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Are all insults created equally
in the NZ parliment a few days ago, a rather fat maori guy called ANOTHER fat non maori guy 'big guy'
so the non-maori guy asked if he could call the maori guy 'black guy', or somesuch thing to do with his skin colour
this causes such a stir that the non-maori guy had to make big formal apologys etc
but isnt one insult as good as the other
after hearing how the maori guy said 'big guy', its clear that its use was in the context of a insult
shouldnt the non-maori guy be able to mock him back?
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12 Feb 2004, 08:07
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Re: Are all insults created equally
No, not all insults are equal.
Insulting me for being skinny for instance, is hardly the same thing as insulting my mother if she happened to die yesterday. People are more sensitive about certain things. You can't always know what they're sensitive about of course, but race is something a lot of people are sensitive about for historical reasons.
Having said that, no-one was stopping the guy from calling the Maori guy a black guy (although Maori's aren't black but whatever). He was clearly just too much of a faggot to face the criticism/fallout of doing so. When the conservatives criticise the "PC brigade" they are basically admitting they're too scared of expressing themselves.
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12 Feb 2004, 08:17
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Re: Are all insults created equally
People being scared of expressing themselves is a bad situation. 
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12 Feb 2004, 08:20
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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People being scared of expressing themselves is a bad situation. |
Generally yes, although it depends why. If I am frightened of posting that I like Blink 182 on these forums because I know I will get insulted for being shit, I'm not sure how this is anyone eleses problem but mine for being gutless.
Obviously the fear of physical violence is something different.
If it's just "I want to hold controversial views but I'm worried I'll get criticised for expressing them" then you're basically a fag. It depends on a definition of what's a reasonable criticism though.
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12 Feb 2004, 08:30
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The Port Royale
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Re: Are all insults created equally
each to his own, for the blink182 comment
what if your controversial view actively indangers your life
lets say supporting a gang whilst living in a rival gangs territory
gangs are stupidy shit, but nonetheless...
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12 Feb 2004, 09:19
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Re: Are all insults created equally
Threats/fear of physical violence are an another matter, as I've said.
The only other exception I can think of is the control over distribution of resources. If I own the only shop in town, and I refuse to sell to you because you said xyz then I suppose this could be likened to a form of coercion - but only where a monopoly exists.
Basically, this MP guy presumably apologised not because he feared physical violence but because he wanted a quiet life. If he really didn't mean what he said then apologising is fair enough, otherwise he's just gutless as stated.
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12 Feb 2004, 09:28
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Re: Are all insults created equally
In before Nod
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12 Feb 2004, 09:39
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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bad reference to jenny.
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12 Feb 2004, 09:56
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Old Man O Deh *****s
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Re: Are all insults created equally
Jenny would deny everything, as it might be classed as having a good time, which would entail some sort of stimulation, which could be regarded as a form of drugging, and therefore rape.
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12 Feb 2004, 10:13
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Re: Are all insults created equally
If you're going to throw a stone at someone you'd better make sure they're of the same ethnic origin as you first.
Paraphrased from a South Park episode.
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12 Feb 2004, 13:49
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Re: Are all insults created equally
when I made fun of a 'religion' that is silly. I was banned, so I'd say no
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12 Feb 2004, 13:53
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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Were you criticising a religeon or did you say "all muslims are evil lol"?
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swap muslims with jews and add WWII jokes and you have the story.
It's been over 50 years, lighten up
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12 Feb 2004, 15:27
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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Jenny would deny everything, as it might be classed as having a good time, which would entail some sort of stimulation, which could be regarded as a form of drugging, and therefore rape.
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12 Feb 2004, 15:52
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Re: Are all insults created equally
NZ "discovers" the race card is a trump card. :/
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12 Feb 2004, 17:09
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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Originally Posted by Muha
in the NZ parliment a few days ago, a rather fat maori guy called ANOTHER fat non maori guy 'big guy'
so the non-maori guy asked if he could call the maori guy 'black guy', or somesuch thing to do with his skin colour
this causes such a stir that the non-maori guy had to make big formal apologys etc
but isnt one insult as good as the other
after hearing how the maori guy said 'big guy', its clear that its use was in the context of a insult
shouldnt the non-maori guy be able to mock him back?
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Because if you are fat you can get slimmy but if you are colored, its a life sentence.
