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Unread 25 Nov 2004, 15:00   #51
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Re: ND's New Thread Idea

Political Party:
Religious Democrats

Goals:
To win the election
To stop the corrupt beurocratic parties
To make education and health services better
To decrease spending on military services thus reduce defence taxes
To let all religions have their say, no matter how small or strange the religions are
To have total equality (as you may know, UK is not in equality as females are better off in a lot of aspects)
To make the police innocence-protecting, law-abiding
To legalise canabis and non-harmful hallucigenics (such as Absynth). All other drugs will stay illigal.
To legalise gambling on the grounds that the more a casino earns, the more the government has rights to those earnings. This money will go towards education and health services.
To introduce a new alcohol limitation liscence, making pubs sell very high alcoholic substances but new liscence must be paid for annually.


History:
The Religious Democrats are not all religious, but beleive all religions have their say. In the past they gained the votes from those that agree on the highly-sensetive canabis and hallucigenics subject, but lost a lot of votes from those that disagreed on the matter. They keep to this goal, beleiving strongly that people have the right to this freedom and swear strongly that cigerettes are actually worse that canabis. The Relig Dems have kept to their first few goals that they rank higher than others and have used it ever since their creation a good few decades ago.
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Re: ND's New Thread Idea

The "Fluffie Party" is probably a bit facist and militaristic. Or at least a tad totalitarian. And dictatorish. Stuff.

Fluffie should be in total control!

Russia would probably be a good friend, if they were to be friends like me... But leave me to run meh country like Tito got to, I think? Stuff like that. I'll take the test anyhow!


The Economy
1. The free market is the most efficient economic model currently available.

E - The free market is completely unnacceptable, major economic reform is needed.


2. In terms of the international economy, free trade is the way forward.

E - Free trade is the main reason Dachiskana's economy is in such a bad state at the moment.


3. Big, multinational corporations are great.

D - Multinationals are bad and need to be regulated, and then watched carefully, to make sure they don't do too much damage.


4. One of the main purposes of the government is to reduce inequality of wealth.

B - I agree, but not strongly. I think it's something the government should do, but not a main objective.


5. Globalisation is a good thing.

D - I disagree. Globalisation is good for multinational corporations and bad for everyone else.


6. The free market is incapable of providing us with services such as health and education in an acceptable manner. These should be provided universally by the government.

A - I agree strongly.


Society
1. Religion is still an important and desirable aspect of society in today's world.

E - I disagree strongly! Religion is the opiate of the masses!


2. Religion has no place in the government of a modern-day nation.

A - I agree strongly.


3. My nation's people are superior in many respects to those of other nations.

A - I agree strongly. (Except for Russia and allies eh, they be kind-a coolio, eh.)


4. The purpose of the police force is...

C - To watch the people of this nation, and make sure they do the right thing.


5. The purpose of the education system is...

B - To instill in our youth the respect for authority that society requires.


6. Homosexuals should not be allowed to marry.

C - I agree, because I really ****ing hate those damn queers.


7. The state should not allow its citizens to intentionally harm themselves for their own enjoyment, for example by smoking.

C - I have no opinion on this matter.


8. I think that rehabilitating criminals is just as important as punishing them.

E - I strongly disagree.

Politics
1. I believe that people in general are flawed, and need to be encouraged or made to do (by the state) what is best for them.

A - I strongly agree. The state is there to make sure people do the right thing.


2. Democracy is...

E - A bad thing.


3. The state must always put the interests of its own people above the interests of those of other nations.

A - I strongly agree.


4. Political parties should not be able to accept funding from large corporations.

E - I disagree strongly.


5. Democratic elections are the only legitimate way for a political organisation to gain power.

B - I agree in principle, but in some scenarios I suppose other methods would be perfectly acceptable.








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Wow. I think we can safely say that you have decidedly right-wing economic views. Only one follow up question.

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Additional Economy
1. The free market should, in its purest (and thus most efficient) form, be unregulated.

A - I agree, regulations only get in the way of economic gain.
B - I agree, corporations can be relied on to operate the economy in an acceptable manner without regulations.
C - I disagree, corporations cannot be relied on to operate the economy in an acceptable manner without regulations.
D - I disagree, regulations protect the workers and the poor from exploitation.
E - I don't like regulations, but if we were going for free market provision of merit goods like education, we'd need to regulate them in order to make sure the system worked properly.

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Then you come back and surprise me again. Your views on society are largely left wing. Follow up questions to ensue:

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Additional Social
1. No government action is legitimate that operates against or without the support of the general will of the people.

A - I agree strongly.
B - I agree, but not strongly.
C - I have no opinion on this matter.
D - I disagree, but not strongly.
E - I disagree strongly.


2. In general, the rights of the individual can be sometimes overlooked in order to benefit the people of the state as a whole.

A - Strongly agree
B - Agree in principle, but it would depend on the exact situation
C - I'm not sure.
D - Disagree in principle, but I can see why it would somtimes be necessary.
E - Disagree strongly, the rights of the individual are sacresanct.

