so Conspiracy theory care to comment

[aNgRyDuCk]

A good General only fights battles he already knows he can win. When that hostility is iminent, you have to put your members in the best possible position you can. I'm sure each alliance had that in mind in making their moves.

As I said in another thread, we're not here, nor do we feel responsible to "entertain" others

[Gio2k]

Planet targetting only works if one allliance is decently better than the other.
The sole object of planet targetting an alliance is to crack them in as few nights as possible (2-3 nights usually) to get them off your back and resume growth, because this kind of warfare is not beneficial to the winning alliance.
I don't think VGN, Destiny or CT are in that position.

[jt25man]

Originally Posted by aNgRyDuCk

As I said in another thread, we're not here, nor do we feel responsible to "entertain" others

But you do it so well, even if unintentionally.

[Gio2k]

Originally Posted by qebab

Bottom line is, Willzzz, that if your alliance expects (or more importantly, wants) recognition as a great, or good alliance, they need to play in a way the community finds fitting for such an alliance. If your alliance don't want or expect this, then stop acting as if you are surprised by the reaction in the community to the round.

The first round 1up played the community accused them of having poached all the quality members from the rest of the alliances.
The first round eX played the community accused them of reintroducing block wars and cheating.
The round Ascendancy won the community flamed them for exploiting the stats and the XP formula, they never fought a war.

In the end, a win is a win. Whether the community wants to acknowledge it or not is irrelevant.

[qebab]

Originally Posted by Gio2k

In the end, a win is a win. Whether the community wants to acknowledge it or not is irrelevant.

Thanks, that was exactly my point. I am not saying it will not be a win, I am saying people from the top 3 alliances should stop acting as if they expect any recognition for playing in a way the community clearly don't appreciate.

[aNgRyDuCk]

Originally Posted by qebab

Thanks, that was exactly my point. I am not saying it will not be a win, I am saying people from the top 3 alliances should stop acting as if they expect any recognition for playing in a way the community clearly don't appreciate.

I can't speak for Destiny or VGN, but I know in CT we don't ask for, or require recognition, if we do pull this round out, we are a round winner, just like any other alliance who has taken home a win. The same goes for Destiny and VGN ofcourse.

We would have earned our place among other round winners (as would VGN if they pull it out). Sometimes you have high scoring games with a lot of fireworks, sometimes there isn't a lot of scoring, and it's a more down in the dirt type of game, either way at the end...someone wins. It really doesn't matter how they got there, they got there.

Really no point in exploring this further imo until the ticks stop and someone has earned the trophy. They will have earned it, as they have outscored the opposition.

edit: spelling

Once that happens, I'm sure everyone can debate it till they are tired of doing so and move on to another topic.

[Gio2k]

Originally Posted by qebab

Thanks, that was exactly my point. I am not saying it will not be a win, I am saying people from the top 3 alliances should stop acting as if they expect any recognition for playing in a way the community clearly don't appreciate.

My point, on the other hand, is that the community never gave recognition to any alliance, not even to 1up or eX until they had won at least 2 rounds. So why are you making such a fuss about this win having the "recognition" of the community.

[furball]

A win is a win, assuming it occurs without mass recruiting (let's think back to Round 10 here) or some other kind of tomfoolery. However, if you want recognition as a good or great alliance, you have to win by a distance, as opposed to grinding out a win by a few million score.

I think it'll take until Round 21 or 22 to see if such an alliance has emerged from the ashes of the 1up/eXilition era. There's certainly no evidence of one so far, especially when considering the lack of political play all round.

[aNgRyDuCk]

I'd agree that a great alliance should have to win multiple times, or consistantly

one win is just that... 1 win...no one (from CT atleast) is asking them to clear out a wing in the PA hall of fame

[Wandows]

Its not just the amount of wins, but also the way that has been won. This round doesnt even come close to a interesting (let alone spectacular) one in terms of fighting between the top, and that is what makes ppl remember a alliance. I doubt more wins like the current round would mean ppl will view you as a great alliance, they probably will be more inclined to quit due to the boring political climate created by these "top" alliances.

