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Unread 3 Sep 2006, 00:26   #1
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What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

I prefer the slurpee so i get a suga high.....then i go CraZZZZZZZy!!!!!!

Especially online against all the NooBs!!!!...hahahaha "die noob die!!!!!"
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

I like to ban users while I'm gamming. My tipple of choice at present? Orange squash.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

Why did you ban him?

He hadn't broken any rules.
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i miss him already.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

My guess would be that it's likely a gimmick account... or a spammer.

But, the thread topic is interesting

I prefer baileys straight up oddly enough. Throw some milk in for taste perhaps.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

[01:09:26] (TomKat): furball why did you ban that user?
[01:10:41] (KoeN): yes :[
[01:11:37] (furball): it was an advertiser
[01:11:47] (furball): or at least was going to be one
[01:11:57] (KoeN): unban plz :[
[01:14:33] (furball): it's obviously a spammer
[01:14:42] (KoeN): hm ok :[
[01:14:47] (furball): i'm not unbanning when someone comes along fitting all of the characteristics of a spammer
[01:15:27] (TomKat): er
[01:15:28] (furball): and you only want him unbanned so you can flame him off GD anyway
[01:15:30] (TomKat): he didnt advertise anything
[01:15:48] (furball): spammer doesn't equal advertising
[01:15:48] (TomKat): and i'm pretty sure one post isnt spamming
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

mods still haven't learnt to stick to their own forums
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

much to learn, you still have.</yoda>
I agree with furball, its an advertising account. Only a matter of time before it spammed urls
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

Gamming apparently means attending a social gathering of seafarers/whalers at sea, so I expect the only drinks available would be rum and semen.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

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Gamming apparently means attending a social gathering of seafarers/whalers at sea, so I expect the only drinks available would be rum and semen.
Don't forget the abundance of salt water!
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

Since you decided to cut off my reply...

[01:16] (furball) usually they'll come back to the thread later on and start posting about all of the wonderful drinks they like
[01:17] (furball) not all of them just turn up and start posting links
[01:17] (furball) we've just only had the stupid kind for the last few months


Some spammers come along and just post a thread of links and keywords. They are the most common.

Others attempt to start topics for discussion and then come back to the thread later on to start raving about how wonderful (in this case) their drink of choice is. I guarantee you that this guy was one of the latter.


I'm not unbanning him, no matter how much certain posters want to "beat the system" and "get one-up on the mods". You have a discussion topic now, feel free to post on it despite it having been done to death before.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

Can I delete this now?
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Can I delete this now?
Given that a separate debate has emerged, I think it would be wise to leave it here.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

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Since you decided to cut off my reply...
Actually I made my post before you replied.



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Others attempt to start topics for discussion and then come back to the thread later on to start raving about how wonderful (in this case) their drink of choice is. I guarantee you that this guy was one of the latter.
So? It might make an interesting discussion (extremely doubtful in this case, but still) or one might branch off from it.

Even if it was, it's hardly like he'd RUIN the forums by doing it, is it?



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I'm not unbanning him, no matter how much certain posters want to "beat the system" and "get one-up on the mods". You have a discussion topic now, feel free to post on it despite it having been done to death before.
It's not about us "beating the system". It's about you making a shit decision.

Firstly you're a mod for AR (and temporarily for AD, because the workload is too much for lok apparently). Not GD.
Secondly he hadn't broken any rules.
Thirdly even if he had, is it cause for a ban? If I advertised a product on these forums would I be banned too?
Fourthly it's hardly encouraging for new posters is it? For all we know he might just be a new poster who's a bit shit at making threads. No wonder the number of posts on GD is in decline.



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Can I delete this now?
I hope this is one of those "I'm going to be funny in an ironic way" posts.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

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I hope this is one of those "I'm going to be funny in an ironic way" posts.
I was trying
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It's not about us "beating the system". It's about you making a shit decision.

Firstly you're a mod for AR (and temporarily for AD, because the workload is too much for lok apparently). Not GD.
Secondly he hadn't broken any rules.
Thirdly even if he had, is it cause for a ban? If I advertised a product on these forums would I be banned too?
Fourthly it's hardly encouraging for new posters is it? For all we know he might just be a new poster who's a bit shit at making threads. No wonder the number of posts on GD is in decline.
It's 1.30am. There are no other mods online. I'm not even sure why I'm online myself.


