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Unread 31 Oct 2002, 18:50   #51
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16 Margaret Thatcher (Baroness Thatcher) - BBC News <-- what the fk! something is twisted here.. or is this "Worst Britons".
Find out what Mrs T actually did, and don't just listen to the hype. Despite the fact she is totally insane.
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Im more concerned by the fact that a traitor, who killed the king, desolved parliament and turned the country into a fundamentalist dictatorship is in.
Had The Stuarts won the civil war, then I'd wager the world we would live in now would be a lot darker.

After Cromwell won, never again would royal despotism flourish in Britain, and we were the better for it.

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Oliver Cromwell did nothing good. Unless civil wars are "good".
Hint: Oliver Cromwell didn't cause The Civil war.

Hint: King Charles I was an ********, and the situation could have been completely avoided were he not such one. He essentially caused the second civil war just by being a duplicitous twat.

See also Nicholas II of Russia, Louis XIV etc for other such monarchical gits.
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People who discredit Bono as the greatest Britain: do you see as music just something silly people waste their time with? I see why you might think one scientist was "great" but honestly modern technology has failed to help humanity.
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Bono ?

Bono ?

fs dumb arse Sun readers shouldnt be allowed to vote for ANYTHING !

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Also, why are these peonic pop stars in the list, but no Led Zeppelin? They influenced nearly every half decent band after the 70s.
could have been worse, Morrisey could have been in the list

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14 King Alfred the Great - BBCi History
15 Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington - BBCi History
16 Margaret Thatcher (Baroness Thatcher) - BBC News
17 Michael Crawford - BBC News
18 Queen Victoria - BBCi History
19 Sir Paul McCartney - BBC News
20 Sir Alexander Fleming - BBCi History
21 Alan Turing OBE - BBC News
22 Michael Faraday - BBCi History
23 Owain Glyndwr - BBCi History
24 Queen Elizabeth II - BBC News
25 Professor Stephen Hawking - BBCi Science
26 William Tyndale - BBCi Books
27 Emmeline Pankhurst - BBCi History
28 William Wilberforce - BBCi History
29 David Bowie - BBCi Music
30 Guy Fawkes - BBCi History
31 Leonard Cheshire (Baron Cheshire of Woodall) - BBCi H2G2
32 Eric Morecambe OBE - BBCi Cult
33 David Beckham - BBC Sport
34 Thomas Paine - BBCi History
35 Boudicca - BBCi History
36 Sir Steve Redgrave - BBC Sport
37 Sir Thomas More - BBCi History
38 William Blake - BBCi History
39 John Harrison - BBC News
40 King Henry VIII - BBCi History
41 Charles ****ens - BBCi Books
42 Sir Frank Whittle - BBCi History
43 John Peel - BBC Radio 1
44 John Logie Baird - BBCi History
45 Aneurin Bevan - BBCi History
46 Boy George - BBC Music
47 Sir Douglas Bader - BBC Radio 4
48 William Wallace - BBCi History
49 Sir Francis Drake - BBCi History
50 John Wesley - External: John Wesley Online Exhibition
51 King Arthur - BBCi Religion
52 Florence Nightingale - BBCi History
53 TE Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) - BBC News
54 Captain Robert Falcon Scott - BBCi History
55 Enoch Powell - BBC News
56 Sir Cliff Richard - BBC News
57 Sir Alexander Graham Bell - BBCi History
58 Freddie Mercury - BBC News
59 Dame Julie Andrews - BBCi Films
60 Edward Elgar - BBCi Music
61 Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother - BBC News
62 George Harrison - BBC News
63 Sir David Attenborough - BBCi Nature
64 James Connolly - BBCi History
65 George Stephenson - BBCi History
66 Sir Charles (Charlie) Chaplin - BBC News
67 Tony Blair - BBC News
68 William Caxton - BBCi History
69 Bobby Moore OBE - BBC Sport
70 Jane Austen - BBCi Books
71 William Booth - BBC Nottingham
72 King Henry V - BBCi History
73 Aleister Crowley - External: Biography.Com
74 King Robert the Bruce - BBCi History
75 Bob Geldof KBE - BBC News
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77 Robbie Williams - BBC Radio 1
78 Edward Jenner - BBCi History
79 David Lloyd George (1st Earl Lloyd George of Dwyfor ) - BBCi History
80 Charles Babbage - BBCi History
81 Geoffrey Chaucer - BBCi Books
82 King Richard III - BBCi History
83 JK Rowling OBE - BBC News
84 James Watt - BBCi History
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86 Bono - BBC Radio 1
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88 Field Marshal Montgomery - BBC News
89 Donald Campbell - BBC News
90 King Henry II - BBCi History
91 James Clerk Maxwell - BBC News
92 JRR Tolkien - BBCi Books
93 Sir Walter Raleigh - BBCi History
94 King Edward I - BBCi History
95 Sir Barnes Neville Wallis - BBCi History
96 Richard Burton - BBC Wales
97 Tony Benn - BBC News
98 David Livingstone - BBC World Service
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55 Enoch Powell
What did Enoch Powell actually do, apart from completely mess up his career and become a symbolic hero of the far right?
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What did Enoch Powell actually do, apart from completely mess up his career and become a symbolic hero of the far right?
exactly

I find it funny that the furthest right politician ever in this country is "greater" than Tony Blair.
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exactly

I find it funny that the furthest right politician ever in this country is "greater" than Tony Blair.
I find it disturbing

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I find it funny that the furthest right politician ever in this country is
I'm sure there are/were people further right than him. Mosley springs to mind.

