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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:37   #1
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The Circumstances that that lead to the closing of my account ...

On Thursday , the 12.06. at 8pm CEST ( 6pm Gametime ) i was closed by one of the PA Team members. One of my rl mates immediately phoned me when he heared about this as i was sleeping at that time.

The mail about my closure has been sent out by MrBrick and it contained the following information only :

The account 'ape' (The Countless Hordes of The Northern Territories) has been closed by one of the admins.

The account was closed due to fake registration information.

Please read our rules at http://www.planetarion.com/rules.html

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I tried to get hold of Spinner but he wasn't there so i sent a mail and MrBricks quickly reacted and pmmed me. On the next day i talked to Spinner and both logs can be found in the link below.

The link to the logfiles

Furthermore i would like to point out that i have been closed when i was leading the universe and got closed for wrong registration details which i offered to change several times while people in the top rankings farm , are using "escort" fleets and are sharing their accounts and still get reopened.
I know for sure that at least 50% of the universe used wrong information details during signups to protect their privacy.
But you see the need in having at least one top planet closed as you can noticy that people in other threads already posted that at least this round there has been done a LOT against cheaters ( yes they closed my planet because i got a huge advantage from using fake info in the game itsself while multis are not?!? ).

Finally I think it is indeed sad what the whole community has turned out to be. Everyone who is better/more lucky/putting more effort into sth he is flamed as cheater/multi and beeing seen as the enemy of the state.

Signing out

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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:41   #2
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If that is true, its the worst ****ing reason ive ever seen someone closed for.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:42   #3
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It was made quite clear on sign up that you had to use real account details, the fact that you got past first time is impressive. If you can provide EVIDENCE that others are cheating, then they too will be closed. As for "Protecting your identity", well you couldn't sign up for a credit card with fake details, and since PA is a pay to use service you have to use real details for signing up too.

If everyone used their real details, it would become impossible to multi! If only...
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:46   #4
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Who gives a **** about real details?

I havnt once used my actual name, address etc. I havnt been closed for it.

Try focussing on closing those who cheat, not ****ing around by closing those who want their privacy maintained.

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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:47   #5
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Sad that you haven't learned from R7 when at the end of the round many galaxies / planets were closed down due to the same reason...
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:47   #6
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Re: The Circumstances that that lead to the closing of my account ...

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On Thursday , the 12.06. at 8pm CEST ( 6pm Gametime ) i was closed by one of the PA Team members. One of my rl mates immediately phoned me when he heared about this as i was sleeping at that time.

The mail about my closure has been sent out by MrBrick and it contained the following information only :

The account 'ape' (The Countless Hordes of The Northern Territories) has been closed by one of the admins.

The account was closed due to fake registration information.

Please read our rules at http://www.planetarion.com/rules.html

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..sometimes it's smart to read the rules before you sign up=)
You can also ask me for help if you need a translation Frucht

*hint* That's just "pa basics" *hint*
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:48   #7
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I jumped in squares being angry bout that 2 days ago already

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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:48   #8
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It is in the user agreement you agree to when you signup that your registration details must be yours I believe. Yes its a harsh closure, especially when as you say there are so many blatant farmers, multis and account shared around who go unpunished, but it does beg the question as to why you felt it necessary to sign up with fake details anyway, you must know that this has been a reason for closure in the past. It is just asking for trouble.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:51   #9
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using same punishment for all brakes in EULA is imo false

the ppl who farm / multi and do really ruin the fun of other ppl get same punishment as the ppl that simply used false signup informations....
issnt just fair...

i still love u frucht :/ this round could have so been fun ....
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:51   #10
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I don't think I used all of my real details this round to be honest; for instance there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for PA Team to know my home phone number.

Also, given this is a free round and therefore there's no credit card detail checking, there's no reason for PA Team to know my home address beyond my country and possibly city for statistical purposes.

Not that I'm that ****ed though.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:52   #11
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... lol

i think i've never insernted real information

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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:53   #12
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i still love u frucht :/ this round could have so been fun ....

