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Unread 16 Aug 2003, 17:24   #1
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R7: What if....

...TU has not been closed?

Would Kileman's 'campaign' against Fred ever have happened, would the whole "can't beat 'em delete 'em" crap have occured, would Consortium have ever been dreamed of and - most importantly - would Germania ever have had anything to go on and on and on and on (etc etc) about for the next 3 rounds?
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Unread 16 Aug 2003, 18:11   #2
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what if....

WW II wouldn't have happened... would we be where we are right now?....


i don't really see the point in discussion like that, if this.. if that ofcourse things would have been different but we will never know how it would have been.... can't change the past




but since the forums is kinda boring atm anyways.... have fun talking about it :P
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Unread 16 Aug 2003, 18:24   #4
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People seem adament to continue discussing what did happen (or their version of), so I figured, why not give them something else to argue about and entertain
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People seem adament to continue discussing what did happen (or their version of), so I figured, why not give them something else to argue about and entertain
no no no
how dare you even consider that germania is not always right
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Unread 16 Aug 2003, 18:35   #6
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I dont consider this AD material :P

but what if I did not kick a stone, which made a three grow another way, which made a bird grow up there, which made a man nuts cause of all the noice it made, and the man went on doing bad things to other people, endig up someone killing them. Who would be the killer? Me the stone the three the bird or the man?

/me indicates that this actually r quite booring now adays
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sorry but - crap topic, like Wandows said, its in the past and it cannot be changed, so why on earth are you discussing this, it wouldnt have any impact on anything at all..

btw, nice story Jonas
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I remember what scouse once said during round 7, it was something along the lines of:

"Wouldnt it be fun if TU hadn't been closed? Fang would be ****ing kile over and over"
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sorry but - crap topic, like Wandows said, its in the past and it cannot be changed, so why on earth are you discussing this, it wouldnt have any impact on anything at all..
As is this thread, but people can't shut up there

Why the **** did you reply if you think it was a crap topic tho?
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But you know it will end up as AD material - its about R7 fs
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Why the **** did you reply if you think it was a crap topic tho?
to tell you about it?

anyways, have fun with it
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"Wouldnt it be fun if TU hadn't been closed? Fang would be ****ing kile over and over"
and what do you mean with that?

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He means 'Kjel a stupid moron'. Now quick, get on IRC and ask him why he'd say such a thing!
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im gonna stir the pot even more

what if in round 8 the round hadnt prematurley ended. would the Titans/LDK/ViruS have "won" anyways ?

[edit]ill sirr it some more. keep in mind the following statement is ONLY for sake of a potential ongoing neverending argument seeings as the RaH thread is dying...

the round ended regardless so, Titans/LDK/ViruS did, infact. win round 8 [/edit]
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what if in round 8 the round hadnt prematurley ended. would the Titans/LDK/ViruS have "won" anyways ?

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what if in round 8 the round hadnt prematurley ended. would the Titans/LDK/ViruS have "won" anyways ?
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well that's an easy and obvious one Aaranaf

FAnG would have won easily. Infact didn't we won r8 ...

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If TU hadn't been closed r7 the world would've been a better place to live.
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Re: R7: What if....

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...TU has not been closed?

Would Kileman's 'campaign' against Fred ever have happened, would the whole "can't beat 'em delete 'em" crap have occured, would Consortium have ever been dreamed of and - most importantly - would Germania ever have had anything to go on and on and on and on (etc etc) about for the next 3 rounds?
My campaign against Fred was nothing to do with the closure of TU. It was however a result of DTA's huge "we will cnut anyone who takes donations etc etc etc" campaign on the forums. It was this 'arrogance' and stupidity that lead to the public inquisition of DTA's methods, and donation whoring, the things that they ironically campaigned against.

TU was a completly seperate case, with no bearing to any external propaganda rubbish like the DTA deletions.
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My campaign against Fred was nothing to do with the closure of TU. It was however a result of DTA's huge "we will cnut anyone who takes donations etc etc etc" campaign on the forums. It was this 'arrogance' and stupidity that lead to the public inquisition of DTA's methods, and donation whoring, the things that they ironically campaigned against.

TU was a completly seperate case, with no bearing to any external propaganda rubbish like the DTA deletions.
Although personally, I wouldn't associate DTA with Fred as far as DTA's "core" being in Fred's gal (or vice versa). While Fred's always associated with a very few people, much of each round he's pretty much been on his own, and really only had to rely on his galaxy.

