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Unread 5 Aug 2007, 00:21   #1
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Round Report 5 august 2007

Well, I said i would write one more post on the current situation and so, here it is.

First to summarize on the few events that have happened outside the alliance ranks.

First, with one week to go, it seems quite clear that the win will go to a value planet this round.

If Elviz manages to pull off yet another steal to cause the win remains to be seen, he does have the advantage, and he seems to have a bigger stack than his closest competitors, but with the production to hide resources strategy you can never be fully secure on who has the most resources stacked.

In the galaxy race it seems more likely that the race is already settled, 4:3 seems to have a good lead on 2:4 and others trailing strongly. I would expect nothing else but a full victory for the guys in 4:3.

In the race of becoming the best XP whore we seem to have a quite clear winner already in 13 6 4 , although everything can happen still at this stage, and with one week left we're bound to see lots of xp whores trying to fight themselves upwards in the ranking.

So back to the alliance race.

The thriller finish doesn't seem to end in regards to alliances. There are still 5 alliances with a good chance to win, allthough two seem to have lost slightly in pace, and seem to be to far away, but its still anyones game.

CT have been under heavy fire from VGN/JEN/TGV and the Triad seem to have gained the upper hand against CT. However CT is still a dark horse who can easily recover and this could actually go down to be all about the spending of resources on the last day.

ND seems to be trying to fight their way into top 5 but seems to be having problems passing ROCK whom seem to have fallen slightly off into inactivity.

Subh have picked up the pace slightly and seem to be trying to get back at ND, but so far, their scoregainage has not been fully up with the ND gains.

Behind Subh again each alliance follow like a lone little island of score behind each other and it seems pretty set for rank from 7 to 21st.

For those who like to sodomize themselves while reading about alliances nobody else would care about:

The interesting fights we see here is that TiT and StrongHold are battling it off in a close battle for 21st. While ZikUnion had an enourmous roid/shiploss at about 2mill scores worth today and its unlikely they will recover from such a horror.


Of other rumors that the grapevine is putting up is the return of several alliances next round.

After Insomnia waking up and deciding to wanting to play again others have followed suit.
Ministry have declared that they are playing, and there are strong rumors that both Destiny and eXilition are gonna play round 23.

Will this cause another huge collapse of the alliances who currently hold the top spots and what alliances will dissolve seems all pretty unclear. Time will tell, and the only thing for certain now is that the round will end next friday. (I think)
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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In the race of becoming the best XP whore we seem to have a quite clear winner already in 13 6 4 , although everything can happen still at this stage, and with one week left we're bound to see lots of xp whores trying to fight themselves upwards in the ranking.
Hadn't I become lazy and stopped attacking for 2-3 days I'd still be #1. I'm only 9k behind #1 now though and it should only take me two landings to fly past him (given that he doesn't land). I'll try my best to make your prediction fail anyway

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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

Kargool,

We will both recover and reach our aim for this round.

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Never underestimate the power of finance centers kargool
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

Are we supposed to ignore the embedded propaganda, seeing how this was written by a TGV HC, about Conspiracy needing the pressure to be kept on them because they have good odds of bouncing back? TGV now have a 2mil score lead, and 1 less player in tag than any of the other competitors. A 2 million lead is actually the biggest lead for #1 I've seen in a few weeks. Coupled with a roid lead aswell, it could prove key to victory. I wonder if Vgn are content with staying #2.
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so what are u saying? Ministry are winning? ;-)
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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The interesting fights we see here is that TiT and StrongHold are battling it off in a close battle for 21st. While ZikUnion had an enourmous roid/shiploss at about 2mill scores worth today and its unlikely they will recover from such a horror.
We're 200k in score behind trans now. So much for the 'unlikely to recover' blurb Kargool.
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If Elviz manages to pull off yet another steal to cause the win remains to be seen, he does have the advantage, and he seems to have a bigger stack than his closest competitors, but with the production to hide resources strategy you can never be fully secure on who has the most resources stacked.
Not even close on this one Kargool, a few scans (and just looking at their size) should give you a completely different view :/
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

with the dramatic roid losses jenova suffered today you might be better doing a daily report until ticks stop
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

With only TGV and Conspiracy realistically left to challenge Vengeance for the #1 spot, the current political alliances (Vengeance/TGV/Jenova vs CT & pals) surely won't last much longer. There's certainly nothing left in it for TGV anymore, they really should be angling for #1 from here onwards.
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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with the dramatic roid losses jenova suffered today you might be better doing a daily report until ticks stop
Funny you should bring this up. Correct we had major lossess today, due to of course Rock, VSN ND and a bit of orbit launching on us. I have to admit guys it was quite well organised. Problem was, a lot of you seem to not understand though not to land if it means killing all of your ships (ie we had a lot of suiciders) You can probably tell becuase we lost a huge -16% on roids but only -0.05% on score. Like to add this was also due to quite a rather big planet leaving in tag. (i hate those players)

So i will give credit where credit is due. You did an excellent job on roiding us, however, you didnt do to well with suiciding.
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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With only TGV and Conspiracy realistically left to challenge Vengeance for the #1 spot, the current political alliances (Vengeance/TGV/Jenova vs CT & pals) surely won't last much longer. There's certainly nothing left in it for TGV anymore, they really should be angling for #1 from here onwards.