In fact, I'm surprised Mosley isn't on the list. To be honest, I'm surprised Stalin isn't on the list, considering some of the people that are.
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I've just noticed that James Connolly is on that list. Isn't he the generic Irish anti-Britain?
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Yes, Beckham is clearly > Boudicca.

I mean, she only beat the Italians at home, whereas look at all that Beckham's done.
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And how on Earth did Brunel get to first in the votes? Come to think of it, his inclusion in the top ten is somewhat suspiscious, also.
Do you have any idea what Brunel did for britain, off to google with you

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Brunel built modern Britain, and Britain built the world, which means that Brunel built the modern world. And that makes him a pretty damned great Briton in my book
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Is my personal #1 as he/she/it represents the truely great people of Britain, i.e. the unknown heros, the people in everyday life that went out of their way for their fellow country men (a concept that GD may find unsettling) - It isnt some hippy notion about not having winners and losers, its just an opinion which is just as valid as anybody elses.

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When diana died i never really cared. she didnt do anything *that* special. I could kiss an aids victim fs.
But did you? At a time when aids was considered to be 1 step away from leprosy, what she did was bring the truth into sheeples homes. I dont agree with Diana being in the top 100 left alone the top 10 but your argument is puerile

IMHO Diana (and lennon) being in the top ten, embodies what John Peel said in the orginal BBC program - "Death is the ultimate PR tool"
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What exactly did she do, apart from throw up, do 'charitable' things every celebrity does and then die horribly?

Come on, compared to people like Isaac Newton and Winston Churchill she is nothing.
David Stirling should be on there founder of the gratest fighting force the world has ever seen
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i would admit that Diana did not do anything spectacular, but she captured Britians hearts for a time. That is something little forgotten. You could include the likes of Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother or King George IV. People forget others such as Field Marshal Montgomory or possably General Lord Wellington.

Isabad Kingdom Brunell does deserve to be in the to 20 but not the top ten. He was an acomplished engineer, nothing more.
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Isabad Kingdom Brunell does deserve to be in the to 20 but not the top ten. He was an acomplished engineer, nothing more.
Brunel was killed in an accident when the driver of his expensive german build horse drawn carriage got slightly tipsy on some sherry and crashed into a fence in Paris and therefore deserves his top 10 place. If he had shagged the son of a crooked lying Egyptian then he would be top 5, no messin

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I'vs had this conversation with my wife, we are both in agreement that Diana's place on this list is more to do with presence than any actual greatness.

She think the greatest is Darwin, whereas I believe its Cromwell.

And pls dont bash ole Ironsides unless you actually know anythinng about the man and what he stood for. Fair enough he was a hard man but it was hard times.

Tony Benn is probably one of my idols where politics comes into question, although i dont agree with his socialism.

I am also profoundly disturbed that Benjamin Desraeli is nowhere to be seen. FS doesnt anybody know what he actually did?

Other than that our mathematicians have been given short shrift in this poll. Who can tell me the name of the BRITISH guy who worked number theory to make your e-mail secure?
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I think whats really going on is that you are all unwilling to admit that you didn't realize that Diana was (is?) the greatest Brit ever.

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What exactly did she do, apart from throw up, do 'charitable' things every celebrity does and then die horribly?

Come on, compared to people like Isaac Newton and Winston Churchill she is nothing.
It says more about the general UK people than about England's Graetness.


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How the hell is a genocial maniac (Cromwell) in the top 10?
The fk laid waste to hundreds of towns and villages in england,ireland scotland and wales.Slaughtered thousands because they were catholic,banned catholicism and introduced a tyrannical reign.

That qualifies him HOW!?
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That doesnt.

Other things that he did do.

Remember this is basically 'greatest englishman ever*'

Way to see both sides of the argument though \o/


*No point denying it, is there?
Have you counted how many Scots are in the top 100? Surpriseingly many.
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If you are not from britain, or even if you are but dont concern yourself with this issue.

Greatest Briton. It's a TV show on BBC. I have but one argument with it. In my view a truly Great Briton would contribute to such things that matter in every day life, such as technology, radical ideas such as the sewer systems by Brunel. The man himself Issac Newton, probably my personal favourite, who contributed what must be the biggest influence on mathematical theories ever, and to this day we rely on them fully.

But one person who appears in the shortlist for top ten is Princess Diana. I am positively sure if she was still alive she wouldnt have made the top ten at all. The case put forward for her to be voted #1 was that she was a great "humanitarian". This she may have been but the only thing that seperated her from those that are truly and more deservedly great humanitarians is that she was famous, and you could say, almost had a duty to do what she did. I have no grudge against Diana as she was a truly great person in the public eye. But it does beg the question "how?"

How can she be rated above people who have made civilisation what it is today, whose life works are much needed to this day and will be used for the foreseeable future and probabaly, beyond.
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We already agreed that it was a stupid stupid idea, and that the public are idiots.

http://pirate.planetarion.com/forum/...ighlight=diana

A better list would be "Top 5 Britons who didnt make the official top 100".
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I thought it was Sir Joseph Bazelgete who came up with the sewer system in Britain.
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Alan Turing should be in the top10. Since he's the father of modern computer.
strictly speaking, Charles Babbage came up with the idea of the modern computer about 100 years before Turing. It was only the lame manufacturing techniques of the time that prevented him from realising his goals.

Isaac Newton was just a chief at so many things, revolutionised science, and many of his ideas are still in place today, hundreds of years later.
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