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RPS · 23 Dec 2003, 00:00

First off i'd like to start off by saying how much I enjoyed this round. Despite what you may think, It's actually been a fair bit of work logging on every tick, finding suitable targets calcing etc. etc. but at the same time i've had none of the stress. I go to bed at night at a normal time, sleep a normal nights sleep. Never had to sort defence or worry about roids. I couldn't have asked for more.

I started the round intending to play as the as a small covert opper rather than going for ships and roids for the above reasons. I didn't bother much with stealing resources preferring the other ops and just generally anoying/hindering enemies by blowing up roids/ships, slowing research etc.

I only ever had a small fleet(1500 fighters) and when i did attack I always attacked planets much bigger than me with no fighter defence. I even managed solo to steal roids off 6:6:9 (top 10 at the time, I was maybe 2000th).

Eventually stealing resources became more effective at hurting 'the enemy' than any other covert op so thats the route I took. At first it wasn't great amounts(50k of each). Often I donated to several people in the gal. It wasn't till maybe 6 weeks ago that I really started pulling in the resources, maybe 1 mil of each, so decided to see how far i could go with it.

In the end, ranked 18th.

I kept a log of everyone I hit, something that came in very useful when investigated by the devs. They were quite satisfied that everything was in order and accountable. Below is who lost what.

Certain people were always fun to hit like 6:6:9, 10:5:2 and 7:8:4, I would always find time to hit them

No doubt you got sick of seeing my nick in your news. Credit goes to 16:4:8, you never had enough resources for me to steal

That probably saved you 2 ranking places in the end.

One thing i always found incredible was that in all the time I stole, sometimes maybe 3 mil of each in 1 tick, I never once got a message from any of them asking me to stop. Often people would carry on launching fleets, recalling etc still not spending, seemingly happy for me to take it

Reppers of DV 13:10:5

Here you go, everyone I hit, thank you and merry Christamas. Now go check how many ranks higher you could have been

1:4:4 - 12M
1:6:4 - 23.8M
1:8:5 - 26.6M
1:10:2 - 19.5M
1:10:6 - 3.2M
1:10:10 - 95.9M
2:1:7 - 0.4M
2:2:9 - 2.1M
2:4:6 - 4.3M
2:5:6 - 6.7M
2:8:8 - 3.9M
2:9:7 - 0.4M
2:10:5 - 0.3M
2:10:6 - 1.1M
2:10:7 - 45.4M
2:10:9 - 228.5M
3:2:2 - 0.6M
3:7:5 - 0.7M
3:7:8 - 1.7M
4:2:4 - 41M
4:2:9 - 67.6M
4:2:10 - 1.6M
4:9:2 - 2.5M
4:9:4 - 6.3M
4:9:5 - 3.3M
4:9:6 - 9.2M
4:9:9 - 32.2M
4:9:10 - 18M
5:6:2 - 24.5M
5:7:8 - 12.3M
5:10:10 - 7.7M
6:5:9 - 13.1M
6:6:9 - 41.6M
6:8:8 - 4.2M
6:10:2 - 4.4M
7:1:5 - 2.7M
7:2:3 - 5.6M
7:3:9 - 7.4M
7:6:7 - 2.5M
7:7:1 - 7M
7:8:2 - 0.8M
7:8:4 - 141.9M
7:8:6 - 2.9M
7:8:7 - 6.3M
8:2:5 - 37.5M
8:2:9 - 0.2M
8:4:6 - 5.9M
8:5:9 - 11.6M
8:7:8 - 5.5M
8:8:9 - 8.8M
9:5:9 - 0.3M
9:6:7 - 6.5M
9:8:2 - 3.8M
10:1:6 - 8M
10:3:4 - 4.2M
10:3:6 - 7.1M
10:5:2 - 96.9M
10:5:8 - 1.5M
10:8:1 - 6.8M
10:9:2 - 0.7M
10:9:4 - 0M
12:2:7 - 17.7M
12:4:7 - 59M
12:5:8 - 0.9M
12:7:10 - 0.9M
13:4:4 - 1.1M
13:4:9 - 94.8M
13:8:1 - 2.1M
13:8:3 - 5.9M
14:2:9 - 56.7M
14:2:10 - 1.6M
15:6:6 - 0.5M
15:8:8 - 1.5M
16:1:8 - 1.5M
16:4:3 - 8.9M
16:4:4 - 42.5M
16:4:5 - 15.2M
16:4:6 - 15.2M
16:4:8 - 5.9M
16:4:10 - 7.3M
16:6:1 - 0.1M
17:3:2 - 1.5M
17:6:9 - 2.9M
17:7:8 - 2.6M
18:3:1 - 6.7M
18:4:2 - 5.2M
18:4:9 - 0.4M
18:4:10 - 2.3M
19:2:8 - 29M
19:2:9 - 1.3M
19:3:4 - 0.4M
19:3:9 - 1.4M
19:4:5 - 2.4M
19:4:9 - 17.3M
20:7:9 - 4.6M