---

Then politics. You would be sending out confusing signals if I'd read politics first, but they fall in line with and reinforce your other answers.

My conclusion: Democratic Liberal Party
Your dedication to the Western ideals of democracy and liberal social freedoms is absolute, but you believe that same rules of freedom to apply to the economy as well. You believe that, since people are generally good, they will operate society, the economy and the political process best if they are left alone and not guided by an authoritarian government.

Does this look suitable for you? If so then I'll PM you with a reccomended background/whatever and some advice.

AcidK
You answers to the economy section are baffling, and in particular your answers to Questions 4 and 6 seem to directly contradict eachother. Not sure what to think of this, so perhaps it will make more sense when I've looked at the other sections...

Social is no more helpful. You display liberal leanings in some questions, then more conservative leanings in others (specifically the gay marriage question).

Your political answers are similarly not very forthcoming with ideas of your political beliefs. As such, here's a lot of follow up questions:

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Additional Economic
1. All citizens should have access to meit services such as health and education, and the government should make sure of this.

A - I agree, and they should be free and provided by the state.
B - I agree, but they should be provided by the free market - which would be regulated to ensure adequate supply.
C - I disagree, if you don't work hard enough for your kids to go to school, that's your own problem.
D - I disagree, they should be provided by the free market, and government interference would be counter-productive.
E - I don't know.


2. The perfect distribution of wealth is where everyone has an equal share of it.

A - Strongly agree
B - Agree, but not strongly
C - I have no opinion on this matter
D - Disagree
E - Strongly disagree


3. I believe in strong progressive taxation, with the rich paying a much higher percentage of their income than the poor, who would pay very little.

A - Strongly agree
B - Agree, but not strongly
C - I have no opinion on this matter
D - I disagree, but not strongly
E - Strongly disagree


4. I believe in protectionism (government intervention to protect national industries/internal economic interests).

A - I agree, because it's the government's duty to make sure enough people as possible have jobs.
B - I agree because keeping the suppliers in our country helps the economy.
C - I disagree because it's an unnecessary burden on taxpayers.
D - I disagree because it's against free market principles.
E - I think it's necessary in some cases, but not in others.


Additional Social
1. In general, the rights of the individual can be overlooked in order to benefit the people of the state as a whole.

A - Strongly agree
B - Agree in principle, but it would depend on the exact situation
C - I'm not sure.
D - Disagree in principle, but I can see why it would somtimes be necessary.
E - Disagree strongly, the rights of the individual are sacresanct.


2. I am in favour of immigration.

A - I agree, because it's good for the economy.
B - I agree, because these people have as much right to live here as I do.
C - I agree, because these people deserve the same standard of living that I enjoy.
D - I disagree, because I don't believe helping non-citizens at the expense of citizens is something the state should do.
E - I disagree, because it's bad for the economy.


Additional Political
[i]1. No government action is legitimate that operates against or without the support of the general will of the people.

A - I agree strongly.
B - I agree, but not strongly.
C - I have no opinion on this matter.
D - I disagree, but not strongly.
E - I disagree strongly.

---

Having typed all this out, I now see that you've already made a party

I wouldn't bother mentioning canabis specifically, though, as it's not a major issue in Dachiskana at all. It's not really a major issue in this country. Your fiscal policy probably needs looking over. Naturally you can revise this little mini-manifesto when I publish the full list of "issues" for Dachiskana.

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Ah, far less confusing. You seem to put forward generally balanced, rational answers of the kind that I myself would put down. Economic indicates broadly centre; pro-free market, but also recognising the problems inherent in the system, and taking steps to correct them.

Social is more interesting. You seem to be left-of-centre on most issues, however, your answers to Questions 1, 2 and 4 are interesting. 1 and 2 will be resolved with a follow up, but 4 does not need to be - the main thing about that answer was that I gave no indication of what "the right thing" is...

Political doesn't give me any major clues. You have one follow up question:

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Additional Social
1. Religion has no place in government.

A - As in, religion should not be entrenched in the government by constitution, but democratically-elected representatives who represent religious interests are fine.
B - As in, religious interests should not be represented in government at all.
C - As in, the government should not be influenced by the religious beliefs of the populace.
D - Wait, what? Religion should have a place in the government.
E - Wait, what? Religion should
control the government!
---

On the whole, you're currently showing as a kind of Centre-Democrat Party.

Flapjack
Most people aren't stupid and recognise that in order to better public services you usually have to increase public spending, so you aren't going to win many advocates with that description of fiscal policy.

Also, I decide who funds your party and how much you get from them. You just describe the party and how it is organised, etcetera.

Also, the idea of what is effectively a political conglomerate of industrialists pursuing left wing economic policies such as public services and the bettering thereof is rather silly.