I dont see why we should decide to turn and backstab VGN just because they are winning. The Triad won the round, and whomever ends on top of VGN and TGV has the other to thank for it, so no, we wont break our nap with them. Winning isnt everything.
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Except this is not round five, blocks don't win anymore, "The Triad" was merely a coop to get rid of one of the contenders, and VGN will (as it stands) win alone?
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talin ct wasn't the only contender halfway of the round there were 6 contenders still 3 allied to eachother the other 3 also. and well the tgv/jen/vgn "BLOCK" won the match with all 3 in top 4 and if lucky places 1 and 2
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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Except this is not round five, blocks don't win anymore, "The Triad" was merely a coop to get rid of one of the contenders, and VGN will (as it stands) win alone?
oh im sorry mister oldschool moron, i didnt know that pre pax rounds had copyrights on the blockwars.

If you had any knowledge of what had been going on this round you would have known that this was a classic blockwar round.
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oh im sorry mister oldschool moron, i didnt know that pre pax rounds had copyrights on the blockwars.
Funny, I would've thought that forced tag limits, tag score, and relevant alliance rankings (all of which you seem to support) made it pretty obvious that in the current setup, #1 ranked alliance wins, and other alliances lose?
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the top spot has been changing till yesterday
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And it can keep changing until the very last tick, but I still don't see how can you fit two or three alliances into it. Only one will eventually win.

Wheter the alliances involved choose to make it happen by luck/stockpiles, or by actually trying to claim the win for themselves. The choice is up to you, as are the consequences.
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Funny you should bring this up. Correct we had major lossess today, due to of course Rock, VSN ND and a bit of orbit launching on us. I have to admit guys it was quite well organised. Problem was, a lot of you seem to not understand though not to land if it means killing all of your ships (ie we had a lot of suiciders) You can probably tell becuase we lost a huge -16% on roids but only -0.05% on score. Like to add this was also due to quite a rather big planet leaving in tag. (i hate those players)

So i will give credit where credit is due. You did an excellent job on roiding us, however, you didnt do to well with suiciding.
dunno bout the others but i dont think we suffered too much by suiciding (as you call it ) on jen planets
and funnily enough all those alliances that you mention show score gains not losses according to sandmans
claiming your low score gain was attributed to losing a player yet you still have 70 in tag , is this finally an admission by jenova hc that you have abused the support planet rule
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dunno bout the others but i dont think we suffered too much by suiciding (as you call it ) on jen planets
and funnily enough all those alliances that you mention show score gains not losses according to sandmans
claiming your low score gain was attributed to losing a player yet you still have 70 in tag , is this finally an admission by jenova hc that you have abused the support planet rule
Apperantly VGN has a support alliance where one of the members have had 45% of all his deffleets being sendt to VGN!
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Apperantly VGN has a support alliance where one of the members have had 45% of all his deffleets being sendt to VGN!
wtf has that got to do with jenova's losses today

or was this a very bad attempt at humour by you
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wtf has that got to do with jenova's losses today

or was this a very bad attempt at humour by you
well, your attempt at framing jenova for having supportplanets based on what you just said was pretty pretty shite, so i thought you needed company down there.
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I dont see why we should decide to turn and backstab VGN just because they are winning. The Triad won the round, and whomever ends on top of VGN and TGV has the other to thank for it, so no, we wont break our nap with them. Winning isnt everything.
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Except this is not round five, blocks don't win anymore, "The Triad" was merely a coop to get rid of one of the contenders, and VGN will (as it stands) win alone?

Welcome to the effect of alliance rankings, Kargool. When people look back on Round 22, they won't see TGV's involvement. They won't respect whatever TGV for 'The Triad', they'll just see Vengeance occupying the #1 spot and think no more of it.


So don't delude yourself. Yes, before we had alliance rankings then blocks could be credited with the win. That's not the case anymore, all anyone will do is look at 1st place and the name of the alliance occupying that rank.


