LOL? exi walkover as usual?

[Alki]

Originally Posted by Stoom

Oh shut up. 200 planets? then why do you 'only' get 150+ defcalls a night... You guys still got more fleetslots then eXi (and co.?). If only you knew where to send em...

Come on stoom we had a little chat about this, 200 is a major over exaggeration yes, but you do have players that will never be added to the tag, maybe they arent in the main channel, but they certainly are in the seperate bg channels you have.

A member of my galaxy told me, he will never be added to the exi tag but will never need to send defence, he is just part of an attack group in exi. And he isnt the only one in this situation

[Cartman]

Originally Posted by EmmaB

I think what Anti is hinting at is that Destiny went into this round with 40-50 members with no political agenda, and yet somehow, other well established allies have either given up or imploded leaving Destiny as the only other main contender to fight exi. I would add VS to this also but afaik they are on exis side now. With Jenova dying a slow death ( about time too), ministry imploding, it will only be a matter of time before Vgn gives up and returns to galraiding.. ( im giving it around 3 days tops btw).

So tick 306 and noone has trhe balls to fight exi except a returning ally with 50 or so members. Well i know anti and i know destiny and althought it may not be pretty and the odds are stacked against them (80+ top class exi members) all i can say is at least they will have the balls to give Exi some incs. Best of luck to them and the rest should be ashamed

80+ top class players.. erm we have 1 top class player, BaSSe and around 60 ish ok players.. and ofc 1 shitty player, Cardinal :P

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

Did vgn actually hit exi? thought they just napped both sides and went for the roids?

yes they ARE doing so

[Tesla]

Originally Posted by EmmaB

ministry imploding

We havent imploded, we havent disbanded and we havent quit. Check sandmans if u dont believe me. We got raped for a few days, shit happens. And believe it or not our lives do not end if eX wins this rnd, although someone else than eX winning for once would be "refreshing".

[gr33n]

Originally Posted by Cartman

and ofc 1 shitty player, Cardinal :P

was a bit too predictable Cartman

[BlueArmy]

Originally Posted by Cartman

80+ top class players.. erm we have 1 top class player, BaSSe and around 60 ish ok players.. and ofc 1 shitty player, Cardinal :P




yes they ARE doing so

zomg!
guess what, BaSSe is ministry arby protected!!
FENCESITTER AHOY!

[Odyssey]

Originally Posted by EmmaB

I think what Anti is hinting at is that Destiny went into this round with 40-50 members with no political agenda, and yet somehow, other well established allies have either given up or imploded leaving Destiny as the only other main contender to fight exi. I would add VS to this also but afaik they are on exis side now. With Jenova dying a slow death ( about time too), ministry imploding, it will only be a matter of time before Vgn gives up and returns to galraiding.. ( im giving it around 3 days tops btw).

So tick 306 and noone has trhe balls to fight exi except a returning ally with 50 or so members. Well i know anti and i know destiny and althought it may not be pretty and the odds are stacked against them (80+ top class exi members) all i can say is at least they will have the balls to give Exi some incs. Best of luck to them and the rest should be ashamed

Retarded women is the best animals there is.

[Alki]

Originally Posted by Cartman

stuff

care to reply to my post?

[Heartless]

Sandmans says it is pt 314. And the whole opposition roles over. Amusing. What has this game degrated itself to?

[BlueArmy]

Originally Posted by Heartless

Sandmans says it is pt 314. And the whole opposition roles over. Amusing. What has this game degrated itself to?

its not like it used to be in our old glory days mate... back then fencesitting was looked down on, now it's the ultimate goal to be protected by everyone and their mother... and roid newbs...
dont fight a war!

[Assassin]

Originally Posted by EmmaB

I think what Anti is hinting at is that Destiny went into this round with 40-50 members with no political agenda, and yet somehow, other well established allies have either given up or imploded leaving Destiny as the only other main contender to fight exi. I would add VS to this also but afaik they are on exis side now. With Jenova dying a slow death ( about time too), ministry imploding, it will only be a matter of time before Vgn gives up and returns to galraiding.. ( im giving it around 3 days tops btw).

So tick 306 and noone has trhe balls to fight exi except a returning ally with 50 or so members. Well i know anti and i know destiny and althought it may not be pretty and the odds are stacked against them (80+ top class exi members) all i can say is at least they will have the balls to give Exi some incs. Best of luck to them and the rest should be ashamed

Pardon? Destiny never entered this round with any pollitcal agenda at all? Wasnt this the same Antigone that was running around trying to prepare people for exi returning and trying to round up blocks against them? But ive heard Game and teddy are running the pollitical plans now in Destiny anyway so ill leave that discusion as it is.