Fluffie
You don't know what fascism is

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Fascism
Extremely authoritarian, extremely right wing economical/social/political government that will often exercise ethno-centrist policies.
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Your economic answers immediately betray this, as they indicate a rather authoritarian left wing style of planned economics.

Your social answers are certainly authoritarian, and certainly right wing. However, I point out that an extreme-nationalist would not like the idea of falling under European influence or Russian influence.

Your political answers are similar. However, 2 and 5 seem to contradict eachother.

Whilst your answers are confusing, it's clear what kind of party you want.

My conclusion: National Dachiskana Party
Your dedication and duty is to Dachiskana, and to Dachiskana alone. You'll always do what is best for the majority of Dachiskanians, giving you a left wing outlook on economics, but you hate foreigners with a racist/nationalist passion, and exclude them from gain wherever possible. You generally distrust foreigners, and want to see Dachiskana rise in power and prestige internationally, becoming a nation in its own right rather than a vassal of Brussels or the Kremlin. You take a highly conservative outlook on the Dachiskanians themselves, however; the people as a whole are too stupid and ignorant to realise what is right for them, and must be told what to do by the state. In order to do this, mega-authoritarianism is required.

Is this roughly what you wanted? If so, PMs of advice and reccomendations/suggestions to follow.
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Unread 25 Nov 2004, 18:44   #54
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Re: ND's New Thread Idea

Aha, but I only said a bit facist, didn't I?! You damn f00!
The bit is the part where I will be like Hitler and attempt to make most impressive speeches and have men in uniform and parade, etc.

Economy is more planned-economy like, or at least, what I wish for. It's going to be hard to tell the people what they actually really want, though.

So yes, it's roughly what I wanted, only without the Spetznaz I guess



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Re: ND's New Thread Idea

Oh...crap ND, I was doing that to give you an idea of what I was doing. Randian libertarians, aka objectivists.
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Ahah. Could just have described them, then...

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I say again, the questionaire is for people who aren't sure of how to classify their political beliefs/collate them into a core part ideology. If you want to take it anyway then fine, but if you have a good idea of what you want your party to be doing, you can just describe it.
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ND, I said that BY switching to free market economy for the public service I will improve their quality and decrease the prices of them, in addition to freeing up government funds
This is based on the principle of competition, if a company doesn't offer the service wanted for a reasonable price, people will simply go to another company, be that a school, a hospital, an insurance company or a public transportation company.

I hope I didn't forget to mention I also intend to lower taxes and with some of the freed up money increase defense spending in order to be able to put out government contracts for the country's industry to forfill for way to much money?
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Well, whatever.
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I'll stick to my policitcal agenda on the top of this page rather than carrying out the test

I just answer how I see the questions towards what my government would do.
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Economy
1. E
2. E
3. E
4. A
5. E
6. A

Society
1. B
2. D
3. A
4. A
5. E
6. B
7. A
8. A

Politics
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ND's Political Alignment Test

The Economy
1. The free market is the most efficient economic model currently available.
A - I agree completely.

2. In terms of the international economy, free trade is the way forward.
D - I'm all for international trade, but you've got to protect your own interests with subsidies and such.

3. Big, multinational corporations are great.
C - Multinationals can be a good thing for the economy as a whole in some circumstances, but they have to be watched.

4. One of the main purposes of the government is to reduce inequality of wealth.
E - I disagree strongly. The government should only provide what the free market can't; things like defense. Poor people can rot in hell. They're all lazy.

5. Globalisation is a good thing.
C - I have no opinion on this matter.

6. The free market is incapable of providing us with services such as health and education in an acceptable manner. These should be provided universally by the government.
D - I disagree.

Society
1. Religion is still an important and desirable aspect of society in today's world.
A - I agree strongly.

2. Religion has no place in the government of a modern-day nation.
C - I have no opinion on his matter.

3. My nation's people are superior in many respects to those of other nations.
A - I agree strongly.

4. The purpose of the police force is...
A - To destroy crime, and those who perpetrate it! Rah!

5. The purpose of the education system is...
E - To educate our youth and smite foolishness, turning them into rational and thoughtful adults.


6. Homosexuals should not be allowed to marry.
A - I agree, because marriage is a Christian tradition and the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong.

7. The state should not allow its citizens to intentionally harm themselves for their own enjoyment, for example by smoking.
C - I have no opinion on this matter.

8. I think that rehabilitating criminals is just as important as punishing them.
A - I strongly agree.

Politics
1. I believe that people in general are flawed, and need to be encouraged or made to do (by the state) what is best for them.
D - I disagree. People in general are good, and will do fine in most activities if left to their own devices.

2. Democracy is...
C - A good thing, but too much of it is bad.

3. The state must always put the interests of its own people above the interests of those of other nations.
A - I strongly agree.

