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Dace · 27 Apr 2005, 00:38

Sunday 9pm C5

Marilyn Manson · 27 Apr 2005, 00:40

Sunday9pm lol

What?

Freakozoid · 27 Apr 2005, 00:43

The Godfather.

I have the trilogy boxset.

Dace · 27 Apr 2005, 00:45

I suspect that James does too but sometimes watching a film on TV you like and own is cool.

JetLinus · 27 Apr 2005, 00:48

Your hitting > 50% "oh look whats on UK TV" threads now... :-/

(What happened to the "let me tell you about poker" stuff?)

I'm only doing this to bring back good old Dace (tm) stories...

Dace · 27 Apr 2005, 00:52

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Originally Posted by JetLinus

Your hitting > 50% "oh look whats on UK TV" threads now... :-/

(What happened to the "let me tell you about poker" stuff?)

I'm only doing this to bring back good old Dace (tm) stories...

WHAT THE ****?

I rarely make "this is what's on TV" threads.

Also i said i wasn't gonna make any more "Dace true life stories" a while ago.

s|k · 27 Apr 2005, 00:58

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Originally Posted by Dace

I suspect that James does too but sometimes watching a film on TV you like and own is cool.

That's interesting. Over here TV generally is quite shitty, and once films make it to TV they have edited it to dust for 'obsenity' and for time constraints, not to mention formatting it to fit the TV. Seeing a film first shown on the theaters on network television is pretty 'uncool.'

JetLinus · 27 Apr 2005, 01:00

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Originally Posted by Dace

I rarely make "this is what's on TV" threads.

Hm sorry then, it was my impression...
Maybe because I can never really understand as I don't have british television.

Let me at least put it like this: You make more "something about channel 4" threads than anyone else...

pig · 27 Apr 2005, 01:05

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Originally Posted by Dace

sometimes watching a film on TV you like and own is cool.

so true, i own the boxset but dont really watch it too much, however it being on TV, alas I shall watch it again!

JammyJim · 27 Apr 2005, 01:38

i watched it just last week actually
the whole trilogy

however

i will most likely watch it again on c5

ta dace

s|k · 27 Apr 2005, 03:00

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Originally Posted by JammyJim

i watched it just last week actually
the whole trilogy

however

i will most likely watch it again on c5

ta dace

I'm surprised you like these movies. Who could have guessed? I'm thinking about watching scarface myself.

djbass · 27 Apr 2005, 05:04

too date I've never watched any of the godfather movies, and Idon't see that changing anytime soon.

s|k · 27 Apr 2005, 05:41

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Originally Posted by djbass

too date I've never watched any of the godfather movies, and Idon't see that changing anytime soon.

If you don't watch them soon we'll have to go to the mattresses. I'll make you an offer you can't refuse.

Dante Hicks · 27 Apr 2005, 06:39

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Originally Posted by djbass

too date I've never watched any of the godfather movies, and Idon't see that changing anytime soon.

You prefer IE to Firefox/Opera, Yahoo to Google, and Buffy the movie compared to Buffy the TV series.

Of course you're not going to like the Godfather. It's good.

roadrunner_0 · 27 Apr 2005, 07:52

hey, i like buffy the movie, it has cheesy goodness going for it!

Tomkat · 27 Apr 2005, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Freakozoid

The Godfather.

I have the trilogy boxset.

Dace · 27 Apr 2005, 12:27

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Originally Posted by roadrunner_0

hey, i like buffy the movie, it has cheesy goodness going for it!

But do you prefer it to the series?

pig · 27 Apr 2005, 12:35

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Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

You prefer IE to Firefox/Opera, Yahoo to Google, and Buffy the movie compared to Buffy the TV series.

Of course you're not going to like the Godfather. It's good.

Thats quite scary what you wrote above, I cant believe hes allowed on the internet!

djbass · 27 Apr 2005, 15:06

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Originally Posted by pig

Thats quite scary what you wrote above, I cant believe hes allowed on the internet!

What's more scary is that Dante knows so much about me...

Oh, and Dante, rather you have highlighted for me a pattern other than the one you pointed out. All of the above shows that I prefer the originals, which to me is logical as original things tend to be the best. Perhaps I should go see Scarface instead.

Dante Hicks · 28 Apr 2005, 08:43

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Originally Posted by djbass

All of the above shows that I prefer the originals, which to me is logical as original things tend to be the best.

The problem is that when people prefer "the original", it rarely is the original. OK, Buffy the Movie was the "original" in the sense nothing comes directly before it, but you could argue it's a homage / rip-off of a dozen other things (ignoring the obvious vampire movie lineage, it reminded me a bit of Teen Wolf at the time).