Jenova ill agree we have had a lot of set backs this round. But i can inform you (to your dissapointment) We wont be dead just yet. And it is turning out to be quite dissapointing exi are dominating once more. But, i might add, VGN Ministry and Jenova never 'sat back' and allowed them to. Far from it. Infact, all 3 of us rejected an offer to have an avoidence agreement from Exi. And of course we tried to attack them, instead of sitting back like most of the universe did. Even though we (Jenova) are having major problems at the moment we still turned that offer down. But, how did the rest of the universe do? ive even heard rumours before Destiny stood upto the battle field, while exi were roiding us, they had one of these agreements for the time been. Any truth to this? If not fair enough. if so then it makes this whole thread quite laughable. Ill leave that at that.

Problem is a lot of alliances these days work as flak. Or they avoid the wars totally. Hopefully this round will start to improve and get a bit more interesting. And maybe somone will take the win away from Exil. Only time will tell. Anyway thought i would respond to this lovely thread, i now have to keep my tiny community occupied. toodlepip.

[Illuvatar]

Originally Posted by Assassin

Pardon? Destiny never entered this round with any pollitcal agenda at all? Wasnt this the same Antigone that was running around trying to prepare people for exi returning and trying to round up blocks against them? ive even heard rumours before Destiny stood upto the battle field, while exi were roiding us, they had one of these agreements for the time been. Any truth to this? If not fair enough. if so then it makes this whole thread quite laughable. Ill leave that at that.

laughable is what you are just posting here. I know who I talked to and this was one guy preround. If your intel is from Foxman then you might realise that this is pure propaganda. Maybe you get a clue on what you are saying first!

[Gio2k]

We need that glorious beacon of light called Ascendancy to come back and show us how to beat eX.
And ffs Anti, you really have the shittiest timing. I was thinking about going early to bed tonight. Now i have to stay up for coord release :/
How uncool.

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Assassin

Pardon? Destiny never entered this round with any pollitcal agenda at all? Wasnt this the same Antigone that was running around trying to prepare people for exi returning and trying to round up blocks against them? But ive heard Game and teddy are running the pollitical plans now in Destiny anyway so ill leave that discusion as it is.

We went into the round with NO relations at all. We infact went to great lengths to make sure other alliances were aware of this fact, and we were also hopeful that other alliances of simular size and ilk would do the same, to allow for dynamic political play through the round, against what seemed to be the two sides of eXi vs V/M/J. We thought that in terms of skill/commitment vs numbers (talking very loosely here of course) this would be a fairly 'even' fight if they 3 alliances managed to arrange themselves in a semi organised fashion.

Jenova ill agree we have had a lot of set backs this round. But i can inform you (to your dissapointment) We wont be dead just yet. And it is turning out to be quite dissapointing exi are dominating once more. But, i might add, VGN Ministry and Jenova never 'sat back' and allowed them to.

This is the part where I start to get very confused with politics this round. As eXi didnt defend eachother for the first 300 ticks, and appartently had 3 alliances against them, yet somehow managed to gain some 30 top 100 planets. You may not have accepted the offer of a NAP, but you can't possibly tell me you were all out gunning for them.

But, how did the rest of the universe do? ive even heard rumours before Destiny stood upto the battle field, while exi were roiding us, they had one of these agreements for the time been. Any truth to this? If not fair enough. if so then it makes this whole thread quite laughable. Ill leave that at that.

Don't make me laugh Assassin :/

Problem is a lot of alliances these days work as flak. Or they avoid the wars totally. Hopefully this round will start to improve and get a bit more interesting. And maybe somone will take the win away from Exil. Only time will tell. Anyway thought i would respond to this lovely thread, i now have to keep my tiny community occupied. toodlepip.

It will be certainly interesting if VS decide to play next round and eXi don't. I for one wouldn't want to put myself out to work with them, after they went running to eXi for an alliance before the round even started.

(note that before the round started eXi's side was more than likely eXi+VS+Insom, makes Cartman's moaning about 'blocks' very amusing indeed)

[Kargool]

Seing this round as it is now is abit like seing the Norweigan top division mid 90ties, everyone wanted someone else than Rosenborg to win, but nobody was anywhere near the capacity, capability and force.