4. Political parties should not be able to accept funding from large corporations.
E - I disagree strongly.


5. Democratic elections are the only legitimate way for a political organisation to gain power.
B - I agree in principle, but in some scenarios I suppose other methods would be perfectly acceptable.
Disclaimer: The answers given above do not apply to my personal political beliefs. They're just to inform the population of Dachistan of some of the views of my party.
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Disclaimer: The answers given above do not apply to my personal political beliefs. They're just to inform the population of Dachistan of some of the views of my party.
That goes without saying. Everyone knows that I am a pinko commie anarchist, not an anarcho-capitalist.
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I didn't.

And I just thought I'd add it, in case people would get the wrong idea.
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Re: ND's New Thread Idea

If you guys don't mind me crashing the party...
The Economy:

1: B

2: B

3: C

4: B

5: B

6: B

Society:

1: B

2: D

3: C

4: C

5: D

6: D

7: D

8: B

Politics:

1: B

2: B

3: B

4: D

5: B

Actually, considering this, i guess i'm representing the liberal religious left... who woulda thunk it?
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Ah, far less confusing. You seem to put forward generally balanced, rational answers of the kind that I myself would put down. Economic indicates broadly centre; pro-free market, but also recognising the problems inherent in the system, and taking steps to correct them.

Social is more interesting. You seem to be left-of-centre on most issues, however, your answers to Questions 1, 2 and 4 are interesting. 1 and 2 will be resolved with a follow up, but 4 does not need to be - the main thing about that answer was that I gave no indication of what "the right thing" is...

Political doesn't give me any major clues. You have one follow up question:

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Additional Social
1. Religion has no place in government.

A - As in, religion should not be entrenched in the government by constitution, but democratically-elected representatives who represent religious interests are fine.
B - As in, religious interests should not be represented in government at all.
C - As in, the government should not be influenced by the religious beliefs of the populace.
D - Wait, what? Religion should have a place in the government.
E - Wait, what? Religion should
control the government!
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On the whole, you're currently showing as a kind of Centre-Democrat Party.
Heh, guess my academic background is showing, but just to make it clear - Organised religion is the bane of humanity.

Additional Social
1. Religion has no place in government.

C - As in, the government should not be influenced by the religious beliefs of the populace (Bare in mind, I nearly put B).


State and church do not mix.
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That kind of makes you slightly more authoritarian than you would have been...

I'm sticking with Centre Democrat Party:
You don't think of yourself as ideologically partisan. Rather, you're a pragmatist and you think strong indeological principles are irrational and obstructive of sensible, effective government. You'll have none of them within your party, which rationally recognises problem and then takes rational steps toward solving them. You recognise, for example, that a lot of Dachiskana's present problems stem from inequality of wealth, and so adopt the (from your point of view) only sensible response; steps to even the distribution thereof out a bit more. The general result of this is a party that is left on some issues and right on others, but broadly liberal in its attitudes toward most aspects of the socio-political climate. The one exception to this generalisation is your party's stance on religion; you see religion as utterly irrational, and as such you strongy believe that it should have very little place indeed in modern society.

Does this sound roughly like you?

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That kind of makes you slightly more authoritarian than you would have been...

I'm sticking with Centre Democrat Party:
You don't think of yourself as ideologically partisan. Rather, you're a pragmatist and you think strong indeological principles are irrational and obstructive of sensible, effective government. You'll have none of them within your party, which rationally recognises problem and then takes rational steps toward solving them. You recognise, for example, that a lot of Dachiskana's present problems stem from inequality of wealth, and so adopt the (from your point of view) only sensible response; steps to even the distribution thereof out a bit more. The general result of this is a party that is left on some issues and right on others, but broadly liberal in its attitudes toward most aspects of the socio-political climate. The one exception to this generalisation is your party's stance on religion; you see religion as utterly irrational, and as such you strongy believe that it should have very little place indeed in modern society.

Does this sound roughly like you?
Yep. Dead on.

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edit: btw can I rename my political party to the Labor Party?
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No, because you're not socialist enough. Changing your name to something else is fine on principle, but the Labour Party would imply strong ties to workers, which you won't naturally posses.
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Economy
1. E
2. E
3. E
4. A
5. E
6. A

Society
1. B
2. D
3. A
4. A
5. E
6. B
7. A
8. A

Politics
1. A
2. E
3. A
4. A
5. E


Are these your views or the views of the kind of party you'd like to play? If the latter, then I'd prefer you went with something else as we've already got a highly authoritarian left-ist-ish party.

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You're coming up as an authoritarian right wing party. Your economic views in particular are right wing. I'm going to go with...

National Democrat Party
You and your party possess distinctly nationalist leanings; you believe in protectionist economic policy to protect Dachiskanian jobs, you believe that Dachiskanians are superior to the other nationalities around them. You're not completely adverse to foreigners however, in the right circumstances (for example, when they are corporate tycoons) you're perfectly willing to tolerate them, provided the general effect of their actions in to help Dachiskana. Your party has strong views on a lot of social issues, acting against influences that it percieves corrupt the pure morals of the Dachiskanian people - corrupting influences such as homosexuality. You are traditionalists, believing (or at least countenancing in part) religion, and believing in the nuclear family bound by traditional values. All this said, your party supports the idea of democracy in general, which helps distinguish it somewhat from more extreme parties.

