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Atheists/Agnostics pls step in.
So consdering that relgion etc is a load of drivel for the weak minded, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc flame here, etc etc etc flame there etc etc, stupid, etc etc etc (I am sure you get it by now  )
What are you doing on the 25th December?, I assume you wont be celebrating any religious festivals by exchanging gifts, or expecting any gifts from your parents or loved ones.
I also assume that you would decline any gifts as it would stand in opposition of your beliefs, wouldnt it?
Regardless of Christmases pagan origins, and the fact that it is essentially more of a commercial affair these days, it is and has been a recognised christian festival for over 1500 years, surely you wouldnt celebrate its traditions?
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God is real and Atheists believe in God.
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22 Dec 2002, 02:31
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christmas was invented in the first half of the 20th century in order to make the lives of working class parents an absolute misery.
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Atheist
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
I think you meant to pick me up on the meaning of agnostic, who is somebody who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. So by definition they cannot be Christian.
That enough to keeping your little mouth shut for a while?
And yes I know I smell, Sunday is bath day, the problem will be solved in 24 hours
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22 Dec 2002, 02:33
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Re: Atheists/Agnostics pls step in.
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I also assume that you would decline any gifts as it would stand in opposition of your beliefs, wouldnt it?
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You don't have to acknowledge the religious part of Christmas to partake in it. If seen as a moment of peace for the world, to celebrate with your loved ones, there is no reason why Atheists/Agnosticists should not be able to enjoy Christmas.
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22 Dec 2002, 02:37
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BuddhistPunk: May you choke on the puke of your foolish beliefs. My mouth is not little (but you do smell - it can't be helped)
FYI, an Atheist is not going to believe in the Jesus side of things but will exchange gifts, teach the young children of santa with stories like Rudolph etc. - it's just christmas without jesus and god
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22 Dec 2002, 02:40
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an atheist might still want to celebrate the birth of jesus.
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22 Dec 2002, 02:42
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lets have a bit of christmas cheer. :deer: :deer: :xmas: :xmas:  :santa_wav :santa_wav
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22 Dec 2002, 02:43
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22 Dec 2002, 02:46
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which is why I said Christmas is just christmas without god or jesus 
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22 Dec 2002, 02:54
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As a christian i hope you do not put up a christmas tree, after all it is a pagan ritual.
As an athiest i still celebrate christmas as a time for the family, to us it is not a religous event at all, but a time to celebrate the family.
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22 Dec 2002, 03:02
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As a christian i hope you do not put up a christmas tree, after all it is a pagan ritual.
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so's sacrificing virgins but you arent taking that familty tradition away from me either!
btw relgion was invented by the pope in 1843 to stop poor people thinking.
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22 Dec 2002, 03:06
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btw relgion was invented by the pope in 1843 to stop poor people thinking.
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22 Dec 2002, 03:11
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As a satanist struggling in this oppressively christian world, i will be spending christmas day with my parents, where i will both give and recieve presents. This is not for religious reasons, but for social reasons (its fun to give and recive presents is it not?). I wont be concerned with any Christian activities mind, although the rest of my family will be going to church and carol singing etc. I will be watching the Queens speach however as I am English to the core. As far as I know we will also be eating the traditional Christmas dinner thing.
For most of the time I will be reading books as I dont believe in TV.
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22 Dec 2002, 05:06
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Re: Atheists/Agnostics pls step in.
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So consdering that relgion etc is a load of drivel for the weak minded, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc flame here, etc etc etc flame there etc etc, stupid, etc etc etc (I am sure you get it by now )
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Why should be religion and atheism be an oxymoron?
From the christian point of view - which defines god as personified entity - buddhism could be deemed as atheism, since it does not believe in god as a personified beeing. So from atheist = unreligious people -> buddhist = unreligious?
A rather strange assumptation ... 
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It has been a long time since christmas was a purely religious event, it has been politiced (Christmas peace anyone?) and converted to a social element a long time ago.
So, any person not believing in the christian definition of god and the world can very well celebrate the social event while abstaining from the religious aspect.
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My christmas celebrations begin christmas eve where i go out and get monged with m8s.
Christmas morning i get up and open up gifts. I go sulk in my room because i didnt get lego. I go eat. I play with my 'toys'/watch a dvd. I go eat turky and stuffing sandwiches. I go for a couple of beers with m8s. I go watch some tv. I play with my toys. I go to bed.
Oh and for your information I'm a buddhist, punk. (hey! i made a punn \o/). Like athiests we dont believe in a god. We dont disbelieve in jesus though (but thats not important).
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I'm an Atheist/Agnostic.
Christmas is my favorite holiday of the year.
It can't be that hard to imagine. :xmas:
(You sound like one of those feminists who want the word 'history' changed)
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Christmas has become, for all intents and purposes, a secular non-denominational festival. I dont see why a non-Christian wouldnt celebrate it due to its religious beginnings - its more of a socio-cultural thing than a religious thing these days.
PS im not an atheist/agnostic, can i post in ur thread plz???
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I know a Hindu that celebrates Christmas. It has become a universal celebration of love, and doesn't need to involve Jesus or God.
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I'm neither of the things you described, nor do i recognize myself in any religion i've met so far. For the purposes of this thread let's call me "agnostic".