Any so-called campaign on DTA's behalf really would have stemmed from Bob, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, only that a handfull of, ahem, "DTA members" are relatively, gosh, "spaztic" when it comes to things of a Planetarion nature.*

All I know is, if TU hadn't been closed, I could safely say I wouldn't have finished Round 7; such a blatant "rule breaking" would have torn that round apart far worse than the efforts by everyone and their planet(s) to bring everyone else down.**

*Hypocracy will forever be the crowning achievement for any and all PA players, heh.

**At least Round 7 featured some humorous galaxy banners.
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what if in round 8 the round hadnt prematurley ended. would the Titans/LDK/ViruS have "won" anyways ?

<KillGhost> alleen heel jammer dat dat de ronde niet normaal is afgelopen
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translation: "too bad the round didn't end in a normal way, otherwise Fury would have become #1."


and i heared pack was kind of sick of the Titans/LDK supremacy that round, and that they wanted to fight with Fury, when the round ended. correct?
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and i heared pack was kind of sick of the Titans/LDK supremacy that round, and that they wanted to fight with Fury, when the round ended. correct?
i vaguely remember madcows/wp/nos/fury/fang and probably more declaring war on us just before the round ended so prolybably
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Re: R7: What if....

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...TU has not been closed?

Would Kileman's 'campaign' against Fred ever have happened, would the whole "can't beat 'em delete 'em" crap have occured, would Consortium have ever been dreamed of and - most importantly - would Germania ever have had anything to go on and on and on and on (etc etc) about for the next 3 rounds?
My gal had won and not yours.
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and i heared pack was kind of sick of the Titans/LDK supremacy that round, and that they wanted to fight with Fury, when the round ended. correct?
Pack wasn't much, dragons were the ones with the score/roids and we were already hitting them and they were already losing a load of roids. I'm sure killghost wants to believe that fury could have won, but don't count on it
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translation: "too bad the round didn't end in a normal way, otherwise Fury would have become #1."

and i heared pack was kind of sick of the Titans/LDK supremacy that round, and that they wanted to fight with Fury, when the round ended. correct?
Translation: "Im KillGhost, and as the rest of Fury, I dont know anything about exponentional growth".

regarding Dragons, look at how scared Smashes is for his roids:
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Grumpy, leave the little Fury alone, will you now?
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Zhukov did that kinda thing for hours heh was funny to watch though. Working with the Titan command in r8 was pretty ace had fun ****ing lots of fury and others in that round.
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Perhaps if TU would not have been closed in r7 the round would've been quite different. There would almost for sure be another galaxy winning that round. The politics might have been forced to be played otherwise.. the consortium not getting the chance to influence r7 like it did.
..and if 4 most dominating Alliances remaing from r6 would not have declared their cooperation for r7 would any of those other alliances want to work with each other ?

What if the scared bunched that ganged up on NEWX had some more confidence in themselves and perhaps went with fewer allies and try to make it a more open round ?
What if NoS would've cooperated for real with NEWX ?
What IF my galaxy would've had allies in cluster ?!?! fs! heh
Since we owned 4 of the hostiles incluster, maybe with help we could've taken out the remaining 5 ??
-= The Three Kingdoms =- was teh Sexeh ! and rocked !

Alot of things could've been different If only different things happened..
However in the end was the unevitable unavoidable ?
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Re: what if....

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WW II wouldn't have happened... would we be where we are right now?....
Hell No !
- It's the reason for almost everything we've got in the world today.
What if Hitler would not have been stopped etc.
but since he was stopped and the new treaty was signed we have the EU today, which Germany is basicly paying for! as part of their debth to Europe ( VERY easily/basic summed up ofcourse)

WWII would've never happened if it wasn't for WWI !

This history has alot of cruelty, though fascinating sides to it, which holds alot of paralells to PA if you look at it.
For all actions there is a reaction.

To those of you that do know your our history here in Europe I hope you see where I'm going.. and to those that don't just simle and read the next post instead that makes more sense to you.
- this is an awesome topic for discussion if someone is interested
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which Germany is basicly paying for! as part of their debth to Europe ( VERY easily/basic summed up ofcourse)
which they should do, for causing 2 world wars, and millions of deaths.
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Unread 17 Aug 2003, 20:29   #32
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Unread 17 Aug 2003, 20:52   #33
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In my opinion Germany wasn't really to blame for WWI

There were many aspects behind it..
The creation of Germany as a country in 1871,
when Preussen, Saxxen and Bayern became one major state!
Germany made a major leap from 1871-1914 when what I look at as the "2nd Industrial revolution" took part.
They got governmental regulations and built up the country steadily and 'even'(nice and steady) though fast. It was the worlds quickest rise of nations ever !