Whether you like it or not (at least you do not care), the fights between the top alliances are always the main source for speculation and discussion in the community. Without these fights the whole PA "feeling" will simple die (if there is any left at this point that is).

[Sjor]

Originally Posted by furball

If Sjor is actually trying to say that VGN can't win now, I'm going to seriously consider disavowing all knowledge of ever having been a part of them.


Honestly. You guys should have a lot of stockpiled resources, let's see how things look once you've spent them.

furb its a close run
if round would last 1 week longer vgn would win even if we face at elast 3 alliances now
but the fact taht we held 11 of top 20 roid positions and that a single ETD land on one of those planets gives the attacker a lot of XP makes it a bit hard to keep up with the score

i jsut stole 7k co and payed for it 70 roids. could have stole all but the noob system makes stealing of last pods very expensive

the target that lost 270k value gained a bit score so thats just fun

[Sjor]

Originally Posted by furball

A win is a win, assuming it occurs without mass recruiting (let's think back to Round 10 here) or some other kind of tomfoolery. However, if you want recognition as a good or great alliance, you have to win by a distance, as opposed to grinding out a win by a few million score.

I think it'll take until Round 21 or 22 to see if such an alliance has emerged from the ashes of the 1up/eXilition era. There's certainly no evidence of one so far, especially when considering the lack of political play all round.

mass recruiting is just another way to win
any top 5 ally would have won the round if it had 10 good xp planets as they would have low value and could have been added in the end
makes at least 20M score they bring with them.

2 rounds ago u wasnt even allowed to have scanners out of tag
it all changes and becomes legal

and the later u tag the more chances u have to win
so fu** the allainces and the community this game has

[isildurx]

Maybe you have the biggest value planets because you didnt adapt to this round and see that xp is the way to go. If value had been more of a way to go, im sure you wouldnt have 11\20 top roids.

[Alki]

the top 10 begs to differ

[isildurx]

Ally wise its smarter to look at the top 100

[Sjor]

Originally Posted by isildurx

Maybe you have the biggest value planets because you didnt adapt to this round and see that xp is the way to go. If value had been more of a way to go, im sure you wouldnt have 11\20 top roids.

yeah time for me to go
on friday im definately stopping to play

has been nice playing with u all

[jerome]

my only complaint is that there no longer is any real top-tier alliance left in planetarion, and i can't see any of the current ones progressing to be one either. with regards to duck's earlier comment;

Originally Posted by aNgRyDuCk

I'd agree that a great alliance should have to win multiple times, or consistantly

Xanadu, Eclipse - they didn't win multiple rounds or consistently yet seen as top-tier/great alliances. why? because they played like it, this is what i mean by my only complaint aforementioned. ah well round too far from ending at last, at least.

[lokken]

last round was a value round, this wasn't I'm not sure what the problem with value is. The winner will be a value player most likely.

[jerome]

the problem is that the round is too short, simple as that, for value to pay off in the end. in addition to that, there isn't one single huge alliance as there usually is with exi/1up with a ton of roids on their planets which would occupy most of the top rankings and earn more than what xp based players would - though vgn partially achieve this, but fall off since it's only a few they have and the rest are far less impressive.

[Sjor]

Originally Posted by jerome

the problem is that the round is too short, simple as that, for value to pay off in the end. in addition to that, there isn't one single huge alliance as there usually is with exi/1up with a ton of roids on their planets which would occupy most of the top rankings and earn more than what xp based players would - though vgn partially achieve this, but fall off since it's only a few they have and the rest are far less impressive.

the problem is having to many problems and trying to satisfy ppl on several levels what aint working

[Amycus]

Maybe we should just go back to r2 stats and just be done with it.

[Rinoa]

Or a 65 man a side game of the playground classic 'British bulldogs'?

[Furbie_Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Amycus

Maybe we should just go back to r2 stats and just be done with it.

That would be a sound idea. And get rid of prelaunching so I have someone to talk to all night. Maybe add some nostalgia with a nightly server-burp too.