This round WILL be fun. Frucht will stay with us & get another acc, I am sure :-)
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:54   #13
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Although I agree that you were closed for a minor offense, I would have to side with the decision made. At signup, it clearly states the penalty for submitting false information is account deletion. If you did not want your details to spread, you shouldn't have accepted the EULA and thus not played. You willfully decided to break the EULA, even though your reasons may have been perfectly innocent. As such, you are completely liable to account deletion.

If an exception were made for the reopening of your planet, exceptions would have to be made for others, or there would be a riot claiming that PA-Team uses favouritism in the closing/reopening of planets. Neither of which is good for Planetarion.

Edit: For those stating that they are not using their real details and are still open - if your accounts are found to contain fake information during routine checks, they will be closed as well. Your accounts most likely remain open because they are less intensively checked than the top planets, and because the top players and their RL details are usually more well-known in the community.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:56   #14
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If an exception were made for the reopening of your planet, exceptions would have to be made for others, or there would be a riot claiming that PA-Team uses favouritism in the closing/reopening of planets. Neither of which is good for Planetarion.
I dont think anyone gives a **** about people who dont use accurate details on signup.

I'm sure that you will find that they would 'riot' over closures like this, when obvious multis/farmers/acc sharers go totaly unpunished.
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:56   #15
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Rules are rules, quite simple.

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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:57   #16
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I personaly don't think its on.

1-Should one like to keep their privacy ie their name whatever they should be allowed to, i think it must be a breach of some European law somehow somewhere that demanding that you pass over your name is a must, according to the Geneva Convention you don't have to and those that force you into doing so are war criminals |-:

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2- getting top 10 , top anything is hard, takes a lot of effort and to take this away for something as petty has giving incorrect details on signup is arse, What good does it give anyway?
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 11:58   #17
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thx frucht i'd think you would check be4 you say certain stuff
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If you don't want to give out your personal details then don't play. Where should you draw the line if you want to aprove of this breaking of the rules. Which rule is okay to be broken, and which isn't. To prevent any discussion about this subject they should just enforce all rules
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Unread 14 Jun 2003, 12:01   #19
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1-Should one like to keep their privacy ie their name whatever they should be allowed to, i think it must be a breach of some European law somehow somewhere that demanding that you pass over your name is a must, according to the Geneva Convention you don't have to and those that force you into doing so are war criminals |-:
Try signing up for a bank account without giving them your details, and let's see how far you get

Besides, you're not being forced to hand out your details. You can simply choose not to do so, thereby not accepting the EULA and not playing Planetarion.

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Besides, you're not being forced to hand out your details. You can simply choose not to do so, thereby not accepting the EULA and not playing Planetarion.

For all we know, Frucht has signed up several accounts with different details in order to get a planet into a good galaxy.

oi we all know ? O_o
then why issnt PA using this to close him ? why such a total ridicolous thing ?

maybe they dont know it :/ oh i see ur totaly right!
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If you don't want to give out your personal details then don't play. Where should you draw the line if you want to aprove of this breaking of the rules. Which rule is okay to be broken, and which isn't. To prevent any discussion about this subject they should just enforce all rules

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"For all we know" is an English expression stating that one does not possess certain knowledge, but that it is a possibility.

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Yes cyphie we all know u cheated real, no need to tell it anymore.

And multihunters...maybe aim right place...maybe u could actually make this game better by actually deleting those top wanker farmers & escorters & multies. After that u can concentrate on false information signuppers. Thought after seeing so many **** rounds with **** ppl...i doubt this will never happen. Luckily i wasnt here during total **** rounds r7+ and before any1 can say why im playing, yes i will quit after this round, other games are alot better than pa, cause there ppl plays for fun, here for victory only.
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maybe u could actually make this game better by actually delete those top wanker farmers & escorters & multies
Provide proof and it will be done.