Congratulations eXi

[Tesla]

Originally Posted by Kargool

Seing this round as it is now is abit like seing the Norweigan top division mid 90ties, everyone wanted someone else than Rosenborg to win, but nobody was anywhere near the capacity, capability and force.

Congratulations eXi

If people stopped with their own agendas and/or being willing to suck eX cock to avoid incs themselves then eX would of been beaten this rnd. But as I said already alot of the HCs in pa are narrowminded and cant see any further than their nosetip.

[Cartman]

Originally Posted by Tesla

If people stopped with their own agendas and/or being willing to suck eX cock to avoid incs themselves then eX would of been beaten this rnd. But as I said already alot of the HCs in pa are narrowminded and cant see any further than their nosetip.

ehm Tesla seems like u cannot say that about all anymore, not after u got ND, Destiny and Rock into ur block...

Originally Posted by Game^

It will be certainly interesting if VS decide to play next round and eXi don't. I for one wouldn't want to put myself out to work with them, after they went running to eXi for an alliance before the round even started.

(note that before the round started eXi's side was more than likely eXi+VS+Insom, makes Cartman's moaning about 'blocks' very amusing indeed)

erm think u got ur info mixed up Game, there has never been anythin other than talks with VS after we saw the block emerge, and as for insomnia some of our scanners helped em with scans(not hard to understand since several has Ins background), nothing more nothing less..

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Cartman

ehm Tesla seems like u cannot say that about all anymore, not after u got ND, Destiny and Rock into ur block...

This happened after said alliances realised you had yourself formed your own block preround. Totally going against what the notion of a 'fair' fight.

erm think u got ur info mixed up Game, there has never been anythin other than talks with VS after we saw the block emerge, and as for insomnia some of our scanners helped em with scans(not hard to understand since several has Ins background), nothing more nothing less..

VS HC have confirmed there were agreements from 'very early' on in the round (i actually believe it was preround but hey), and which block are you talking about Cartman, the one formed now or the one formed by M/J/V early on?

Will be interesting now to see what other alliances go running to the aid of eXilition in the vain hope they recieve a form of protection from them, I've already heard rumours of Subh offering their support if needed...

[qebab]

I would pity you for all your troubles Game^, but there isn't enough of me for so many people.

[Cartman]

Originally Posted by Game^

This happened after said alliances realised you had yourself formed your own block preround. Totally going against what the notion of a 'fair' fight.

Thats just plain bullshit. First of all, 4 allies against 1 is not a 'fair fight'.
Secondly we never had such a block, simply talks with 1 ally and some of our scanners scanning for another.. saying that is a block is kinda far out.

Originally Posted by Game^

VS HC have confirmed there were agreements from 'very early' on in the round (i actually believe it was preround but hey), and which block are you talking about Cartman, the one formed now or the one formed by M/J/V early on?

I sincerly doubt any HC would confirm any agreements with eX due to the fact that ur bigass block would put them in the spotlight.. and im talking about the growth of the M/J/V block, Jen going out and 3 allies comming in.

Originally Posted by Game^

Will be interesting now to see what other alliances go running to the aid of eXilition in the vain hope they recieve a form of protection from them, I've already heard rumours of Subh offering their support if needed...

Alot of nice rumours but like ive stated before.. we wont act until forced, but then again now that ur block is even bigger than before action needs to be taken i guess

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Cartman

Thats just plain bullshit. First of all, 4 allies against 1 is not a 'fair fight'.
Secondly we never had such a block, simply talks with 1 ally and some of our scanners scanning for another.. saying that is a block is kinda far out.

Which 4 alliances are you refering to?

And it was/would have been a fair fight in terms of skill/dedication vs semi-dedication/numbers.

I sincerly doubt any HC would confirm any agreements with eX due to the fact that ur bigass block would put them in the spotlight.. and im talking about the growth of the M/J/V block, Jen going out and 3 allies comming in.

The growth of the 'block' happened after it was confirmed you had been working with VS/Insom from at least 'very early' and at most preround.

Alot of nice rumours but like ive stated before.. we wont act until forced, but then again now that ur block is even bigger than before action needs to be taken i guess

Yes because god forsake eXi might actually have to prove that they are indeed the best alliance. Fair fights aren't about number of members vs number of members Cartman, please try to realise this...