A mod is a mod, perhaps with the exception of the RP mods who do keep to themselves. If we see spamming or advertising, we get rid of it to the best of our abilities and ban the user responsible - in particular where it's by a user who has just registered (which is a very common feature). It doesn't matter where I mod to be honest, experience comes with time spent in the post, the forum itself rarely matters so much (except the Strategy forum and the Helpdesk). AR itself has to be intensively modded to keep it easily accessible for newbies.

Telling me that the guy's broken no rules is a clear sign of desperation, since those rules were written in 2002 before advertising in this way became common. Finally, Clause 1.

As for new posters, those with a shred of intelligence (which many new posters to GD have) will see that this guy was banned for the reasons that I've stated. If you're suddenly concerned about GD declining then perhaps, just perhaps, the treatment of cross-over posters from PD and AD should be given a higher priority than spammers who are a little more compentent than the usual bunch.
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AR itself has to be intensively modded to keep it easily accessible for newbies.
Right. GD doesn't. So applying your AR rules to GD isn't very sensible.



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Telling me that the guy's broken no rules is a clear sign of desperation, since those rules were written in 2002 before advertising in this way became common. Finally, Clause 1.
A Moderator is free to close/edit/remove/move any thread he/she wants.

It doesn't say anything about banning users. Oh except that in 90% of cases the user receives a warning before a ban. I'm willing to bet you didn't warn him, did you?




What you're doing is no better than what Marv did. In fact, in a lot of ways it's worse. Marv at least had a complaint. s|k also broke the rules. s|k was also only banned for a week, and (I believe) was warned.

There are GD mods for a reason. You were recruited as an AR mod, to moderate a forum noone else really wants to. Using it as some sort of backdoor to become a GD moderator isn't what it's for.

Sorry if I'm being a bit anal about this but I'd have thought that especially given the recent forum drama that you'd have realise people don't like this forum being over-moderated
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

Actually the situations arent comparable.
marv has no modding experiance of any significance - furball does.
Therefore furball is far more qualified then marv, or you for that matter to judge on these matters.

To me it sounds like you're just jumping on the bandwagon - any excuse to stick it to the mods etc.
cmon tomkat, you're better then that
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To me it sounds like you're just jumping on the bandwagon - any excuse to stick it to the mods etc.
cmon tomkat, you're better then that
Actually I support Marv in his decision to ban s|k (it was only a week, and s|k himself said he deserved it) and if you read that thread you'll notice I didn't "jump on the bandwagon" once but ok

So if someone is a mod and they ban someone it is ok but if they're PA team and they ban someone it isn't?

Even though without planetarion these forums wouldn't exist?

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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

yes. Mods have the experiance necessary to judge properly. Pateam to be frank dont.
In the same way, mh have the experiance necessary to close a planet and the support team dont.

If planetarion suddenly disappeared, gd would simply move elsewhere. Its here for conveniance and historical reasons - not because pa is needed.
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yes. Mods have the experiance necessary to judge properly.
If judging properly is "he's a new user and he's made a crap thread so therefore he must be an advertising gimmick/spammer so I'll ban him permanently" then maybe we should rethink who the mods are
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If judging properly is "he's a new user and he's made a crap thread so therefore he must be an advertising gimmick/spammer so I'll ban him permanently" then maybe we should rethink who the mods are
I see you are still ignoring logic and reason in order to further advance your crusade against the mods
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

This is the first time that I can recall in which I've "crusaded against the mods".

In most decisions they make I agree with them, or at the very most am apathetic. Even if it comes to telling me off for posts I make.

So I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to.
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I thought this looked familiar.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

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Right. GD doesn't. So applying your AR rules to GD isn't very sensible.
I didn't say that the AR rules applied to GD. I used AR as an example because modding decisions have to be taken frequently there, probably at the same level as PD/Suggestions despite a lower turnover of posts.