I feel christmas lost it's religious content years and years ago, and has since become a festival of
a) eating
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c) presents
call me a greedy gluttonous **** but i like it.
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I'm not celebrating a Christian festival at all. I'm celebrating Christmas as a British tradition. Nothing more.
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As an atheist I shall be spending the day at home enjoying not going to work.
As numerous people have posted, Xmas is basically secular nowdays. And even if religion was completley abolished, there'd probably be some kind of Winter Solstice (or whatever) to give us Northern Hemispherers (?) some cheer through the long winter.
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I don't believe in my 'given' religion, all religion is bull**** imo, yet i still celebrate the wonderful time of year that is Christmas \o/
santa > *
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Why would an atheist (in the truest sense) celebrate the birth of the son of a being that they cant decide if exists or not.
I may be wrong be doesnt that sound a little contradictory.
And to the people, who attempting to flame my beliefs: Would you like to point out where I expressed the opinion or belief that you so eloquently fail to destroy
All I ask is a question, how you choose to interpret it is half of the answer for me.
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Why would an atheist (in the truest sense) celebrate the birth of the son of a being that they cant decide if exists or not.
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Jesus seems to have been a fairly nice bloke, albeit with delusions of grandeur. But we all have our problems.
Oh and atheists have made their mind up about god. That's why they're not agnostics.
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Well why didn't you say so in the first place!
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awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww baby jesus
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i'm an atheism but i still celebrate christmas. Simply because i am 'commercially tainted'
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I'm an athiest, but i'll still be swapping gifts as I like getting pressies.
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You are all forgetting that Christmas was originally a Pagan festival anyway ...
tum ti tum ti tum!
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Almost my entire knowledge on the point i'm about to make is based on an episode of the simpsons so is prolly completely wrong but don't for example Buddhists believe that it is possible to respect and take part in other religious festivals?
(Lisa still takes part in xmas after talking to richard gere (i think?) )
I can still easily respect other cultures/religions traditions whilst still not sharing the beliefs that they are based on.
Add to that the fact that christmas in the sense that your are talking about it (swapping presents, etc) has **** all to do with any religious traditions anyway.
Oh and also i don't necessarily believe in God but i certainly don't think religions are just "a load of drivel for the weak minded, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc flame here, etc etc etc flame there etc etc, stupid, etc etc etc".
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As a sidenote, non-Christians celebrating Christmas for purely social/commercial reasons helps 'cheapen' the 'true meaning' of Christmas from the Christian perspective, and hastens up its transformation into a totally secular festival.
Theres an advertising slogan for you: "Buy a christmas card, and help destroy the Christian monopoly on the winter solstice".
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As a sidenote, non-Christians celebrating Christmas for purely social/commercial reasons helps 'cheapen' the 'true meaning' of Christmas from the Christian perspective, and hastens up its transformation into a totally secular festival.
Theres an advertising slogan for you: "Buy a christmas card, and help destroy the Christian monopoly on the winter solstice".
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True Christians will also celebrate their Christmas in church. Non-Christians celebrating Christmas in the presents and cake manner will not make a difference (any more) when it comes to cheapening its true meaning, it cant get any lower. Only by mass flocking to churches/ceremonies etc will we beable to cheapen it, and they are far too boreing to be worth the time and effort!
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I'm rationally agnostic, yet I'm a christian.
This means I'll be going to church but I won't bother thinking about what I'm doing there. AHAHAHAHA.
PS You can still celebrate christmas though! It's not like jesus was actually born on the 25th of decemeber heh. It's the pagan festival of <somethingorotheriforget>.
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Re: Atheists/Agnostics pls step in.
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So consdering that relgion etc is a load of drivel for the weak minded, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc flame here, etc etc etc flame there etc etc, stupid, etc etc etc (I am sure you get it by now )
What are you doing on the 25th December?, I assume you wont be celebrating any religious festivals by exchanging gifts, or expecting any gifts from your parents or loved ones.
I also assume that you would decline any gifts as it would stand in opposition of your beliefs, wouldnt it?
Regardless of Christmases pagan origins, and the fact that it is essentially more of a commercial affair these days, it is and has been a recognised christian festival for over 1500 years, surely you wouldnt celebrate its traditions?
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Why would an atheist (in the truest sense) celebrate the birth of the son of a being that they cant decide if exists or not.
I may be wrong be doesnt that sound a little contradictory.
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basically what Dante Hicks said. you can accept jesus existed without having to accept he was the son of god.
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Jesus was born in April
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An atheist can pray, go to church, or do any of the other things that christians do. He just can't believe in god (or he ceases to be an atheist)
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You are all forgetting that Christmas was originally a Pagan festival anyway ...
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Why single out athiests and agnostics? Why not the buddhists, hindus, sikhs, moslems, jews and whoever else who doesn't accept the full extent of Christian dogma?
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Why single out athiests and agnostics? Why not the buddhists, hindus, sikhs, moslems, jews and whoever else who doesn't accept the full extent of Christian dogma?
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- The majority of the "l337" like to scream and shout about being Agnostic/Atheist and this thread is aimed at them and their inflexibility & dersion towards other peoples beliefs.
- You will find that the majority of true buddhists, hindus, sikhs, moslems, jews do not celebrate christmas.
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