It makes no sense at all not to go for the win at this point in time, none whatsoever.
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well, your attempt at framing jenova for having supportplanets based on what you just said was pretty pretty shite, so i thought you needed company down there.
maybe your one of the few people this round who didnt hear that jenova had listed over 70 players as jenova members on their own arbiter , said arbiter that very many people access due to the username and password of cisco (jenova hc ) being public until he had the sense to change it

so you can be assured that there was no humour in my post its a know fact (i suggest you look that word up as you dont seemto be able to grasp its meaning) that jenova have played all round with more than 70 members

ps as furball said , no-one remembers 2nd and they dont give bonus points or fanfare's for being in a block these days
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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Welcome to the effect of alliance rankings, Kargool. When people look back on Round 22, they won't see TGV's involvement. They won't respect whatever TGV for 'The Triad', they'll just see Vengeance occupying the #1 spot and think no more of it.


So don't delude yourself. Yes, before we had alliance rankings then blocks could be credited with the win. That's not the case anymore, all anyone will do is look at 1st place and the name of the alliance occupying that rank.


It makes no sense at all not to go for the win at this point in time, none whatsoever.
That is a somewhat lame statement, there will be a lot of people who will remember what has happend during previous rounds, but I guess you who maybe feel somewhat out of touch with the community wont understand this.

However, winning by backstabbing has never been a preferred hobby of mine, and the politics of this round will maybe be brought into next round too, who knows.

You cant really say that we are not willing to go for first just because we're not willing to attack an alliance that we have napped. Your reasoning is based on the fact that winning is the only thing that matters, maybe it is that for you, but its not they way TGV plays, and never will be.
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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maybe your one of the few people this round who didnt hear that jenova had listed over 70 players as jenova members on their own arbiter , said arbiter that very many people access due to the username and password of cisco (jenova hc ) being public until he had the sense to change it

so you can be assured that there was no humour in my post its a know fact (i suggest you look that word up as you dont seemto be able to grasp its meaning) that jenova have played all round with more than 70 members

ps as furball said , no-one remembers 2nd and they dont give bonus points or fanfare's for being in a block these days

Well, we still finish above you, does that mean you suck even worse?

GO play with your legos for gods sake before you make a fool out of yourself. Oh. nevermind, too late for that.

What you claim is Jenova having supportplanets have been reviewed by the multihunters and we just have to put our faith in that they are actually doing their job, not that it really matters as Jenova isnt winning either.

You are the one who urgently needs to tell the world that they have supportplanets, wasnt there something you said about nobody remembering anyone who didnt finish first? Who cares what Jenova have done then.

Semantics from a useless moron is always fun.
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Well, we still finish above you, does that mean you suck even worse?

GO play with your legos for gods sake before you make a fool out of yourself. Oh. nevermind, too late for that.

What you claim is Jenova having supportplanets have been reviewed by the multihunters and we just have to put our faith in that they are actually doing their job, not that it really matters as Jenova isnt winning either.

You are the one who urgently needs to tell the world that they have supportplanets, wasnt there something you said about nobody remembering anyone who didnt finish first? Who cares what Jenova have done then.

Semantics from a useless moron is always fun.
your the one thats blabbering on about the triad winning this rd so dont insult my intelligence with your stupidity
your attempt to be the triads cheerleading squad has failed miserably
be content that tgv will be remembered this round but not as a member of the triad but as fence-sitters who napped the whole universe
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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That is a somewhat lame statement, there will be a lot of people who will remember what has happend during previous rounds, but I guess you who maybe feel somewhat out of touch with the community wont understand this.
A nice dig at my retirement, well played but I really couldn't give a shit. It's fairly obvious that nothing has really changed - anyway, riddle me this, who won Round 10.5, FAnG or FPM?

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However, winning by backstabbing has never been a preferred hobby of mine, and the politics of this round will maybe be brought into next round too, who knows.
Winning is winning, it's simply a question of fortitude. You can win this round, there's nothing stopping you aside from having the guts to do so.

If Vengeance were in the position you're in, they'd go for you no questions asked. You wouldn't even be able to complain about their decision to break the NAP, since it'd hardly be unexpected.


Do you really think that Vengeance haven't considered that you might attack them? Perhaps they're considering attacking you on one of the last nights to make sure that you don't overtake them - after all, the best defence is a good offence.