If you're going to prefer the original web browser than there were plenty before IE. What about Netscape, Mosaic or Nexus ("WorldWideWeb")? Hell, I'm still relatively young but I remember when IE was the upstart that people were considering dumping Netscape for.

If we're talking search engines than Yahoo certainly wasn't even close to being first.

One problem with this originality worship is that people tend to associate "the original" with what they may have first used / enjoyed using in a major way. So among my friends, most of the people who have seen the Kevin Smith movies have a favourite. Some prefer Clerks, others Mallrats and even one who prefers Chasing Amy. And in each case it's the movie they saw first they think is best. Which is fair enough, but is a lot harder to defend as quasi-objective.

But perhaps more importantly, the original often isn't the best. Joss Whedon hated Buffy the movie because of all the problems and when making the series was determined not to make the same mistakes. In a project Version 10 is usually better than Version 1 - and if it's not then something has gone badly wrong.

This is not to completely devalue originality but I do think people over-rate it sometimes.

djbass · 28 Apr 2005, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

The problem is that when people prefer "the original", it rarely is the original. OK, Buffy the Movie was the "original" in the sense nothing comes directly before it, but you could argue it's a homage / rip-off of a dozen other things (ignoring the obvious vampire movie lineage, it reminded me a bit of Teen Wolf at the time).

If you're going to prefer the original web browser than there were plenty before IE. What about Netscape, Mosaic or Nexus ("WorldWideWeb")? Hell, I'm still relatively young but I remember when IE was the upstart that people were considering dumping Netscape for.

If we're talking search engines than Yahoo certainly wasn't even close to being first.

One problem with this originality worship is that people tend to associate "the original" with what they may have first used / enjoyed using in a major way. So among my friends, most of the people who have seen the Kevin Smith movies have a favourite. Some prefer Clerks, others Mallrats and even one who prefers Chasing Amy. And in each case it's the movie they saw first they think is best. Which is fair enough, but is a lot harder to defend as quasi-objective.

But perhaps more importantly, the original often isn't the best. Joss Whedon hated Buffy the movie because of all the problems and when making the series was determined not to make the same mistakes. In a project Version 10 is usually better than Version 1 - and if it's not then something has gone badly wrong.

This is not to completely devalue originality but I do think people over-rate it sometimes.

I won't disagree on your view of originality worship, what you say is absolutely true. However the fact that any of these things are original is purely coincidental, and infact until you listed them ealier I hadn't realised the pattern.

I'll break down the examples for you:

Buffy the movie vs Buffy the series. Given the points cited above from yourself and another poster I can't see any way I can put this that you'll understand, because the very points you criticise the movie for are what I criticise the series for, so it seems to be purely a matter of preference. I haven't seen the movie since it was originally released, so memory is hazy.. but I seem to recall it being a lot more believable and well scripted than the show ever was. The show to me seems like a watered down version of the movie, with little more than pop-idoltry to fuel its fanbase. Infact I'm 90% certain that if SMG wasn't in it, the show would be a dismal failure (and not due to her acting that's for sure). Oh and by original in this case I refer to the Buffy character and related materials, I certainly wouldn't argue it's a first of its type and believe me I'm also not suggesting it's the best movie ever made, I just mean I prefer it over the series.

IE vs Firefox vs Opera. Original is applied loosely here, I mean only in context to the other two browsers mentioned. Hell I started with the first versions of mosaic back in the day. Then I progressed to Netscape and for a long while I considered IE the spawn of satan, absolutely terrible in terms of usability and speed. It was't till version 4 of IE that MS pulled their head out of their arse and came up with a brilliant yet simple piece of software. For arguments sake I'm aware that IE & Firefox are built off the mosaic engine, what matters is what each company decided to do with that engine. I think that Firefox and Opera work just fine, no arguments with their implimentation. What I don't like is that they've both crossed that line of when a browser is no longer a browser. I don't need any of the other useless and fancy shit they come bundled with.

Yahoo vs Google. Once again original is used loosely here, and in context with the two only. Yes, there may have been crawlbots and such in existance, but I wouldn't acredit any of them as being a proper search engine. Yahoo was the first to take the search terms and produce meaningful results, meaning what you serached for was what you actually got. Google didn't enter the scene till a few years later. Infact, I feel a large part of Googles success is not in usability, but due to the problem you mentioned of it being the first search engine most people are introduced to these days.

Godfather (*The Mafia*). This is not a slate against the movie itself, don't get me wrong I'm sure its a brilliant and artful masterpiece, but it's just not my thing. I've said this before but I just don't like the mafia, they bore me to tears. How to explain it I don't know, but nothing of their lifestyles or manorisms interests me, it's like I'm missing some gene or something associated with the liking of such stuff, whatever it is I don't have it.