[Foxman]

i would just like to announce that we have never confirmed something like this, nor will do, as we simply aint allied. get your facts straight Game and stop lying.

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Foxman

i would just like to announce that we have never confirmed something like this, nor will do, as we simply aint allied. get your facts straight Game and stop lying.

So you are offically stating that you and eXi have NO arrangements at all from pt120 onwards at least...

Maybe you should talk to your fellow HC members who are passing the blame for the decision onto you

[Foxman]

[11:48:53] Kevin Wintle : oh yeah ofc
[11:48:54] Kevin Wintle : hehe
[11:49:13] Kevin Wintle : im presuming it was eXi+VS+Insom preround

"presuming" says it all

[qebab]

The straw that broke the camels back was when eXilition allied the boogieman. And we still have yet to ally Count Dracula! When will it end!?

[Lockhead]

You weren't meant to post any of that Foxman

I'd like to state that we've not had any ties but friendship since the round started.

And friendships does not include eXi but a lot of other alliances / galaxies we have been "avoiding".

Game has been presuming a lot of things..without knowing for sure.

I dont like that the "universe" is giving up. Like Antigone and Game are doing.
We've had similar situations before and there are always ways to fight.

[HRH_H_Crab]

Thats just plain bullshit. First of all, 4 allies against 1 is not a 'fair fight'.

I'm not making any confirmation that any such block exists, but shouldn't we wait until the outcome of the battles before making an assessment about whether or not the fight was fair?

After all this is probably the games best alliance we are talking about, and if Exi prevail and the 4 alliances are trounced, then yeah, we can say it wasn't a fair fight, but not in the sense you are talking about!

Ofc, this assumes that the 4 alliances in question are even close to properly coordinating attacks against your guys, and aren't actually pussyfooting about as 99% of your opponents have done in previous rounds.

[Cartman]

Game u need to stop basing things on what santa whispers in ur ear and get facts, basing a big block like that on rumours someone heard someone said they had heared is bs.. ur no better than Bush tbh

[Gio2k]

Are we so shit we can't beat eX + VS?
If eX manages every round to get alliances on their side, they must be doing something right, and the rest must be screwing up big time.
Look, it's pretty easy. Ministry and Jenova say they are not dead, they just have no roids. That puts them in a very good position, they now can hit eX or VS as they like, without getting much incomings in return, since eX surely must have all hands full with Destiny + VGN + those other 3 alliances supposedly hitting them.
We really need someone like Sid to come back and work some politics in this joke of a game PA is becoming :/

[Gio2k]

Originally Posted by Lockhead

I dont like that the "universe" is giving up. Like Antigone and Game are doing.
We've had similar situations before and there are always ways to fight.

Lol. Giving up. Ask your eX mates if they happened to get Destiny incomings :P

[Cartman]

Originally Posted by Gio2k

Lol. Giving up. Ask your eX mates if they happened to get Destiny incomings :P

ye we got inc from Destiny, ND, VGN, Rock, Jenova, Ministry + some random galinc.. Game talking about numbers aint an issue because we are so skilled is so funny 340 players against 62, 1020 fleets against 186... But we are up for the fight.. we have fought such numbers before and we can do it again..
always outnumbered, never outgunned!

[Gio2k]

Originally Posted by Cartman

ye we got inc from Destiny, ND, VGN, Rock, Jenova, Ministry + some random galinc.. Game talking about numbers aint an issue because we are so skilled is so funny 340 players against 62, 1020 fleets against 186... But we are up for the fight.. we have fought such numbers before and we can do it again..
always outnumbered, never outgunned!

Oh c'mon. Don't come play the martyr in here. If you are so outnumbered (1000 fleets against 182), how come you have covered 3 waves on planets with 3 def fleets per wave? How come you aren't even in the red today?

[HRH_H_Crab]

But we are up for the fight.. we have fought such numbers before and we can do it again..
always outnumbered, never outgunned!

Well so far despite the incs, it looks like you guys are gaining.

Lets hope that your opponents dont give up, or its going to be more of the same old same old... *yawn*
Im hoping that at least one of your opponents will have the balls to sacrifice their own rank this round, for the kudos of being the alliance that stood up to Exi. History has proved this to be an unlikely scenario, but it's got to be worth a try, just for shits and giggles...

[Lockhead]

Originally Posted by Gio2k

We really need someone like Sid to come back and work some politics in this joke of a game PA is becoming :/

I agree here.

Too many n00bs in politics arround...