Although escorting is, as far as I know, not a punishable offense.
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"For all we know" is an English expression stating that one does not possess certain knowledge, but that it is a possibility.

I used it to explain why fake details are a reason to close an account.
http://dict.leo.org/?search=For+all+...elaxed&lang=de

for all we know ... soviel wir wissen ...

accually ur just stating ur own opinion about it if i trust leo.org

anyway lets stick to the facts again
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If i was spinner...Escorts and farming can be seen by eye mostly...not with proofs, even monkey can prevent from getting caught if he wants (not u Killmark, but every1 else surely so i would close alot more. But well...some ppl dont dare to close big famous ppl cause players would leave already badly dying game.
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He's right, though.

Right or not, i'm feeling far too important to handing out my privat datas to some norwegian guys.

In austria credit institutes even aren't allowed to ask for your telephonenumber. There a privacy-borders i aren't willing to go over for some guys in another country. Aula, Jolt i don't care.

DoM, SS, RR aren't closing u for that, i asked them.

I know PA-Crew had to take in that rule because of Jolt, but they easily can ignore it if they want. I don't believe some advocat of Jolt comes to Spinner asking for closing people because of fake reg.infos. They don't have much use if they don't sell it to 3rd partners. And we were told they don't do!
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"For all we know" is an English expression stating that one does not possess certain knowledge, but that it is a possibility.
nice summary - while you're at it, can you give me a summary of 'slander' (meant or not meant, doesnt matter) aswell ? thanks...
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Escorts and farming can be seen by eye mostly...not with proofs
One would hope the legal system never adopts your point of view
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nice summary - while you're at it, can you give me a summary of 'slander' (meant or not meant, doesnt matter) aswell ? thanks...
slan·der __ _P___Pronunciation Key__(slndr)
n. Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

If you were referring to my post, please point out the false statement.
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Right or not, i'm feeling far too important to handing out my privat datas to some norwegian guys.
You don't have to accept the EULA for Planetarion. If you decide that you do not agree with it, nothing is preventing you from closing your browser.
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Re: The Circumstances that that lead to the closing of my account ...

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I know for sure that at least 50% of the universe used wrong information details during signups to protect their privacy.
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What a nonsence. I know people using wrong information details to hide cheating and fraud much more than they do their privacy. Nor saying that you did any of those !!!

But it is vital for tracking multies that people enter true information in their signup. Much harder to multi if you need correct information. Of course this goes for accountswapping as well.

Same thing for fraud with creditcards. Much easier to detect if you clamb down hard on fake info given on signup. Ths is something that is vital for the existance of the game as was seen in the r6 (or r7) CC fraud where it cost the game a lot of money.

So their is plenty of good reason to demand truthfull info at signup. I always did and I think most honest players did as well (which still leaves room for your 50% fakes though).

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He is closed correctly, tho the reason sounds crappy.

Pa team better not start bragging about their closure-quotum if the larger part is closed for not entering their details.
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I didnt farm at r6, ask Sid, Zhil or Jent, i reserved all my targets from them. And losing roids & quitting...I think i still got pa record on that...or has any1 lost 50k roids in 1 round? (r4 happened to me)

And Leshy...Its there already...called communism
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Who gives a **** about real details?

I havnt once used my actual name, address etc. I havnt been closed for it.

Try focussing on closing those who cheat, not ****ing around by closing those who want their privacy maintained.

****ing joke.
Off course to get closed you need to get investigated. this is generally done after a complaint/accusation by another player. Top ranked players who are constantly scanned and stuff will naturally get more accusations and will therefore be investigated sooner. In such a case the false info is of course much more likely to get noticed.

So that you use false info and aren't detected is probably because you are less noticable, e.g. lower ranked, and/or you play such a clean game that there is nothing to report you for.