Along the lines of what you had in mind?

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I'm getting a fairly clear trend here, but I need a couple of additional questions filled out before I pigeonhole your ideology into a party:

Additional Social
1. My views on family values are...

A - The family unit is still very important in modern society. Women should stop being all uppitty and wanting
jobs and stuff. I mean what the hell? Back to the kitchen...
B - The family unit is still important in modern society - namely because the best environment for a child to grow up in is one of stability, love and support that the two parent family is good at providing.
C - Family units are still important in modern society, and divorce is wrong. The Bible says so.
D - The importance of the family unit is overrated. Society is changing, and the family unit is outdated.
E - I don't really have an opinion on this issue.


Additional Political
1. I see myself as a servant of...

A - The general will of the people.
B - The general will of the rational people.
C - The oppressed and underprivelaged worker class.
D - The sensible and productive middle class.
E - The talented and resourceful rich.
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Are these your views or the views of the kind of party you'd like to play? If the latter, then I'd prefer you went with something else as we've already got a highly authoritarian left-ist-ish party.


Economy
1. E
2. D
3. C
4. B
5. D
6. A

Society
1. A
2. E
3. B
4. A
5. A
6. B
7. A
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Politics
1. E
2. C
3. A
4. B
5. D

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You're coming up as an authoritarian right wing party. Your economic views in particular are right wing. I'm going to go with...

National Democrat Party
You and your party possess distinctly nationalist leanings; you believe in protectionist economic policy to protect Dachiskanian jobs, you believe that Dachiskanians are superior to the other nationalities around them. You're not completely adverse to foreigners however, in the right circumstances (for example, when they are corporate tycoons) you're perfectly willing to tolerate them, provided the general effect of their actions in to help Dachiskana. Your party has strong views on a lot of social issues, acting against influences that it percieves corrupt the pure morals of the Dachiskanian people - corrupting influences such as homosexuality. You are traditionalists, believing (or at least countenancing in part) religion, and believing in the nuclear family bound by traditional values. All this said, your party supports the idea of democracy in general, which helps distinguish it somewhat from more extreme parties.

Along the lines of what you had in mind?
Sure that'll do nicely. Anything with "democratic" in the party's name (whether it applies or not) will attract voters.
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Additional Social
1. My views on family values are...
B - The family unit is still important in modern society - namely because the best environment for a child to grow up in is one of stability, love and support that the two parent family is good at providing.

Additional Political
1. I see myself as a servant of...
B - The general will of the rational people.

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Apologies for the delay, I spent most of yesterday trying to figure out how a map of this thing would work. It's turning out harder than I had anticipated. I'll analyse the remaining questionaire results today and then post what I need in terms of party details from each of you tomorrow.
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No, because you're not socialist enough. Changing your name to something else is fine on principle, but the Labour Party would imply strong ties to workers, which you won't naturally posses.
Ok then, my party shall then be known as the Dachiskanian Centrilist Party a.k.a the DCP.

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Sounds fine.
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Economy
1. E
2. D
3. C
4. B
5. D
6. A

Society
1. A
2. E
3. B
4. A
5. A
6. B
7. A
8. A

Politics
1. E
2. C
3. A
4. B
5. D

Better?
I'm getting a high reading on my DachiConfuse-o-Meter. Economic views are still coming out generally left wing. Social views come out generally nationalist/conervative right wing. Political views come out a-democratic nationalist.

ND's Conclusion: Dachiskanian Workers' Party
You're looking out for the workers, the Dachiskanian workers, and your party generally does what's good for them. Most of your party's generally conservative views on socio-political views are derived from the nationalist tendencies inherent within your role as Guardian of the Blue Collar Dachiskanian.

Broadly correct?

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Dachiskanian Conservative Party
You see problems in the world, sure, but you don't see the need for rapid, destablising reform in order to correct them. Rather, you prefer a slow, gradual system of change where noone is forced to take a step backward in order to bring another a step forward. Despite carrying the name "conservative", your party is only-just right of centre on most social issues, and is openly liberal on others. There is a general sense about your party of the paternal guardian to the much-loved but nonetheless ignorant and not always wise child of that is the electorate.

Broadly correct?
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I'm getting a high reading on my DachiConfuse-o-Meter. Economic views are still coming out generally left wing. Social views come out generally nationalist/conervative right wing. Political views come out a-democratic nationalist.

ND's Conclusion: Dachiskanian Workers' Party
You're looking out for the workers, the Dachiskanian workers, and your party generally does what's good for them. Most of your party's generally conservative views on socio-political views are derived from the nationalist tendencies inherent within your role as Guardian of the Blue Collar Dachiskanian.