Not honoring trust, friendship, goals and fun of the game.

@topic: Yes, eX got hit hard last night with many ppl targetting them. But seeing that VGN, etc. brought in HR and HA as flak to hit VS makes me wonder who is "blocking" here :/

[qebab]

Originally Posted by Gio2k

Oh c'mon. Don't come play the martir in here. If you are so outnumbered (1000 fleets against 182), how come you have covered 3 waves on planets with 3 def fleets per wave? How come you aren't even in the red today?

Why, we wouldn't know. Maybe you've got your coords all wrong and are hitting each other. Maybe our members actually defend. Maybe, just maybe, the logistics of managing such a large block drastically reduces the efficiency of any major operation. And maybe we're not in the red because we attack, and defend and are quite good at it.

Edit: And then there's this whole crashing thing that helps a bit also.

[Heartless]

Scan planets with viper fleets played by lithuanian friends, anyone?

[qebab]

Originally Posted by Heartless

Scan planets with viper fleets played by lithuanian friends, anyone?

I haven't seen any, and you know me better than to think I would lie about this.

[Cartman]

Originally Posted by Heartless

Scan planets with viper fleets played by lithuanian friends, anyone?

someone leaning on old rumours fun to see them come up again.. always does when somebody is fighting eX.. the reason i see em as amusing is that this always comes up when someone is giving up and as a last effort try to throw some dirt at the eX tag

[Gio2k]

Originally Posted by qebab

Why, we wouldn't know. Maybe you've got your coords all wrong and are hitting each other. Maybe our members actually defend. Maybe, just maybe, the logistics of managing such a large block drastically reduces the efficiency of any major operation. And maybe we're not in the red because we attack, and defend and are quite good at it.

Edit: And then there's this whole crashing thing that helps a bit also.

Or maybe, just maybe, we are not talking about 1000 vs 180 fleets. As i said, you are probably getting a lot of incs at the moment, but don't overdo it :P
I think you may have gotten the equivalent of 200 decent attack fleets tonight, and that's a very optimistic approximation. With that amount of incomings, i would have expected eX to be at least 10% in the red, even with your great skills in defending and attacking.

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Foxman

[11:48:53] Kevin Wintle : oh yeah ofc
[11:48:54] Kevin Wintle : hehe
[11:49:13] Kevin Wintle : im presuming it was eXi+VS+Insom preround

"presuming" says it all

Maybe you should paste the entire of the conversation to get some context on what was said.

It was stated that Insom and Exi were just 'sharing scanners' earlier in the round.

Insom's biggest members then all join VS.

VS HC then confirms that they have been working with eXi from 'very early on'.

VS and eXi seem to share a high number of galaxies from BP's.

Given all of the above, it's not exactly out of order to presume this was all decided pre-round.

I could of course paste direct logs, but i'd imagine you'd want to be saved from the embrassment Foxman, so in short stop lying or stop posting, your choice.

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Cartman

Game u need to stop basing things on what santa whispers in ur ear and get facts, basing a big block like that on rumours someone heard someone said they had heared is bs.. ur no better than Bush tbh

It's ironic really that this is what you based your relations with Insom and VS on. Thinking that we were all working together against the big nasty eXi from tick 1.

[Ziw]

Originally Posted by Game^

Maybe you should paste the entire of the conversation to get some context on what was said.

It was stated that Insom and Exi were just 'sharing scanners' earlier in the round.

Insom's biggest members then all join VS.

VS HC then confirms that they have been working with eXi from 'very early on'.

VS and eXi seem to share a high number of galaxies from BP's.

Given all of the above, it's not exactly out of order to presume this was all decided pre-round.

I could of course paste direct logs, but i'd imagine you'd want to be saved from the embrassment Foxman, so in short stop lying or stop posting, your choice.

(14:17:34) —› now talking in (#insomnia)
(14:17:34) —› topic: Still here, still drunkt. Welcome to InSomnia. (Oh, and game, welcome to the secret exi-ins coperation chan=) )
(14:17:34) —› set by: Ziw (Friday, September 14th 2007, 17:46:36)

congrats you are SO right

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Cartman

ye we got inc from Destiny, ND, VGN, Rock, Jenova, Ministry + some random galinc.. Game talking about numbers aint an issue because we are so skilled is so funny 340 players against 62, 1020 fleets against 186... But we are up for the fight.. we have fought such numbers before and we can do it again..
always outnumbered, never outgunned!

