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wu_trax · 23 Oct 2003, 20:18

and help to fight terrorism:

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WASHINGTON ? The government will charge foreign students $100 to pay for a tracking system created to prevent possible terrorists from using student visas to enter the country, a federal official said Wednesday.

Asa Hutchinson, an undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security, said the onetime fee should generate more than $30 million annually for the Student and Exchange Visa Information Service.
Foreigners enrolled in a department-approved school must register with the service to enter the U.S. About 800,000 students at 8,000 schools are in the system

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...adlines-nation

im sorry, but meanwhile i start thinking ALL americans have turned insane.

Deffeh · 23 Oct 2003, 20:21

Land of the free*

Tactitus · 23 Oct 2003, 21:43

This is pretty old. The tracking of those in the country on student visas was mandated as part of the The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. The system was supposed to operational by January of 1998, but due to delays it is only now coming on line. The problem then (and now) is that there was no way to know if someone in the US on a student visa was actually attending school. Since 9/11, people have cited this provision as an anti-terrorism measure, but I don't think that was the original intent.

In any case, what's the big deal? The fee is nominal and simply requires that schools send a yearly confirmation to the INS (or whatever it's called these days) saying that so-and-so who is in the country on a student visa is attending their school.

Granted, as an anti-terrorism measure, it's pretty silly--but that wasn't its intent.

Azof · 23 Oct 2003, 22:22

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Originally Posted by wu_trax

and help to fight terrorism:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...adlines-nation

im sorry, but meanwhile i start thinking ALL americans have turned insane.

I''ve stopped taking any* of your posts seriously as you see every act of the US government as "insane" "ridiculous" or "dumb" etc. I know you're anti-american but at least find better things to bash.

*Ok, maybe not that absolute

Intrepid00 · 23 Oct 2003, 22:25

You don't have to come here you know.

wu_trax · 23 Oct 2003, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Azof

I''ve stopped taking any* of your posts seriously as you see every act of the US government as "insane" "ridiculous" or "dumb" etc. I know you're anti-american but at least find better things to bash.

*Ok, maybe not that absolute

no, no, there was something bush did i agreed with. i forgot what it was though, but there was something. that did even surprise me.
and just today i tryed to defend bush for his economical policy (well, i still think his whole tax-reform is somewhat stupid, but we discussed about if bush alone was to blame for the current budget-deficit of the us. clinton did some really stupid things aswell.)

wu_trax · 23 Oct 2003, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Intrepid00

You don't have to come here you know.

i wont, you can be sure of that. ive heared more than enough stories from people who did go to the us.

Intrepid00 · 23 Oct 2003, 22:34

So why are you bitching or give a shit?

Bunga · 23 Oct 2003, 23:25

Would you bitch if you saw a huge asteroid heading for Earth with people living on it? I mean, surely they can plot whatever course they want, can't they? It's their asteroid.

Things do not happen in isolation.

Weeks · 23 Oct 2003, 23:34

HAHAHA
This makes America comedy central. (at not with...)

wu_trax · 23 Oct 2003, 23:51

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Originally Posted by Intrepid00

So why are you bitching or give a shit?

that is indeed a good question, why do i care at all about what happens to the us? i should just ignore the whole problem for the future.

Tactitus · 24 Oct 2003, 00:09

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Originally Posted by wu_trax

that is indeed a good question, why do i care at all about what happens to the us? i should just ignore the whole problem for the future.

But you won't.

You'll be back next week with a link to an article about how Bush ties his left shoe before his right, or something equally sinister.

Super · 24 Oct 2003, 00:15

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Originally Posted by Tactitus

This is pretty old. The tracking of those in the country on student visas was mandated as part of the The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. The system was supposed to operational by January of 1998, but due to delays it is only now coming on line. The problem then (and now) is that there was no way to know if someone in the US on a student visa was actually attending school. Since 9/11, people have cited this provision as an anti-terrorism measure, but I don't think that was the original intent.

In any case, what's the big deal? The fee is nominal and simply requires that schools send a yearly confirmation to the INS (or whatever it's called these days) saying that so-and-so who is in the country on a student visa is attending their school.

Granted, as an anti-terrorism measure, it's pretty silly--but that wasn't its intent.

Do you disagree with ANYTHING the Bush adminstration have done? Or are in the process of doing :/

wu_trax · 24 Oct 2003, 00:32

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Originally Posted by Tactitus

But you won't.

You'll be back next week with a link to an article about how Bush ties his left shoe before his right, or something equally sinister.

i promise, i will attempt to ignore everything that doesnt affect me. so, if you want to live in a paranoid police state thats fine with me.
but if there is a foreign affair bush ruins or bush finds yet another way to ruin your economy ill let you know

wu_trax · 24 Oct 2003, 00:34

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Originally Posted by Super

Do you disagree with ANYTHING the Bush adminstration have done? Or are in the process of doing :/

i guess its just normal that people try to defend their country from from freign critics.
i usually do the same thing

, cant stop it

Tactitus · 24 Oct 2003, 01:31

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Originally Posted by Super

Do you disagree with ANYTHING the Bush adminstration have done? Or are in the process of doing :/

The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 was signed by Bill Clinton. But hey, don't let any facts get in the way of a good anti-Bush rant.

Intrepid00 · 24 Oct 2003, 02:15

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Originally Posted by wu_trax

i promise, i will attempt to ignore everything that doesnt affect me. so, if you want to live in a paranoid police state thats fine with me.
but if there is a foreign affair bush ruins or bush finds yet another way to ruin your economy ill let you know

This isn't a foriegn affair though. Its domestic.

wu_trax · 24 Oct 2003, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Tactitus

But hey, don't let any facts get in the way of a good anti-Bush rant.

now, thats the spirit

Idler · 24 Oct 2003, 11:48

"So that the left hand knows what the right hand says"

I do hope I wasnt the only one who saw that at letterman a while back

MrL_JaKiri · 24 Oct 2003, 11:50

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Originally Posted by Weeks

HAHAHA
This makes America comedy central. (at not with...)

What, attempting to verify that foreign students are actually students, so they're not illegally using the student visa?

Am I the only one here from europe who doesn't have a problem with this idea?

Torz · 24 Oct 2003, 11:59

sounds reasonable to me

roadrunner_0 · 24 Oct 2003, 12:01

i dont either, once you have all the facts, it actually makes sense that they are making sure that they arent just getting these ppl over there, doing nothing
it would be pretty silly as an anti terrorism defence though

Structural Integrity · 24 Oct 2003, 12:03

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

What, attempting to verify that foreign students are actually students, so they're not illegally using the student visa?

Am I the only one here from europe who doesn't have a problem with this idea?

No.
But why do they call it "terrorist prevention", and not "immigrant control" then?
Well?

MrL_JaKiri · 24 Oct 2003, 12:07

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Originally Posted by Structural Integrity

No.
But why do they call it "terrorist prevention", and not "immigrant control" then?
Well?

Because it's the bush administration, and it will get people going 'WOW THEY'RE REALLY AGAINST TERROR VOTE FOR HIM!'

Idler · 24 Oct 2003, 12:12

http://www.arnoldgovernor.net/

"I come from Austria, a socialist country. There you can hear 18-year-olds talking about their pension. . . . Individualism is incompatible with socialism. I felt I had to come to America where the government wasn't always breathing down your neck or standing on your shoes."

yes..ofcourse

Regarding Proposition 13: "I told Warren if he mentioned Proposition 13 one more time, he has to do 500 sit-ups."

and so on

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