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12 Feb 2004, 17:16
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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Originally Posted by Baron Morte
Because if you are fat you can get slimmy but if you are colored, its a life sentence.
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Tell that to Michael Jackson.
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12 Feb 2004, 17:18
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
Tell that to Michael Jackson.
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Alexander Marriot wrote an article explaining that Michael Jackson was no longer black. I lolled for about a week.
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12 Feb 2004, 17:21
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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Tell that to Michael Jackson.
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With all that money, and he stills look like shiet.
That must be the epitomy that it cant be done
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12 Feb 2004, 17:29
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Re: Are all insults created equally
Insults can be said to be equal if you're on an equal playing field so to speak, but even then, its the context in how something is said that makes it insulting or not.
Additionally, if you're not black and they call you black, you'd be insulted because its insulting your heritage and therefore your supposed identity and origin.
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12 Feb 2004, 17:33
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I'm Jewish. But I don't care.
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You work with banking/loans or in the government?
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12 Feb 2004, 19:01
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Alexander Marriot wrote an article explaining that Michael Jackson was no longer black. I lolled for about a week.
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He was correct, he just expressed it stupidly. Its semantically meaningless to say someone 'is' black - only that they have dark coloured skin.You could that say Michael Jackson is a Negroid who has white skin, but only if you define precisely what the term Negroid means.
Black = black skin, end of story. It doesnt make sense to talk of some kind of inner 'essence' of blackness that people with dark skin have that goes beyond their physical appearence and their genetic makeup (which cant be determined from looking at their skin colour anyway).
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12 Feb 2004, 19:42
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Re: Are all insults created equally
Justin Timberlake is black
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12 Feb 2004, 20:34
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Re: Are all insults created equally
negroids do have flat nose curly hair, a difference in the making of the leg bones.
Its a lot of stuff. Saying that dark skin automatically means youre black seems a bit harsh
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12 Feb 2004, 22:16
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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He was correct, he just expressed it stupidly. Its semantically meaningless to say someone 'is' black - only that they have dark coloured skin.You could that say Michael Jackson is a Negroid who has white skin, but only if you define precisely what the term Negroid means.
Black = black skin, end of story. It doesnt make sense to talk of some kind of inner 'essence' of blackness that people with dark skin have that goes beyond their physical appearence and their genetic makeup (which cant be determined from looking at their skin colour anyway).
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If I wanted to say someone had black skin I'd say they had black skin. If someone has the genetic characteristics exhibited by negroes I'd say they were black. Innit?
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12 Feb 2004, 22:21
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Re: Are all insults created equally
The question is : Is this forum the domain of prejudiced white boys, or of enlightened free men who aren't shackled by convention in their expression?
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12 Feb 2004, 22:24
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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The question is : Is this forum the domain of prejudiced white boys, or of enlightened free men who aren't shackled by convention in their expression?
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Wigger yo
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12 Feb 2004, 22:24
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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Justin Timberlake is black
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i just watched part of the grammys on sunday, and watching timberlake i was thinking 'clearly this is a black man'
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12 Feb 2004, 22:26
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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The question is : Is this forum the domain of prejudiced white boys, or of enlightened free men who aren't shackled by convention in their expression?
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Dude, I'm black.
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12 Feb 2004, 22:31
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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Dude, I'm black.
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So how come you don't type in ebonics then you race traitor?
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12 Feb 2004, 22:33
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Vermin Supreme
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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The question is : Is this forum the domain of prejudiced white boys, or of enlightened free men who aren't shackled by convention in their expression?
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can't we be both?
honestly the only even potential contradiction i see is between being enlightened and being prejudiced. and it seems quite obvious to me that the enlightened will hold their prejudices until shown some reason to change them.
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12 Feb 2004, 22:34
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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So how come you don't type in ebonics then you race traitor?
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The Irish cancels out the blackness and I end up literate and well-read. Somehow. By most logic I should be dealing drugs and wearing my pants around my ankles in between pints of guinness.
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12 Feb 2004, 22:38
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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wearing my pants around my ankles in between pints of guinness.
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Just on Fridays, right?
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12 Feb 2004, 22:43
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Re: Are all insults created equally
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Just on Fridays, right?
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I'm also a poor student so I generally go out on a wednesday. I actually fulfill about 700 stereotypes!
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