Total: 1566.5M

CdErius · 23 Dec 2003, 00:17

im not on the list
do i rule or what?!

did u keep track of how many times ur atempts was blocked

A2 · 23 Dec 2003, 00:18

228.5M from one planet? - nicely done
Interesting set of statistics you've kept there :-)

xtothez · 23 Dec 2003, 01:34

Ace.

Well played.

xtothez · 23 Dec 2003, 01:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by A2

228.5M from one planet? - nicely done
Interesting set of statistics you've kept there :-)

Kaifux (2:10:9) went inactive for the final week or two. Candy from a baby, etc.

dabult · 23 Dec 2003, 01:36

I was going to give him a thread of his own, but missed the birthday so cant be arsed

I quote:

Quote:

As I am small and do not really have the time to play, I have devoted my round to Jurgen. Because off Rollback my earlier damage was deleted. But I will not stand down, and I`m starting ones more. Today I have demolished 3 of his beatifull roids, and will post future damage to his planet here on this thread. Long live the new beatifull tool in PA, namely "Covert Ops".

This was posted on the 20th of October by a member of ours. By popular demand I'm giving this info out, hoping Jurgen will get a chance to see it

TOTAL:
Metal: 80.976.081
Crystal: 59.971.265
Eonium: 49.856.738
Roids: 6
Ships:
Claymore: 5
Broadsword: 1
Gladius: 3
Rapier: 2

99% of the above was done by one person, a few were other small and bored members (ab)using it.

Happy birthday one day late Jurgen

oh and RPS, good job (:

Colt · 23 Dec 2003, 01:50

LOL, nice one

Leshy · 23 Dec 2003, 01:59

GIVE ME BACK MY RESOURCES, THIEF :((((((((

CrazySpoon · 23 Dec 2003, 02:01

Heh

ronnie · 23 Dec 2003, 04:01

nice one, congratz to you !

you got a decent nights sleep and went to bed at normal times, i think we have found the true winner of the round

lol

AzureWrath · 23 Dec 2003, 07:49

i hope covert ops dont appear in future rounds

Blazde · 23 Dec 2003, 08:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPS

I only ever had a small fleet(1500 fighters) and when i did attack I always attacked planets much bigger than me with no fighter defence. I even managed solo to steal roids off 6:6:9 (top 10 at the time, I was maybe 2000th).

Bit sceptical of this claim, did you keep a log of it too? I had fighter defence since I built my first banshee and to my knowledge only lost roids early on to the huge FaNG attacks and later in the round to Dragons/WP/ND/Vengeance (all at the same time). If you sneaked in a 'solo' attack I'd guess you actually piggybacked a big FaNG wave.

Quote:

6:6:9 - 41.6M

Eek

well pld with that tho, cost me a whole rank all on your own.

