gave me more access than you ever had.

So at the end of this, everyone is supposed to believe that a) Zhil defines the 'PA community' as everyone that knows Sid b) Zhil knows more about every alliance than their own members c) Zhil is the font of junior alliance knowledge, Legion could never have created a junior alliance without him and d) Zhil is god do not ever try to oppose his "intelligence and knowledge" and finally e) Wrath > * FFS!!!!!2132232324



Zhil are you THAT insecure about your legacy that you have to demean someone else's opinion of their JUNIOR alliance (From almost a year ago) becuase yours was 'better'?

Originally posted by Zh|l
Compared to Legion standards before and what Dominion had been Iliad was an utter failure. If ex Iliad command like Volcano, Avie and Torz are saying it was toss then I would rather believe them.

You're going to trust Volcano Avie and Torz's opinions of Iliad?

You really know absolutely nothing about Iliad.

[Torz]

oh here comes Captain Coragous to tell you how great it was in a 3000 word essay when most of it could be summed up as 'utter ****e'




On a side related note, you were part of the reason for the 2 others going on to form Reduco. What exactly did you do since Iliad? Oh yeh, try to get legion to break from it's longest ally.


STRENGTH AND HONOUR BROTHER

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally posted by Torz

On a side related note, you were part of the reason for the 2 others going on to form Reduco. What exactly did you do since Iliad? Oh yeh, try to get legion to break from it's longest ally.
STRENGTH AND HONOUR BROTHER

its not like fury didnt deserve a backstabbing either?

[K-W]

Originally posted by Diamonds
I think he is getting at the moral attitude towards cheating. I remember when an alleged cheater would be launched upon from all sides almost immediately. Sadly that attitude has degraded rather a lot ><

I agree to an extent, but when those people launching on the cheaters were cheaters themselves was that really accomplishing anything? It spiced up the game and made for good fun, but it didnt deter cheating.

[Scouse]

Originally posted by K-W
I agree to an extent, but when those people launching on the cheaters were cheaters themselves was that really accomplishing anything? It spiced up the game and made for good fun, but it didnt deter cheating.

But you're not a cheater unless you're caught?

[Hicks]

Seem's the attitude of Planetarion these days.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Hicks
Seem's the attitude of Planetarion these days.

They might as well have called the game that. Thats always been the philosophy.

[Teh_Necro]

Originally posted by K-W
They might as well have called the game that. Thats always been the philosophy.

Not particually amongst all, just a the few who seem to think their opinion reflects on exactly how the way things are or indeed were.

You'll find a larger proportion of players going back a few rounds did not cheat. It is only now that the two level of "classes" have become more intergrated has cheating picked up quite considerably, a select few of the top players persisted in cheating, to the extent that they have driven those around them to cheat in order to keep up.

Im not saying that justifies things anymore, just that its a shame that this is the form planetarion has finally taken.

-Necro

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Praetorian
So at the end of this, everyone is supposed to believe that a) Zhil defines the 'PA community' as everyone that knows Sid

No, I never said that. The arguement was that Sid wasnt famous within PA itself which is utterly wrong.

Originally posted by Praetorian

b) Zhil knows more about every alliance than their own members

Hardly, I've never claimed such a rubbish thing. I simply commented on Iliad being a failure unless it was intended as a poor recruitment method for flak and the occassional good player.

Originally posted by Praetorian

c) Zhil is the font of junior alliance knowledge, Legion could never have created a junior alliance without him

Funny because Legion's Dominion was before my time and was similar to the Wrath model - of course Legion's fear of it becoming more powerful meant it got cut shorter than Wrath ever did. Oddly enough for the latter rounds I am knowledgable with junior alliance workings. It was my job after all. Not to mention Iliad actually was created to try and recreate the success of Wrath with admittance from your own HC. Ex Wrath Command Staff were spoken to by your HC also. (I know I was and I recall KG mentioning it also)

Originally posted by Praetorian

and d) Zhil is god do not ever try to oppose his "intelligence and knowledge"

Coming from someone like you thats rather laughable. I am arguing in an area I have knowledge within. Whilst you are resorting to cheap jibes and not even touching upon the subject. It almost seems as if you are emotionally riled up Prae.

Originally posted by Praetorian

and finally e) Wrath > * FFS!!!!!2132232324

Hardly, I've never claimed Wrath to be more than all. It was simply one of the most perfect recruitment alliances to appear within Planetarion - a fitting tribute to Fury. Iliad tried and failed dismally to recreate its success.

Originally posted by Praetorian

Zhil are you THAT insecure about your legacy that you have to demean someone else's opinion of their JUNIOR alliance (From almost a year ago) becuase yours was 'better'?