But if you just give you me your coords I'll report you for giving out false account info and we'll see if you will stay undetected and open for very long ;-)

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I didnt farm at r6, ask Sid, Zhil or Jent, i reserved all my targets from them. And losing roids & quitting...I think i still got pa record on that...or has any1 lost 50k roids in 1 round? (r4 happened to me)
/me waves to his round 4 C87 cheat0r. Dude, dont be proud of that, cause we all know that you had most of your gals logins, accessed them a few secs after eachother for donating you. FU.
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I didnt farm at r6, ask Sid, Zhil or Jent, i reserved all my targets from them. And losing roids & quitting...I think i still got pa record on that...or has any1 lost 50k roids in 1 round? (r4 happened to me)
Indeed, you didn't farm.
Sry for blaming you..you're right and i was wrong!

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I cant blame Frucht for not wanting to share his real info with half the world. I think the signup page says that the info you put in there wont be shared with anyone. Ironicly thats the first thing that happens, as 5th session (whatever they are called now) have a deal with someone who owns them where they hand over all the details to them.

All in all this is just another good example on how fair the PAteam see themself, and how biased that is in reality.
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Yes i started farming my gal in r4 after ourside had lost battle already. I was biggest in our parallel until that. So FU Glatze and learn to play. Btw i was invested atleast 2 times in r4 by multihunters and they gave me clear papers, so **** off u saying i cheated.
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I cant blame Frucht for not wanting to share his real info with half the world. I think the signup page says that the info you put in there wont be shared with anyone. Ironicly thats the first thing that happens, as 5th session (whatever they are called now) have a deal with someone who owns them where they hand over all the details to them.
5th Season no longer exists. At all.

Those owners are the ones you make the license agreement with, they are the ones you give your details. As such, they are not passed on to a 3rd party.
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Off course to get closed you need to get investigated. this is generally done after a complaint/accusation by another player. Top ranked players who are constantly scanned and stuff will naturally get more accusations and will therefore be investigated sooner. In such a case the false info is of course much more likely to get noticed.

So that you use false info and aren't detected is probably because you are less noticable, e.g. lower ranked, and/or you play such a clean game that there is nothing to report you for.

But if you just give you me your coords I'll report you for giving out false account info and we'll see if you will stay undetected and open for very long ;-)

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to people expressing concern

over the inclusion of the phone number in the details you're asked to give, this was included for the credit card checkups that were done on credit cards to try and combat fraud - not really applicable in a situation like this round, but it's still there. People who think we're going to give these details away or misuse them are wrong, frankly
iirc the entire reason behind closing accounts with incorrect details is to try and ensure a loophole way into cheating is closed. The fact that people keep going on about "blatant multies and farmers go unpunished" is being worked on every day - more and more cheaters are found and closed. Naturally with so many accounts it takes some time, and there is always the matter of accumulating evidence that the hunters need to close an account, but cheaters are being found and dealt with, and it's been a very high priority thing in recent meetings the team's been having.
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IT IS GOOD TOO SEE THAT THEY SPEND SOO MUCH TIME AND THOUGHT ON THAT WHILE YOU ****ING SEE THESE KINDS OF FLEETS FLYING ARROUND.


WHAT THE **** ARE YOU ****ING THINKING ? GET YOUR PRIORITIES SORTED


WHILE WE ARE ALL GETTING PISSED SINCE YOU DONT DO SQUAT ABOUT THAT AND I AM SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING SIGNING UP 'BOUT 10-15 XAN AND ZIK ESCORT PLANETS AND I AM SMART ENOUGH NOT TO GET CAUGHT.



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5th Season no longer exists. At all.

Those owners are the ones you make the license agreement with, they are the ones you give your details. As such, they are not passed on to a 3rd party.
As I said, whatever they are called now.

And ofcourse they arent sold anywhere. Why would a company sell info to anyone. (Ill belive it when I see it)
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About the phone number thing....

I get enough calls about new windows as it is
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I was top 100 last round
No offence mate, but that havent been anything to be proud about since R3.
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No offence mate, but that havent been anything to be proud about since R3.
Top 800 or so R3 .

And yes, its still nothing like the achievment it was, but its still nice to be able to say i got there once.
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