Germany was becoming the Europen country capable of competing with the US.
The others were obviously threatened by this..

- I won't go into more details on this as it's really to complicated to drag out on AD.
(something was staged to cause the start of this war.
was it the shot in sarajevo ? )

Incredible inventions and valuable lessons have come out of both World Wars in different fields such as:
- technology
- massproduction
- currency/inflation
- more sophisticated propaganda
- medicine

The World evolves continuesly, occasional human revolutions speeds up the process abit..
Sometimes a step back is needed to take 2 or more steps forward

abit of my insight for now ^Å^
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(something was staged to cause the start of this war.
was it the shot in sarajevo ? )
yus, the heir to the Austrian throne was shot dead, if my memory serves me correct.

Europe was heading for War, with the 2 big allies, UK/France/Russia V Italy/Austria/Germany, a la PA, and I suppose Germany wasnt to blame for it, but I hold a lot of animosity against the Germans for what they did in the World Wars.
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Unread 17 Aug 2003, 22:28   #35
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Pack wasn't much, dragons were the ones with the score/roids and we were already hitting them and they were already losing a load of roids. I'm sure killghost wants to believe that fury could have won, but don't count on it
It's nice to see you didn't have a clue about our actual status at that time either..
WP have always had a tradition of keeping a low profile and never to fully reveal our military strength nor intentions to outsiders

Sadly I don't have access to the actual numbers atm, but I can confirm that Wolfpack had a higher total score and roid count than Titans, LDK, ViruS on a 1 to 1 basis.
This was based on the actual numbers that your command staff published when showing off to the Planetarion Community after you had 'won' the round.
Elysium was also far more powerful than most ppl knew.

WP r8 had 10 BG's in addition to WereWolfs(Lepauli/burmel), Ðragons, BeerGods, Quha and several joint BG's with Ely and other strategic partners.

I don't believe WP/Ely could've taken on Tits/LDK/=V= alone and been victorious. WE would've been to dependent on external factors for such a thing to succeed.

However with our good friends and allies, and newly made pacts towards the end of the round we had full intentions of giving
you guys a hard time

- Wolfpack/Elysium/AULD/Rock had relations the whole round.
Ministry for some reason decided not to work with WP/Ely afterall.

- WE initated a cooperation with hirr/madcows/kon aswell in preparing for a later stage war.
I dreamed about FAnG and Adelante lasting abit longer (abit naive perhaps)

I opened up communications again with Focht and his crew and we agreed to work together abit to see what can be done.
- This resulted in establishing the network with Fury/ToT/FAnG and NoS. (RaH gave the impression of being independent)
IRC channels, tools and such were all up and running, with target lists etc, and rather heavy scaled military operations were being prepared.

I cannot in my wildest imagination see how we should not have been able to give the 3 solo(?) companions Titans/LDK/ViruS some competition towards the end of the round
Not even the support of Section and integrated(?) dta would've denied us a realistic chance of preventing their victory.

Even though Ðragons had their NAP with LDK and Section, that would've never prevented them from roiding the rest silly.

Wolfpack/Elysium/NewDawn/Entity/Rock/Madcows/hirr/kon/Fury/ToT/FAnG/NoS

VS.

Titans/LDK/ViruS

Did I forget some ?
- Templar and TFD perhaps
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Two more weeks, and Tits/LDK/=V= would have been crying for mommy.

innit.
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Two more weeks, and Tits/LDK/=V= would have been crying for mommy.

innit.
You saying that their oponents actually had some descent BC's ???

You should know better
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What if frogs would eat humans?
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What if frogs would eat humans?
We might be rid of Dreadn00b once and for all !
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What if NoS would've cooperated for real with NEWX ?
What if NeWx-net had not been riddled with Xanadu's " channel managment bots " .
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What if NeWx-net had not been riddled with Xanadu's " channel managment bots " .
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he said humans..
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You go girl, nice dress.
For those riddled by the above reply:

read: I am overwhelmed by this joke on my expense, and have no idea how to counter this one.

Good thing I speak Dreadnish.
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read: I am overwhelmed by this joke on my expense, and have no idea how to counter this one.

Good thing I speak Dreadnish.
ha ha ha ha ha ha Wipeout
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ha ha ha ha ha ha Wipeout
be glad Scouse doesn't have copyrights on the famous "hahahaha" or you'd be in direct violation ...

ahh who cares nway

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