Hardly, your comment isnt worth salt when he said he wasnt even Iliad thus how is he to know? Its simply just blind alliance loyalty talking. I don't why you highlight Junior - is it supposed to be a negative term? A year doesn't matter to me either.

I won't drop to your level here Praetorian.

[Teh_Necro]

Originally posted by Zh|l

Hardly, I've never claimed Wrath to be more than all. It was simply one of the most perfect recruitment alliances to appear within Planetarion.

You can say what the hell you like Zhil, but i refuse to believe what you just said, and even if it was, what other "Great" recruimtnet alliances were ever truly setup?

Your over playing this zhil, please for the sake of my eyes, stop it.

-Necro

[Torz]

Originally posted by Teh_Necro
what other "Great" recruimtnet alliances were ever truly setup?

CpV anyone?

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Teh_Necro
You can say what the hell you like Zhil, but i refuse to believe what you just said, and even if it was, what other "Great" recruimtnet alliances were ever truly setup?

Your over playing this zhil, please for the sake of my eyes, stop it.

-Necro

CpV, Dominion, Sith all had defining moments for their parent alliance. CpV wasn't really my fortee so to speak and I estimated them to be the best until I found out about Dominion. Its rather funny how Legion seemed to quash good ideas quickly incase they became too powerful which is why its hard to compare. I'm sure if Legion had not been so quick to destroy that they too would have a long success in such also. CpV was the first serious recruitment alliance afaik - discounting WaCJr but eventually succumbed to Legion cutting it loose. Sith helped BlueTuba after the very hurtful round 2. Dominion helped replace the split from Wolfpack and gave Legion a much needed breath of fresh air. Wrath likewise gave Fury a much needed breath of fresh air also.

Each has their own reasons for being better than the other, Wrath is significant for continuing the Dominion trend to an area without egoclashing and I believe I consulted with Petru and Avie upon r5 Wrath at times for advice.

If you are getting fed up of this discussion, you can always stop reading Necro.

[furssie]

Zhil if we all in here says that you've molded wrath as the best junior wing or recruitment alliance, will you stop this?

to hicks....

i dont care what your justifications are, previously in this thread u have acted mr high and mighty over the end of your galaxy in r7.

fact is, you can hardly claim to preach about legions 'honour' when your own galaxy could hardly claim to be sticking to the rules.


oh, and saying 'other ppl did it' isnt an excuse, its an admission of guilt.

p.s. whats this rubbish about 3 fleets attacking everynight being alright. when every allaince HCs, including legion says its wrong then its must be held to be a bad idea. oh, and u didnt launch 7:55 every night, your galaxy practised launching at different times on the same night.



as for zhil and his comments.............
on iliad. i cant rember ever iliad being used for flax, ofc iliad wasnt perfect, far from it, but it served its most important purpose very well... establishing who was fit for legion and who wasnt, name 5 ppl who made it into legion thru iliad who didnt deserve to be there and i would be suprised.

Originally posted by Hicks

I don't remember you being in Legion command so your not in a position to comment on the retal situation, in my view both sides were as in previous rounds just as bad as one another. Either way the retal situation wasn't really a good justification to attack your own members because they were in what is perceived as a Fury flagship galaxy. Why are you even bring retals into the discussion we NEVER landed on an allied galaxy, we were forced to recall three times once from Zither's random galaxy, once from Space Transen and once from a Wolfpack galaxy in C9 which had defected.

Shut up Dread

erm, other than the fact i had half a dozen retal requests accepted by legion command but not allowed cos fury wouldnt accept them, thats kinda the reason a good half of legion wanted war with fury end of r7, not with titans & co.

[Jester]

Originally posted by Killerbee
p.s. whats this rubbish about 3 fleets attacking everynight being alright. when every allaince HCs, including legion says its wrong then its must be held to be a bad idea. oh, and u didnt launch 7:55 every night, your galaxy practised launching at different times on the same night.

Could we bury this once and for all. The 3 fleets rule is not a given. It is a judgement call made by the High Command of an alliance. Often times 3 fleets attacking (especially by larger planets) can be beneficial.

Think about it for a moment. On average it takes more fleetscore to defend an attack than to take roids off someone. So if a big planet can hit 3 mid-large hostile targets, more power to them. Sometimes (let's face it, usually, in fact almost always) they do it for the wrong (read: selfish) reasons. And some alliances aren't into that. In fact, some alliances want to make sure people don't start doing it solely for selfish reasons. Or more explicitly: Most alliances want to make sure the practice doesn't get out of hand. Because HC need to balance the situation against defense.

Jester

Originally posted by Jester
Could we bury this once and for all. The 3 fleets rule is not a given. It is a judgement call made by the High Command of an alliance. Often times 3 fleets attacking (especially by larger planets) can be beneficial.