Hurragutten · 23 Dec 2003, 09:42

Cover ops are a great way to make smaller planets have some fun. Hope PA-team don't remove cover ops

RealJames · 23 Dec 2003, 10:02

I'm quite pleased not to see my coords on that list, especially considering I only spent resources once a day (after the night's raids landed/recalled and any losses were replaced).

I too would definitely like to see coops retained for R11. Despite finishing 153rd myself I still enjoyed stealing resources from those above me.

General Martok · 23 Dec 2003, 11:18

Pld you

Just wondering: did you save allthose resources in the galfund? Didn't know it could contain 1.5 Billion

Lord_Thunderball · 23 Dec 2003, 11:28

Next round will be a war between cov oppers, cause all the resources will get stolen 2 minutes after the tick

If you saved all the money from start, top10 was possible

Well pld \0/

furball · 23 Dec 2003, 12:27

Congratulations! I also played as a minor covert-opper after my fleets got trashed, nice to see it done properly compared to my style of stealing at 8am while they're asleep.

Spinner · 23 Dec 2003, 16:21

Exellent stuff (:
Covert Ops got a fair role in the overall game, and worked quite like I had hoped. Good to see someone happy about the things in PaX

General Martok · 23 Dec 2003, 16:47

One sidenote though: if this will be implented in R11 (PAXI = ghey) there has to be some way to 'attack' covoppers, since there is atm nothing what can be done against them. Something like cargoships targetting the galfund

AzureWrath · 23 Dec 2003, 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazde

Bit sceptical of this claim, did you keep a log of it too? I had fighter defence since I built my first banshee and to my knowledge only lost roids early on to the huge FaNG attacks and later in the round to Dragons/WP/ND/Vengeance (all at the same time). If you sneaked in a 'solo' attack I'd guess you actually piggybacked a big FaNG wave.

Eek

well pld with that tho, cost me a whole rank all on your own.

had to be a piggy, there's no way in hell...

mikay · 23 Dec 2003, 17:20

There are ways to attack covert oppers.

I spent the last 2 weeks of the round on holiday and put my engineers on security as first priority. Despite being hit about 10 times a tick most failed and I just hardly lost much (compared to some people at least).

Another way is network charting. If someone is hitting you each tick then network charting will drop their stealth level making it harder for them to do covert ops & costing them income. I discussed this with reps and if anyone had done it to him they would have had a truce straight away.

3rd way is to get loads of friendly (differnt ally) planets to do covert ops. Not necessarily steals, maybe just 1 agent at stopping research of blowing up roids. 1 agent is too few to do anything when they get through but it will put your alert up.

I do think the gal fund should be capped tho - I mean this was put in a long time ago for a similar reason. Also there should be a limit of how much anyone can steal (possibly 25 times) as opposed to miniscule planets being able to steal millions with 1 agent. A final change would be to reorder the covert tech tree and have resource stealing as a last option. It's easily the most powerful option late in the game and yet it doesn't need researching.

Blazde · 23 Dec 2003, 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikay

3rd way is to get loads of friendly (differnt ally) planets to do covert ops. Not necessarily steals, maybe just 1 agent at stopping research of blowing up roids. 1 agent is too few to do anything when they get through but it will put your alert up.

I debated this with some fellow Elys and decided it would probably be interpreted as farming. But if we're going to have another round with covert-ops it'd be nice if it could be clarified by the multihunters.

mikay · 23 Dec 2003, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazde

I debated this with some fellow Elys and decided it would probably be interpreted as farming. But if we're going to have another round with covert-ops it'd be nice if it could be clarified by the multihunters.

Farming? So if someone in Eclipse hit you every 3 ticks with 1 agent to slow your research that is farming how? Thing is there was more to coops than resource stealing but I think the other missions were underpowered and stealing was overpowered.

LocknLoad · 23 Dec 2003, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikay

Thing is there was more to coops than resource stealing but I think the other missions were underpowered and stealing was overpowered.

I agree with this 100%. Stealing was way over powered and the rest wasn't worth a crap for the cost.

General Martok · 23 Dec 2003, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikay

There are ways to attack covert oppers.