Why do you choose to not involve VS in these figures?

Also id imagine the actually truely 'active' players within these alliances are fairly even, with eXi having the advantage of having alot less intra-alliance relations to deal with.

[Foxman]

Originally Posted by Game^

Maybe you should paste the entire of the conversation to get some context on what was said.

It was stated that Insom and Exi were just 'sharing scanners' earlier in the round.

Insom's biggest members then all join VS.

VS HC then confirms that they have been working with eXi from 'very early on'.

VS and eXi seem to share a high number of galaxies from BP's.

Given all of the above, it's not exactly out of order to presume this was all decided pre-round.

I could of course paste direct logs, but i'd imagine you'd want to be saved from the embrassment Foxman, so in short stop lying or stop posting, your choice.

i paste what lock gave me, and strange that the hc thats supposed to have confirmed this, denies it himself...

For BP's, every member in VS were allowed to join whatever BP they wanted, none of the hc had anything with this at all, feel free to pm whatever member u want Game. so either our members do the politics... or maybe we do not share such a high amount of BPs with them anyways?

Edit: and incase u dont know, every member of Insomnia applied for VS as all others, we took those we wanted, refused the rest, not a single one of the Insomnia members have any hc or officer positions in VS, so how can their supposed early political deals affect us?

Why Insomnia wanted to join with us... well im sure Jinstarro and Mek are better suited for answering that then me, i guess the fact that we were small had alot to do with it.

[Cartman]

We based info on spy's high up in diff allies, u base info on what u think u heard a VS hc said AND of rumours on the forum regarding eX + Ins.. there is quite a big difference.. and ye most likely some of ur players is inactive.. but not more than 20% at most.. still alot more...

so want to ask a question, is destiny joining the block because of eXi looking to big OR is it as u threatned me on irc with because i said anti had run around asking allies to block (which also has confirmed by sev other HCs on this forum)

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Cartman

so want to ask a question, is destiny joining the block because of eXi looking to big

Were joining because we felt you needed NO allies to win this round. Yet you decided you did and as such gave yourself a big advantage, this needs to be corrected.

OR is it as u threatned me on irc with because i said anti had run around asking allies to block (which also has confirmed by sev other HCs on this forum)

That was in reference to you suggesting many times earlier in the round we were in this block already (which we werent at the time). I simply told you that if you wanted it to be true carry on posting what you were, or if you wanted us to stay out of it for the time being to stop posting, which you did.

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Foxman

i paste what lock gave me, and strange that the hc thats supposed to have confirmed this, denies it himself...

Check your mail

Edit: and incase u dont know, every member of Insomnia applied for VS as all others, we took those we wanted, refused the rest, not a single one of the Insomnia members have any hc or officer positions in VS, so how can their supposed early political deals affect us?

Why Insomnia wanted to join with us... well im sure Jinstarro and Mek are better suited for answering that then me, i guess the fact that we were small had alot to do with it.

I'd imagine because your political viewpoint at the time strongly resembled their's and so allowed them to carry on as they were, but instead in an alliance with better tools/officer support.

[Cain]

Dear mother of the russian jihad !
game, stop your whining and start playing

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Cain

Dear mother of the russian jihad !
game, stop your whining and start playing

At what point am I whining?

I'm simply stating the field of play as it stands now, and commenting upon it. If people feel the need to lie/post without knowing I will correct that, to ensure it doesn't deter from the truth.

[Cain]

I doubt there are much people out there that care if there is being lied yes or no. Its a wargame fs, do you expect everyone to be perfectly honest with you? That would help making any war easier tbh. Instead of trying to look like a bright little kid here you should focus on being the bright little kid ingame with ships that spread your holy words.

[Illuvatar]

Originally Posted by Cartman

We based info on spy's high up in diff allies, u base info on what u think u heard a VS hc said AND of rumours on the forum regarding eX + Ins.. there is quite a big difference.. and ye most likely some of ur players is inactive.. but not more than 20% at most.. still alot more...

so want to ask a question, is destiny joining the block because of eXi looking to big OR is it as u threatned me on irc with because i said anti had run around asking allies to block (which also has confirmed by sev other HCs on this forum)

Make it public, post logs Cartman of those hc's who actually confirm that I talked to them preround about a block vs. exilition! Just do it and prove it!

VS: Lockhead himself admitted that they are napped to exilition...I got logs of it - its german.

Now prove me wrong if you can..