Think about it for a moment. On average it takes more fleetscore to defend an attack than to take roids off someone. So if a big planet can hit 3 mid-large hostile targets, more power to them. Sometimes (let's face it, usually, in fact almost always) they do it for the wrong (read: selfish) reasons. And some alliances aren't into that. In fact, some alliances want to make sure people don't start doing it solely for selfish reasons. Or more explicitly: Most alliances want to make sure the practice doesn't get out of hand. Because HC need to balance the situation against defense.

Jester

i personnally agree with this , however its not what any HC would say to u, also its the idea of not being able to defend any members in need of defencewhich causes tention in the allaince. further more the whole attacking with 3 fleet was part of a larger arguement, which was M&S gal was launchin at different times on the same night (with gaps of several hour between them), and i know for a fact all M&S playas didnt stay up to launch these attacks, they multied.

as for those statements by summy/hicks. whatever happened in my galaxy, i ONCE (note once) gave my login details to stals, as we got LDK incs. however my ships were not needed as a)i wasnt under attack and b) we had enough defence, and my account was NEVER entered.
the scale of what went on in my galaxy was never anything near the scale or deviousness of what went on in the m&s gal.
but thats not the point anyway, the point was u can hardly slag off the membership of legion r7 over attacking you, when your own galaxy was clearly not playing honourably.

[edit]I don't give a **** if so and so cheated. It's the most boring and meaningless discussion on this forum. Pure slander. So keep it up at your own risk. - Jester[/edit]

[Heartshunter]

You are by far exagerating what was going on in the M&S gal, if such deviousness was going on, I certainly wasn't part of it.
I've seen NO evidence of massive accountsharing or whatever, yes Morden took over a planet, no I wasn't happy with it, but you make it look like we were evilness ourselves, which quite honestly wasn't true.
I was fairly frustrated at some point that we lots of times had to take the 'hard' targets, instead of the easier just roidtargets, just to please our alliance(s) for example.
IMO, if M&S would have been more evil we would have ended up with lots more roids and in a better position then we were at that time. About sending 3 fleets to attack is mostly rubbish, I can't remember all of it, but it was more an exception that it happened, by only certain people then that it was common.
Having so many HC's/execs in one galaxy is generally more of a disadvantage then an advantage, as we had to set an example for our members (thats at least how I feel about it and how I played)
Stop making out like it was cheat central over there, I don't think we were worse then others, actually, M&S was probably one of the least worst around there.

Originally posted by Heartshunter
You are by far exagerating what was going on in the M&S gal, if such deviousness was going on, I certainly wasn't part of it.
I've seen NO evidence of massive accountsharing or whatever, yes Morden took over a planet, no I wasn't happy with it, but you make it look like we were evilness ourselves, which quite honestly wasn't true.
I was fairly frustrated at some point that we lots of times had to take the 'hard' targets, instead of the easier just roidtargets, just to please our alliance(s) for example.
IMO, if M&S would have been more evil we would have ended up with lots more roids and in a better position then we were at that time. About sending 3 fleets to attack is mostly rubbish, I can't remember all of it, but it was more an exception that it happened, by only certain people then that it was common.
Having so many HC's/execs in one galaxy is generally more of a disadvantage then an advantage, as we had to set an example for our members (thats at least how I feel about it and how I played)
Stop making out like it was cheat central over there, I don't think we were worse then others, actually, M&S was probably one of the least worst around there.

******cant u see thats not the point******

hicks makes a thread slagging off legion, saying the quality of legion r7 was rubbish cos they turned on his gal...

i was merly pointing out that his galaxy was not all innocent, so he can hardly go on a legion bashing crusade. <<---this is the point!!!!!!

and no, m&s wasnt the worst, but i was genuinly shocked by what i learned about what went on in there.

[Heartshunter]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Legion hasn't lived up to its name since probably R3. As from R6 it only got worse. Unfortunately (but fortunate for Legion) this wasn't really visible to the bigger public, but most command of other alliances who worked with them will probably agree with me.

[Jester]

This is you:

Person1: Yay my alliance.
Person2: Boo your alliance.
Person1: But your alliance cheats!
Person2: Your alliance too!
Person3: But I have evidence of you cheating!!12
Person1: My alliance still rocks.
Person4: Your alliance is lame.
Person5: Cheating bastards!
Person6: Bleet, bleet.

Cheating in past rounds is about the lowest of low ways to try to soil reputations. If you want to discuss crap like this, take it to PM. Or try to find these people on IRC. Just please don't make us wade through it.

Also: If another thread degenerates to Wrath vs Iliad, or Wrath vs Anything... *grumbles*

Jester