I spent the last 2 weeks of the round on holiday and put my engineers on security as first priority. Despite being hit about 10 times a tick most failed and I just hardly lost much (compared to some people at least).

Another way is network charting. If someone is hitting you each tick then network charting will drop their stealth level making it harder for them to do covert ops & costing them income. I discussed this with reps and if anyone had done it to him they would have had a truce straight away.

3rd way is to get loads of friendly (differnt ally) planets to do covert ops. Not necessarily steals, maybe just 1 agent at stopping research of blowing up roids. 1 agent is too few to do anything when they get through but it will put your alert up.

I do think the gal fund should be capped tho - I mean this was put in a long time ago for a similar reason. Also there should be a limit of how much anyone can steal (possibly 25 times) as opposed to miniscule planets being able to steal millions with 1 agent. A final change would be to reorder the covert tech tree and have resource stealing as a last option. It's easily the most powerful option late in the game and yet it doesn't need researching.

These are ways to lower the damage on yourself. I'd like to see something that hurts the covoppers. Nothing radical, but maybe a covop that works the other way around. An expencive covop (100 agents required or something like that) that sabotages their covop. An upgraded network charting that disables covopping for 4 ticks or something.

Blazde · 23 Dec 2003, 20:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikay

So if someone in Eclipse hit you every 3 ticks with 1 agent to slow your research that is farming how?

If Eclipse hits me every 3 ticks to slow my research that ain't farming but...

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikay

3rd way is to get loads of friendly (differnt ally) planets to do covert ops. Not necessarily steals, maybe just 1 agent at stopping research of blowing up roids. 1 agent is too few to do anything when they get through but it will put your alert up.

...if they know they're not sending enough agents to slow my research, only put my alertness up, then it's abusing covert ops. I'm 'farming' alertness.

RPS · 23 Dec 2003, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzureWrath

had to be a piggy, there's no way in hell...

http://cabeza.lockhead.net/index.php...nid=1129912652

Piggy after a fang wave when I saw he'd sent his fleet out.

dabult · 23 Dec 2003, 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPS

http://cabeza.lockhead.net/index.php...nid=1129912652

Piggy after a fang wave when I saw he'd sent his fleet out.

rofl

Don_Juan · 23 Dec 2003, 21:28

Thats one of the things ruining some parts of the game...
Planets that were closed and had 6k + roids, and got reopened had a major advance... rest of us, 'legits' got CoV oped dooz more... then we loose score and res, and the closed ones have one tick to spend all res without being CoV oped and therefor looses zero...
as u see, I lost nearly 200mill in res... :P thats quite some res... and that is ofc also to only ONE guy

Don

CdErius · 23 Dec 2003, 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don_Juan

Thats one of the things ruining some parts of the game...
Planets that were closed and had 6k + roids, and got reopened had a major advance... rest of us, 'legits' got CoV oped dooz more... then we loose score and res, and the closed ones have one tick to spend all res without being CoV oped and therefor looses zero...
as u see, I lost nearly 200mill in res... :P thats quite some res... and that is ofc also to only ONE guy

Don

well u must have done somethin wrong,

as noone else lost nearly that much to reps.

Jonas · 23 Dec 2003, 23:46

PLD!

did some covoping myself, right OlaTa??

but no way would I reach thoose numbers

good job, maybe youve convinced them to remove coovops now

-Jonas-

Assassin · 24 Dec 2003, 16:04

Played...

evil one · 24 Dec 2003, 17:24

Excellent

.

I'm sure you made some of the big ppl quite unhappy

Hurragutten · 30 Dec 2003, 02:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spinner

Exellent stuff (:
Covert Ops got a fair role in the overall game, and worked quite like I had hoped. Good to see someone happy about the things in PaX

I think PAX was great. Thanks a lot Spinner

Stifler · 31 Dec 2003, 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPS

http://cabeza.lockhead.net/index.php...nid=1129912652

Piggy after a fang wave when I saw he'd sent his fleet out.

didnt work