Broadly correct?
Good enough
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Dachiskanian Conservative Party
You see problems in the world, sure, but you don't see the need for rapid, destablising reform in order to correct them. Rather, you prefer a slow, gradual system of change where noone is forced to take a step backward in order to bring another a step forward. Despite carrying the name "conservative", your party is only-just right of centre on most social issues, and is openly liberal on others. There is a general sense about your party of the paternal guardian to the much-loved but nonetheless ignorant and not always wise child of that is the electorate.


Ya, that's cool. Even if it's accurate, though, the term "Conservative" scares me. How about "Moderate"?
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If you're a right-o-phobe you could always drop the Big C. A "conservative" is merely someone who is generally sceptical of rapid change/reform.
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Party Name: The "Dachi Is Party"
Party Leader No Dachi
Other Key Party Figures (PC) [Other key figures in your party, played by RPers]
Other Key Party Figures (NPC): [Other key figures in your party, played by NPCs of your own creation. These people might fill roles such as party public relations officer, or potential cabinet positions, for example Spokesman for the Economy.]

Summary of Party Political Views: The Dachi Is Party believe passionately that their leader, No Dachi, is cool and should be recognised as such. They favour a mixed economy, with a free market controlling almost all industries, but a strong system of social welfare combined with progressive taxation to help ease disparity of wealth. The Dachi Is Party believes in the rights of the individual, and in the (recent) democratic traditions of Dachiskana, but make it clear they stand as representatives, not as delegates and mere mouthpieces to public opinion - acting largely on the merit of their own judgement...(etcetera)
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Party Infrastructure - Helps with your party's internal organisation, which is important, particularly if you are planning to run throughout the country. Party Infrastructure funding pays for things like central offices and the corresponding staff.
Party Advertising - A good advertising campaign can make all the difference for an aspiring politician. Funds shovelled under this heading pay for party propaganda which will help inform potential voters of your party's views and merits (or, you could flat out lie to them).
Party Contacts (Internal) - Pays for maintenance and communication with contacts held by your party within national insitutions such as the civil service, the military, etcetera. Specify where you want your contacts to be when putting funds here. No, having contacts in the military will not enable you to field vast numbers of soldiers to stage a military coup. PM me the details if you want it kept secret.
Party Contacts (External) - Pays for maintenance and communication with contacts held by your party with international organisations. Maybe you're going to be a dirty whore and sell your nation out to the Russians? Vladimir Putin dreams of a resurgent Russian Empire, and would love to hear from you. Similarly you could try to get contacts in the European Union, in the UN, in Amnesty International, whatever. The sky's the limit. Obviously, getting a contact in the White House is more difficult than getting a contact in a pressure group or whatever. Some external organisations will also be pre-disposed toward joining your party due to its promises/views.
Party Works - Are you a candidate for the Reds? If so, idealistic middle class voters will be most impressed if they see your party distributing charitable donations to the poor. Money to Party Works can be spent in any number of ways, so do tell me how you want it spent.
Miscellaneous - This is where you put money to buy petrol bombs that your plainclothes agents will throw at police during an otherwise peaceful demonstration by supporters of one of your opposing parties. Miscellaneous could be used for far les nefarious purposes, so do specify.
Party Recruitment - The more money you put in here, the more people you'll recruit into your party proper, as in actual party members, not merely people who intend to vote for you. You may find that this results in larger returns in funding,, it could be looked on as s form of investment.
Party Action - High funding to Party Action enables you to do impressive shit like launch huge demonstrations against whatever.

I haven't finalised this section yet, but do it anyway. Any feedback is welcome.
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Party Funding: [As above.]

I may add in more fields later.
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Dachiskanian Workers' Party

Party Leader: Ekaterina
Key Party Figures (NPC):
...Economic Advisor: Grigorii
...Social Advisor: Yurii
...Political Advisor: Katyenka
...PR Advisor: Prokhor
...'Special Projects' Leader: Nikolai


Summary of Party Political Views

The DWP thinks that foreign intervention, both by foreign governments and multinational corporations, is responsible for economic and sociopolitical problems in Dachiskana.
Economically, they oppose the free market, and think government regulation, especially on foreign trade and traders, is needed. They acknowledge that multinational corporations can bring much needed investment into the country, but do not think they should be allowed to operate without government regulation. They also think that public services, such as health care and education, should be provided by the government.
Socially, they understand that Dachiskanians are superior to foreigners, and it is only circumstances that have left them in such a bad position. They are intolerant of those who do not uphold the 'correct values' of Dachiskanian society, and as such believe the police force should be very proactive in hunting down criminals. However, they also undersand that criminals are not beyond redemption. Many have strayed from the path because of the corrupt governments that have ruled the country, and if shown the correct path, they will return to being good citizens. They also understand that the education system must instill Dachiskanian values into children from a young age.
Politically, they believe that the government does not need to keep close eye on its citizens, only on those that are known to be troublemakers. It is the current state, and its inability to realise what is good for Dachiskana, that has resulted in people losing sight of the true Dachiskanian values to become criminals. While supportive of a democracy, they know that it has its limits, and sometimes the government needs to take action against the will of the people. Conversely, sometimes the people need to take action to dispose of a corrupt or unjust government. Political parties should have the good of the people at the forefront of their thinking, and should not be unduly influenced by 'donations' from large corporations. Also, parties which do not have the good of the people as their main aim should be prevented from gaining power, as they would only use it to corrupt others to their way of thinking.