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A Moderator is free to close/edit/remove/move any thread he/she wants.

It doesn't say anything about banning users. Oh except that in 90% of cases the user receives a warning before a ban. I'm willing to bet you didn't warn him, did you?
Of course I didn't. Would you warn a forum spammer and wait for him to defend himself before banning him?

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What you're doing is no better than what Marv did. In fact, in a lot of ways it's worse. Marv at least had a complaint. s|k also broke the rules. s|k was also only banned for a week, and (I believe) was warned.

There are GD mods for a reason. You were recruited as an AR mod, to moderate a forum noone else really wants to. Using it as some sort of backdoor to become a GD moderator isn't what it's for.

Sorry if I'm being a bit anal about this but I'd have thought that especially given the recent forum drama that you'd have realise people don't like this forum being over-moderated
Just get off your high horse pretending that you know anything about how to mod a forum.

For starters, modding is a proactive job, not a reactive one. This means that if you see something that needs to be modded, you do so. You don't see it, then hang around hope that someone's going to use the report post function so that you can do something about it.

Mods have different forums in order to specialise. We could all be super-mods without being attached to particular forums, but this wouldn't work as well. For example, a key poster on the Programming forums wouldn't usually be as useful on PD - e.g. megla. You will observe that mods are generally given forums that suit them best - T&F is solely a GD poster, Ultimate Newbie is heavily involved with Strategy and lokken is an important AD figure.

Since most of the mods aren't super-mods and can't mod particular threads on every forum, all they can do is react to spamming and advertising by banning the user involved. If it was a regular poster who they thought was spamming, it is unlikely that they would take action unless it was at Shai Gar levels. And as I said before, we only intervene where a new user is advertising/spamming. Please try to get this into your head.

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If judging properly is "he's a new user and he's made a crap thread so therefore he must be an advertising gimmick/spammer so I'll ban him permanently" then maybe we should rethink who the mods are
TOMKAT FOR MOD!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, do you actually have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to modding these forums?


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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

Any user who has a commercial product as part of his name should be banned on sight.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

I agree with Tomkat, it was hardly an 'emergency' situation, it was a single post, and so why could it not have been left until a rule was actually broken?
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

Bah, even if he wasn't going to advertise, I'd vote for banning him. Just look at what he bloody wrote! *shudder*
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

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I agree with Tomkat, it was hardly an 'emergency' situation, it was a single post, and so why could it not have been left until a rule was actually broken?
Read through the thread. Comprehend. Then pull your head out of your arse and try posting properly - at least Tom read my posts and replied to them rather than just fagging up this thread.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

He should have been banned under Clause 11.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

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Just get off your high horse pretending that you know anything about how to mod a forum.
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Seriously, do you actually have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to modding these forums?
Since you mentioned it, I used to be a supermod at http://forums.student.com/ before I grew out of it and got tired/bored. I've been there, done that and got the T-shirt. I think you'll see if you look at some of the crap in there it's slightly tougher than moderating these boards

So I do have an idea about what I'm talking about.


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And as I said before, we only intervene where a new user is advertising/spamming. Please try to get this into your head.
He didn't do either. So why did you intervene?


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Don't try to turn this around. You made a shit decision. You should admit it instead of trying to make me out to be the bad guy for pointing it out.


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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

To me it looks like a spam/bot account designed for shit purposes - even if he didn't break the rules, he's got the 'feeling' of a spamming/bot account all over. If it is genuine, he can go and get it overturned, but I doubt that will happen. It's a pretty obvious ban and one I'd have probably dished out. I have always banned accounts like this on GD, because it's simply being helpful as often there aren't other mods around to deal with it. furball, likewise is being helpful. No mod has ever objected to this, because it's just common sense.

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I thought this looked familiar.
Oh look, common sense won. Advertising/spam is one thing any mod is qualified to deal with. I wouldn't object to someone banning such a user on my forum, why would I want clutter on my forum? What i wouldn't do is ban someone for doing something beyond advertising/spamming as that's for the mods of that forum to decide.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

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I thought this looked familiar
Oh look, common sense won. Advertising/spam is one thing any mod is qualified to deal with.