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You cant really say that we are not willing to go for first just because we're not willing to attack an alliance that we have napped. Your reasoning is based on the fact that winning is the only thing that matters, maybe it is that for you, but its not they way TGV plays, and never will be.
Did Reunion ever get any credit for their Round 14 alliance with 1up? No. Did NewDawn get credit for taking the lead in Round 15 and trying to war against eXilition before they succumbed to the inevitable? Yes. But for the Ascendancy victory, would NewDawn have been given a lot of credit for putting up a strong fight against 1up? Undoubtedly. Were Omen given credit for the effort they put in in Round 17? Certainly. Were all Round 19 alliances that weren't eXilition laughed at for not doing anything about them until it was too late? Yes they were...actually I'm still lolling now.


Perhaps my point might get through to you, perhaps not. However, I've attempted to produce evidence to show that where alliances have a chance of going for #1 and not taking them, they never look good in retrospect.
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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Did Reunion ever get any credit for their Round 14 alliance with 1up? No. Did NewDawn get credit for taking the lead in Round 15 and trying to war against eXilition before they succumbed to the inevitable? Yes. But for the Ascendancy victory, would NewDawn have been given a lot of credit for putting up a strong fight against 1up? Undoubtedly. Were Omen given credit for the effort they put in in Round 17? Certainly. Were all Round 19 alliances that weren't eXilition laughed at for not doing anything about them until it was too late? Yes they were...actually I'm still lolling now.
Werent you the one that said people who finish second doesnt get rememberd, and here you are, telling about lots of alliances that finished second. You bore me with your arguments really.
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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your the one thats blabbering on about the triad winning this rd so dont insult my intelligence with your stupidity
your attempt to be the triads cheerleading squad has failed miserably
be content that tgv will be remembered this round but not as a member of the triad but as fence-sitters who napped the whole universe
And as you know all about whats going on in the universe mr I know Jack shit, im sure everyone falls in line to follow the great Gzambo into nothingness.
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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Werent you the one that said people who finish second doesnt get rememberd, and here you are, telling about lots of alliances that finished second. You bore me with your arguments really.
In history the name of the round winner will always come first. I never pretended otherwise. Coming second is never as great an achievement as coming first.


When people look closer at the history of a round, they also remember how the #1 alliance got there - the battles they fought (or didn't fight), and the political motivations behind those battles. That was why I gave examples of when alliances had proudly finished second and when alliances had finished second in name only. Round 17 Omen are the former, Round 19 NewDawn are the latter.


Don't do a NewDawn.
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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And as you know all about whats going on in the universe mr I know Jack shit, im sure everyone falls in line to follow the great Gzambo into nothingness.
you know its easy to see wen the person your arguing with knows your right , they resort to personal insults

congrats on napping your way into the top 5
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After Insomnia waking up and deciding to wanting to play again others have followed suit.
Ministry have declared that they are playing, and there are strong rumors that both Destiny and eXilition are gonna play round 23.
I thought Insomnia and Destiny were the same...
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And as you know all about whats going on in the universe mr I know Jack shit, im sure everyone falls in line to follow the great Gzambo into nothingness.
The only winner will be the alliance at the top of the rankings... this 'triad' excuse is laughable, and your insults won't make it any more serious.
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The only winner will be the alliance at the top of the rankings... this 'triad' excuse is laughable, and your insults won't make it any more serious.
Well, its not an excuse the way I see it, its the defintion of what we did this round. The credit of someone winning a round should go where the credit is due.
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

The 'triad' has been losing roids lately due to the many alliances targetting them. And CT is close on TGVs tail. I doubt CT would offer TGV the rounds victory on a silver platter in case of a backstab. So I doubt TGV can win if they decided to face CT + its many allies alone and backstab VGN.
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I thought Insomnia and Destiny were the same...
nope. When inSomnia anounced they were not playing (start of r18) the core split in several directions. Most stayed together and went to Escape or eXilition.

Then round 19 i took a small core to play for ToF as a Battlegroup

Round 20 Destiny was formed with about 25 or so ex InSomnia players in the ranks. Destiny command, iirc, contained only 1 ex InSomnia command in antigone, rest were officers.

Destiny, as im sure, wouldnt like to be labled as 'inSomnia v2.0'

and tbh it isnt inSomnia without Jonas, a player who never played the round with Destiny
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The credit of someone winning a round should go where the credit is due.
I agree, but there is only 1 winner... the one at the top. Could be TGV, could be VGN, can't be both.
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I agree, but there is only 1 winner... the one at the top. Could be TGV, could be VGN, can't be both.

Technically it could be a draw
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Well, its not an excuse the way I see it, its the defintion of what we did this round. The credit of someone winning a round should go where the credit is due.
That's really just utter crap. During the last few rounds we've heard enough of that "true winner"/"real winner" -rant. Really, the real winner is the one on the top of the table, the others didn't win. If you're using "definition of what you did" this round as a reason why you should be the winner, you should really look at what you did wrong, and why you aren't the winner. If you're not the winner, there's a reason to it - if it's the fact that you're being hit by a block, then it's your loss, and your failure to prevent it.