Party Funding

Budget: 100

Party Infrastructure: 10
Party Advertising: 15
Party Contacts (Internal): 20
Party Contacts (External): 0
Party Works: 15
Misc: 20
Party Recruitment: 10
Party Action: 10


Party Funding Notes

Internal Contacts: Civil Service and Trade Unions
Party Works: Donations to help the unemployed (loyal Dachiskanians whose jobs have been taken by evil foreign workers)
Misc: 'There is no Special Projects division.'
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Political party name: Free industrialists
party leader: Remy Redert
major party members (NPC):

goals: To win the election and then to massively improve this country's economical situation, solving problems such as a low education level and high unemployment levels. Also the liberalisation of public transport and healthcare to improve its quality and reduce the costs. Last but not least, with the decrease of government spending, we will be able to finance a DROP IN TAXES.

History: The Free Industrialists is financed mostly by big multinationals, though they're telling everyone that they're financing from personal funds and national corporations. The Free Industrialists has not been in the election before, as they didn't have the $$$ to spend millions on 'marketing' to gain votes. Most importantly of all, they're actaully honest about their goals and will try to keep them to the best of their abilities.

Party funding:

budget: 100$

party infrastructure: 5$
party advertising: 5$
party contacts (internal): 5$
party contacts (external): 40$
party works: 0$
misc: 10$
party recruitment: 30$
party action: 5$

notes:
external contacts: Microsoft, USA government (by ways of getting a person close to the ruling government), Tromp corp., Colt arms., possibly more.
internal contacts: police dept.
misc: A variety of projects, currently the money is just saving up and gaining interest, trust me, I'm always honest
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Political party name: Libertarians
Party leader: Lakhim Natil
Major party members (NPC):
None at this time

Goals: To influence the larger parties of the election towards a more decentralized, relaxed government, introduce new issues into the electoral environment and hopefully pick up some seats in the Dachiskanian senate/house.

Main political points at this time (% of time devoted):
Economy (30%) (Decrying massive unemployment as the fault of government regulation, calls for the elimination of the income tax and the institution of a national sales tax, preferably low)
Gun Control (10%, targeted to rural areas) (Legalization of all weapons and guns, besides some weapons such as atomic bombs which constitute weapons of mass destruction)
Abortion (10%) (Legalization)
Gay Marriage (5%, targeted to cities) (Legalization)
Foreign Policy (40%) (A withdrawal from the outside world, cutting costs and getting out of the way of other people, instead focusing on returning more money to the people and doing what we can at home)
Religion (5%) (Targeted to cities) (Removal from all parts of the government, wishes for a constitutional amendment to protect freedom of religion and freedom from religion in the charter if one does not yet exist)
(Subject to change at any time)

Party Funding:
Party Infrastructure $20
Party Advertising $20
Party Contacts (Internal) $0
Party Contacts (External) $0
Party Works $10 (To all poor and needy, provided that they have/are looking for a job. We help those who help themselves)
Party Recruitment $25
Party Action $25
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Party Name:
Conservative Progressive Alliance (CPA)

Party Leader:
Simon Novalis

Other Key Party Figures (NPC):
Osip Novalis, Yure Potolski - Policy Advisors
Krystian Yushenko - Social Spokesman
Vanko Pasternak - Education Spokesman
Hadeon Mersa - Economy Spokesman
Borysko Yerofeev - Justice Spokesman
Sofiya Nabratilov - Transport & Communications Spokeswoman

Summary of Party Political Views:
The Conservative Progressive Alliance (CPA) believes in safeguarding the rights and interests of every single citizen of Dachiskana by balancing them against the rights of all other citizens, providing an equitable and safe base for all of our citizens to build from.
We recognise and respect the traditional freedoms of our people, and devote ourselves to not only helping them achieve what they are capable of, but also maintaining their successes.
We therefore also believe in tackling the root causes of crime and anti-social behaviour in order to safeguard the right of all citizens to live freely and work toward a brighter future for Dachiskana; we also believe in equal treatment for all in terms of social care whilst allowing for personal choice.
We recognise the importance of maintaining status within the international community, with strong foreign trade links providing the only viable option for the maintenance of the economy. Foreign powers, including multinational corporations, cannot be allowed to control Dachiskana, however. Even centralised state power can often be of little help to local communities, hence our push for greater local control within a larger state network; the purpose of government is, after all, to protect people and their right to live their lives, and to make sure that they do the same for each other.