He didn't advertise or spam that other forum.

He also wasn't banned.

A discussion (albeit a bit of a crap one) also stemmed from his first post.


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I wouldn't object to someone banning such a user on my forum, why would I want clutter on my forum?
I don't think GD has any danger of being "cluttered"
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What you're doing is no better than what Marv did. In fact, in a lot of ways it's worse. Marv at least had a complaint. s|k also broke the rules. s|k was also only banned for a week, and (I believe) was warned.
Correct. Just baning someone because he signed up and made 1 post doesn't really constitue spamming :s

And were in clause 1 does it say about banning again?

At least when I did it I acted on a compmplaint -and- tried to resove it by a simple edit / warn. I only banned when these attempts failed.

Personally I can't see what he's done wrong, this is 'General Discussion' why should he get banned for just posting asking what his favorite drink to game with is?

tbh you can't flame me for what I did then go do this yourself furball.

Double Standards for the loose.
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He didn't advertise or spam that other forum.

He also wasn't banned.

A discussion (albeit a bit of a crap one) also stemmed from his first post.
Which part of spam/bot account in my post did you not understand? These are obvious things to remove from any well run forum. They should not be contraversial in any manner whatsoever.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

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Which part of spam/bot account in my post did you not understand? These are obvious things to remove from any well run forum. They should not be contraversial in any manner whatsoever.
Maybe we should convict all would-be criminals based on "hunches" and "oh they had the feeling of a criminal all over" too?
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

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Maybe we should convict all would-be criminals based on "hunches" and "oh they had the feeling of a criminal all over" too?
Maybe we should distinguish between the internet and reality.
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so nod, have you had a chance to listen to the new decemberists yet?
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

This thread seems like a success to me
A few more ad/spambots and this whole forum will come to life
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dunno while gaming, soda? I usually only play flash games though :-/. but while at a bar i'll prefer a white russian.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

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Correct. Just baning someone because he signed up and made 1 post doesn't really constitue spamming :s

And were in clause 1 does it say about banning again?

At least when I did it I acted on a compmplaint -and- tried to resove it by a simple edit / warn. I only banned when these attempts failed.

Personally I can't see what he's done wrong, this is 'General Discussion' why should he get banned for just posting asking what his favorite drink to game with is?

tbh you can't flame me for what I did then go do this yourself furball.

Double Standards for the loose.
He was spamming. We've seen this before, many a time. this exact strategy. Last time it was chocolate milk.

the thread should be been deleted (or at least locked) and the user banned. If this is not in the rules then it should be.

the only issue I can see here is if it was Furball's position to make the call and ban the user. Whilst I do not believe it was, his actions were correct. there must be a certain flexibility in the rules to avoid becoming too bureaucratic. this clearly being spam on a users first post, I'm not too fussed over who bans the user. Seeing as Furball is a regular visitor to GD he has the relative knowledge (I would hope) to make the correct decision.

the problem comes when action is taken when there are other mods for GD online or when action is taken against users who have been here for a while. For example, if Furball had banned one of the old guys who have returned then the situation would have been different. But this is a very simple case and was dealt with in an appropriate manner.

As long as cross-board modding goes no further than this then everything should be fine.
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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

Tomkat do be quiet. He was spamming in his sig and furball was perfectly right to ban him
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Tomkat do be quiet. He was spamming in his sig and furball was perfectly right to ban him
Disagree.

We need a poll - do you side with Tomkat or furball or do you not give a toss?
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I was trying :p

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Re: What Do You Like Drink While Gamming?

if he hasnt broken any rules then i dont see why furball had any right to ban him. Furball should have deleted the thread and sent him a warning about the standard of thread he made without taking the step of perm banning him.

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hit the nail on the head with this post TK
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"7th in the 2006 'Mr Netgamers' competition"

You cannot be ironic enough for this not to be gay.
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"7th in the 2006 'Mr Netgamers' competition"

You cannot be ironic enough for this not to be gay.
Don't be bitter Dace, just because you were thrown off the judging panel for Little Miss Netgamer. That wasn't my fault, I just suggested that a offering yourself as 1st prize might be something of a disappointment.
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