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When people look closer at the history of a round, they also remember how the #1 alliance got there - the battles they fought (or didn't fight), and the political motivations behind those battles.
Yeah. Evidently, the winner picked the correct fights to fight, and didn't fight the fights they shouldn't have fought - after all, they did end up winning.


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That's really just utter crap. During the last few rounds we've heard enough of that "true winner"/"real winner" -rant. Really, the real winner is the one on the top of the table, the others didn't win. If you're using "definition of what you did" this round as a reason why you should be the winner, you should really look at what you did wrong, and why you aren't the winner. If you're not the winner, there's a reason to it - if it's the fact that you're being hit by a block, then it's your loss, and your failure to prevent it.
Why ofc, the one of the three alliances that co-operated and ended first will win the round, and the two others wont, I was just pointing out that most likely wouldnt either TGV nor VGN end where they did if they hadnt co-operated. I was not saying TGV deserved the win more than VGN or vice versa.
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

Lets be honest guys. The only serious battle this round is the Total Roids Lost race. At this point I think Jester has it all but tied up.
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Technically it could be a draw
Now that would be an event.
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When people look closer at the history of a round, they also remember how the #1 alliance got there - the battles they fought (or didn't fight), and the political motivations behind those battles.
Yeah. Evidently, the winner picked the correct fights to fight, and didn't fight the fights they shouldn't have fought - after all, they did end up winning.
Er, I said that not Kargool


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Why ofc, the one of the three alliances that co-operated and ended first will win the round, and the two others wont, I was just pointing out that most likely wouldnt either TGV nor VGN end where they did if they hadnt co-operated. I was not saying TGV deserved the win more than VGN or vice versa.
So why not put yourself in a situation where you deserve the win? You are within touching distance of the #1 spot and with appropriate political manouvering can make sure that you hold it to the end of the round.


DON'T YOU WANT TO WIN OR SOMETHING????
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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Er, I said that not Kargool




So why not put yourself in a situation where you deserve the win? You are within touching distance of the #1 spot and with appropriate political manouvering can make sure that you hold it to the end of the round.


DON'T YOU WANT TO WIN OR SOMETHING????
I sure hope you never get to HC an alliance ever again. I would hate to have dealings with an alliance with you as HC whom could turn on your partners whenever you saw it fit.
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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Lets be honest guys. The only serious battle this round is the Total Roids Lost race. At this point I think Jester has it all but tied up.
Hmm, do i smell a new rule coming up? No longer allowed to initiate roids in the thousands to win the lost roids race?

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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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I sure hope you never get to HC an alliance ever again. I would hate to have dealings with an alliance with you as HC whom could turn on your partners whenever you saw it fit.
That sounds like fighting talk to me. Didn't think you had it in you.



As I said already, Vengeance would be fools to have not considered the possibility that you and/or Jenova might choose to break the alliance. I'm not sure on what basis you negotiated the alliance initally, but if you agreed for it to be a permanent alliance with a mutual defence agreement (so that if Alliance C attacks Alliance B, Alliance A will defend Alliance B) then I'd say that that's nothing but foolish politics.


Would you be condemned for breaking the alliance if you chose to do so at this point, in an attempt to go for the win? I don't think so.
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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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That sounds like fighting talk to me. Didn't think you had it in you.



As I said already, Vengeance would be fools to have not considered the possibility that you and/or Jenova might choose to break the alliance. I'm not sure on what basis you negotiated the alliance initally, but if you agreed for it to be a permanent alliance with a mutual defence agreement (so that if Alliance C attacks Alliance B, Alliance A will defend Alliance B) then I'd say that that's nothing but foolish politics.


Would you be condemned for breaking the alliance if you chose to do so at this point, in an attempt to go for the win? I don't think so.
Whats the point in having alliances limited to 70 if people simply sideline it by large scale political agreements?

If you have mutual defensive pacts, then thats just support planets on mass driving trucks through any premise of 70 player limits or anything else.

Course, many of you are going to post denying this. So don't bother. You don't need to say it, its already understood.

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Re: Round Report 5 august 2007

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I sure hope you never get to HC an alliance ever again. I would hate to have dealings with an alliance with you as HC whom could turn on your partners whenever you saw it fit.
Its hardly turning on partners though. These partnership agreements arent supposed to be things set in stone, they are supposed to be fluid so that once the aim of the partnership is achieved (which I would say you had achieved) then all bets should have been off and it should have been a fight to the finish
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