Party Funding:
Party Infrastructure - 25 (Focusing on local groups and small local intiatives)
Party Advertising - 5
Party Contacts (Internal) - 25 (Education system, esp. Universities; White Collar Trade Unions)
Party Contacts (External) - 10 (UN)
Party Works - 10 (Local intiatives, Religious aid intiatives- soup kitchens, counselling etc.)
Miscellaneous - 0
Party Recruitment - 20 (largely based in Universities and White Collar Trade Unions)
Party Action - 5
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Party Name: Freedom Party
Party Leader Cid Lustonburg

Other Key Party Figures (NPC):
Natashia Pajun - Economy Spokeswoman
Antony Hunz - Foreign Office Spokesman
Edgar Wichovski - Education Spokesman
Anastasia Ghan - Social Spokeswoman
Paul Spenvich - Military Spokesman
Kyle Malostin - Transportation Spokesman
Henry Canyosovich - Religious Spokesman
Pastov Vinongradov - Justice and Police Spokesman


Summary of Party Political Views:
The Freedom Party strongly beleives in the freedom of others in what they can and cannot do within the limits, of course, of actual sense. This has caused them to promote the idea of not having a too-strong military but a useful and resourceful police throughout Dachistan. The party is made up mostly of old Dachistan families that have seen too much war over the history and seem not to look lindly onto it. The party also veiws that education and a good social workforce is required to allow Dachistan to grow effectively as a country.



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Party Infrastructure - $10
Party Advertising - $20
Party Contacts (Internal) - $20
($5 to Social Authority, $10 to Education Services, $5 to Police/Justice)

Party Contacts (External) - $0
Party Works - $10 (Money to the poor and people unable to gain money for other reasons, ie disabilities or illness)
Miscellaneous - $0
Party Recruitment - $20
Party Action - $20
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Party Name: National Democrat Party (NDP)
Party Leader Urquanov
Key Party Figures (NPC):
Economic advisor: Pjotr Petronivic
Social advisor: Boris Ramski
Legal advisor: Anouschka Ivanko
PR advisor: Tatjana Alenka
Oddjobs woman: 'Nadia' (she 'takes care' of things and answers only to Urquanov)
(I'll make up more as I go along and it turns out I actually need them.)

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Summary of Party Political Views:

The National Democrat Party (or NDP) has strong ties with the powerful Dachiskanian elite and the wealthy Dachiskanian industrials. It also holds considerable influence over that part of society that upholds Dachiskanian law and as such most of the party is made up of people from these layers of Dachiskanian society.

The NDP believes that the free market (along with the right legislation) is a good tool to improve the Dachiskanian economy. Education of people is needed to decrease unemployment.
The NDP has strong views on a lot of social issues, acting against influences that it perceives corrupt the pure morals of the Dachiskanian people. Crime has no place in Dachiskanian society and should be dealt with accordingly.
The NDP has strong nationalistic views in that it believes in the power of Dachiskanian natives to build their own future, without mingling in from other countries, such as the EU and US. The only exception to this is Russia with which Dachiskan has had strong ties since the end of WWII on both defensive as well as economic issues.

In short: the NDP stands for a strong, wealthy and independent Dachiskan that rivals any other modern nation in the world.

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Party Funding: $100

Party Infrastructure - $10
Party Advertising - $10
Party Contacts (Internal) - $15 (Dachiskanian industrialists/major corporations, the Dachiskanian elite population and the Department of Justice)
Party Contacts (External) - $10 (Russian government)
Party Works - $10 (Better education, more jobs)
Miscellaneous - $15 (I could specify, but I'd have to kill you...)
Party Recruitment - $20
Party Action - $10
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Re: ND's New Thread Idea

Currently awaiting posts from various people who expressed interest/took the questionaire.
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just start us off and let them catch up later, if they're fast enough
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I won't be doing anything of the sort.
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Re: ND's New Thread Idea

I'm afraid between being ill and my work schedule going erradict AGAIN, I won't be able to keep up with this thread enough to be anything more than a burdon on it. Sorry for wasting your time ND with the questionaire.
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It happens, so no problems there.
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Re: ND's New Thread Idea

I think the Ukraine will have a president before this thread gets started.
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You're probably right.
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Fluffie hasn't got the required amount of inteligence, free (used for this thread) time and several other things.

Basically I think I'm not clever enough at the moment to run an entire party here. I could be someone for someone though, if someone would want to..
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Re: ND's New Thread Idea

I kinda need to join the chorus... i didn't think through my party very well, and i'm not sure revision time is best spent wrangling with imaginary fiscal policies... sorry for wasting your time. This does seem like a really great thread though, and i'll be reading it.
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Ho ho ho, you're all welcome to join in with the Libs.
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Re: ND's New Thread Idea

Well, if any of you think that you could make yourself useful to the NDP, feel free to drop your resume in my mailbox or whatever.
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Re: ND's New Thread Idea

Has this thread completely died then?
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Probably. A lot of people dropped out, and more people still never actually posted...
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This is a bummer- it sounded like a really good thread. I would have played if i wasn't so cripplingly lazy.
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